Values dying ?

[Iconoclasm]

I'm from Modesto, CA and moral, manners, work ethic, values, and several other things are decreasing dramatically (including the amount of people who speak English). I'm hoping this is only local. You see, I used to live in the south and people respected each other, that was about 5 years ago, and I'm hoping my hometown hasn't changed as much as it has here. I want to know what it's like in your neighborhood, I'm starting to look into moving away from this shit hole.

P.S. To anyone who thinks California is a cool place to live you're thinking of bay area, anywhere else is ridiculously annoying, EX. yesterday some asshole was speaking Spanish to me, then I used what little Spanish I know to tell him I don't under stand him, then he told me I should learn, then spit in my direction. HE SHOULD LEARN ENGLISH RIGHT!!!!

Murder, rape, robberies, domestic abuse, and disease are becoming more common. Laws are being made so children cannot be disciplined correctly. Things just aren't right. So is chilvery dead where you're from?

Edit: sorry, I didn't realize how "white-trash" I sounded, I have nothing against any other race, but simply if everyone spoke a different language, nothing would get done. That was rather a bad example, but I was trying to give an example of lack of respect, I had no sort of attitude with the guy and he took offends to me not speaking that language , and I'm not trying to stereo type Hispanics. That guy individually is a jerk though, who had no respect.

You should define what you mean by 'values.'

What I think you're saying is that there is a certain 'good' that is being overlooked in modernity. While this may be true, keep in mind also that the population is rising as well. So it may seem that the vast majority of humanity is some strange and unwashed scum ripe for the purging, this may be solely because there are so many ways to hear about the ills of the world in our modern age. It may be the case that morality is giving way to Liberalism (that's capital 'L' Liberalism - not the liberalism of the liberal parties - Democrat or whatnot -but rather that there is no intrinsic 'good' to certain actions, since we are 'free' to do many things and what we choose to do should not be judged ill should it not interfere with another person's 'good.'), but there are still those who uphold a certain 'goodness' of themselves, though it may not coincide with your own.

If I were you, I'd start by defining what you think your (proper) ethics are and where these other people are falling short. Keep in mind, also, that the 'American dream' of the pursuit of happiness does not detail the pursuit itself (the Liberalism again) and thus many are keen to finding their own path that may be contrary to your own.

tl;dr - Define what you mean by 'good' while keeping in mind that the constitution of your nation states that there is no right 'goodness' and all are free to pursue *a* 'good' that they see fit.

 

[ultrachicken]

YOUR values may be dying, but new values are appearing. There's no such thing as values dying.
Also, crime has been common all through out history. It is no more common than it has ever been.

That spanish speaking guy was a dick, by the way.

 

[likalaruku]

I had a very old jr. high social studies teacher that taught us that things like etiquate, "the good old days," values, morals, manners & such are all BS myths we force upon eachother for self comfort. He used to go on ammusing rants about how growing up in the 50s wasn;t anything like what they showed on TV.

 

[oppp7]

Looking at this website it's easy to make that mistake. The high volume of atheists means that just about every topic about morals has someone going in and saying things like "people who are irritating should die" or "it's every man for himself."
But it's not like that. The world seems to be getting better, and with that normally comes higher morals. It's not the poor and starving that go out and donate to charities or help other people; it's the middle class.

 

[TheZapper]

I looked at the title of this thread and the words 'Daily Mail' immediately sprang to mind.

 

[Kiefer13]

Looking at this website it's easy to make that mistake. The high volume of atheists means that just about every topic about morals has someone going in and saying things like "people who are irritating should die" or "it's every man for himself."

I take issue with the fact that you seem to be saying here that atheists are more likely to be immoral.

 

[Charli]

Every generation says the same thing. Morals are fading blah blah.

Yeah you had a run in with a jerk. Life goes on.

The real change is we have more communication than ever before, we're more aware of things that go on than ever before, humanity is really no more depraved than it ever was.

 

[Doug]

I'm from Modesto, CA and moral, manners, work ethic, values, and several other things are decreasing dramatically (including the amount of people who speak English).

And now you just shoot yourself in the foot because of the English comment. People living in England can get away with it because we didn't mass murder the natives and steal their land. Or rather, if we did, it was so long ago that no-one really remembers it.

Edit: sorry, I didn't realize how "white-trash" I sounded, I have nothing against any other race, but simply if everyone spoke a different language, nothing would get done. That was rather a bad example, but I was trying to give an example of lack of respect, I had no sort of attitude with the guy and he took offends to me not speaking that language , and I'm not trying to stereo type Hispanics. That guy individually is a jerk though, who had no respect.

Fair enough. The guy does sound like a major arsehole.

 

[Doug]

Looking at this website it's easy to make that mistake. The high volume of atheists means that just about every topic about morals has someone going in and saying things like "people who are irritating should die" or "it's every man for himself."

I take issue with the fact that you seem to be saying here that atheists are more likely to be immoral.

Agreed. Though you are less moral than us go old fashioned agnoists.....

Yes, I was joking

 

[oppp7]

Looking at this website it's easy to make that mistake. The high volume of atheists means that just about every topic about morals has someone going in and saying things like "people who are irritating should die" or "it's every man for himself."

I take issue with the fact that you seem to be saying here that atheists are more likely to be immoral.

I figured someone would say that(actually, why didn't I change it then?).
It's not really atheists, but certain ones on this website. Like the page about your religion/attitude towards life. Everyone I saw that said they were atheist said they have a pessimistic outlook. And whenever I go onto threads about whether charity is good or we should help other people they normally say it's pointless and, as I said, every man for himself.
I know that not all atheists are like this, but from what I've seen a lot of them are.

 

[Kiefer13]

Looking at this website it's easy to make that mistake. The high volume of atheists means that just about every topic about morals has someone going in and saying things like "people who are irritating should die" or "it's every man for himself."

I take issue with the fact that you seem to be saying here that atheists are more likely to be immoral.

I figured someone would say that(actually, why didn't I change it then?).
It's not really atheists, but certain ones on this website. Like the page about your religion/attitude towards life. Everyone I saw that said they were atheist said they have a pessimistic outlook. And whenever I go onto threads about whether charity is good or we should help other people they normally say it's pointless and, as I said, every man for himself.
I know that not all atheists are like this, but from what I've seen a lot of them are.

Maybe so. Maybe a lot of atheists are like that. But not because they're atheists. They're like that because a lot of people are like that. But not all of them. Not even most of them. Just a vocal minority giving everybody else a bad name. It's like that with a lot of things.

Doesn't make it alright to generalise. I'm an atheist, and I would like to say I have a generally positive outlook towards life (with a healthy dose of cynicism, of course). I also don't think charity is pointless at all, and "every man for himself" is a terrible attitude to take.

 

[Aerodyamic]

I would say moral decay has more to do with hypocrites in general; I'll use Senator McGreevy as an example.

Otherwise, I find that the various subcultures that have emigrated to my part of Canada tend to be more morally-upstanding and possessed of greater work ethic that most people that are the product of several generations here. I like their cultures, they're friendly people that want to join the culture they've joined, and they have a whole crapload of unique things that they bring with them from their home country.

I'm not going to get into a big sociological discussion, but many of the supposed 'ethnic criminal groups' in N.Am are only painted with that brush because they've been marginalized for so fucking long. I think it's funny that there was a big deal about the new Supreme Court justice, because she'd come from hard-scrabble roots, but nobody seems to remember that Bill Clinton wasn't from a really rich family, either. I think they both did amazing things to get to where they are, he just did dumber things once he got there.

 

[s0p0g]

well, i don't think it does sound racist or anything - if you live in a country x and the language officials spoken there is y, then, if you (want to) live there, you, by all means, should learn to speak y - and not tell the people living there to learn your mothertongue.

what youo said about vlaues a.s.o. ... well, it's not like foreigners and immigrants don't have those. the problems you describe have a source different from those peoples' origin, they only have a heavy impact there. poor guys.

that's something not only to be observed in the us, but other couontries as well.

oh and while we're at it, sorry for whatever mistakes in grammar spelling or whatsoever you may find, but english isn't my native language - why don't you all learn german?! open your minds blabla and what else Nibbles said in his first post.
()no, that was NOT serious)

cheers!

 

[Sexual Harassment Panda]

They're shifting, very possibly for the better. Maybe you should open a history book and realise that the past really isn't worth glorifying.

 

[Woodsey]

You're melodramatic.

 

[vampirekid.13]

P.S. To anyone who thinks California is a cool place to live you're thinking of bay area, anywhere else is ridiculously annoying, EX. yesterday some asshole was speaking Spanish to me, then I used what little Spanish I know to tell him I don't under stand him, then he told me I should learn, then spit in my direction. HE SHOULD LEARN ENGLISH RIGHT!!!!

im a big fan of taking all non english speaking immigrants and throwing them back to whatever country they belong to.


seriously. im an immigrant myself, from a 3rd world country non the less. i still learned english before moving here, and dont feed me bullshit about how some people dont have the chance to because of their economic situation because if i could do it in romania easily, some other asshole can do it from another country.


you dont speak english GTFO.

 

[Daystar Clarion]

They're shifting, very possibly for the better. Maybe you should open a history book and realise that the past really isn't worth glorifying.

What are you talking about? The old days were great! Racism, homophobia, capital punishment, and of course, the Nazis! Good times.

 

[AcacianLeaves]

Obviously you're going to get flamed for this, but you really need to understand why this upsets people. Your post came off as bad enough that I half think we're being trolled.

I'm from Modesto, CA and moral, manners, work ethic, values, and several other things are decreasing dramatically

First of all, whose values? Whose morals? Whose manners? The ones you learned growing up may be very different from people from another culture. There is no universally accepted 'good manners', and there are very few things that are universally moral or ethical.

This reminds me of the 2004 US election, which George Bush won largely based on 'values voters'. This did not mean people that voted with a basic idea of human decency, this was specifically referring to a group of people who did not want equal rights for homosexuals and who thought abortions were evil. It implied that people who voted for Kerry didn't have any values, which is entirely asinine. There are many different ideas as to what is moral or ethical, and most of philosophy and politics is about arguing over which is correct.

(including the amount of people who speak English).
P.S. To anyone who thinks California is a cool place to live you're thinking of bay area, anywhere else is ridiculously annoying, EX. yesterday some asshole was speaking Spanish to me, then I used what little Spanish I know to tell him I don't under stand him, then he told me I should learn, then spit in my direction. HE SHOULD LEARN ENGLISH RIGHT!!!!

The amount of people who speak English is NOT in decline. The only thing that is changing is more people are entering the country who speak Spanish, most of whom are also fluent in (or learning) English. If someone was offended that you didn't speak Spanish, that's ridiculous. But it's even more ridiculous to counter that with being offended at people who don't speak English. The world is becoming much more international, and English is not the most commonly spoken language. There are actually more native Spanish speakers in the world than English speakers, so if anything we should be happy to learn Spanish and have so many people to speak it to. There is no disadvantage to being bilingual.

I'm hoping this is only local. You see, I used to live in the south and people respected each other, that was about 5 years ago, and I'm hoping my hometown hasn't changed as much as it has here. I want to know what it's like in your neighborhood, I'm starting to look into moving away from this shit hole.

The world is changing, borders are becoming less important and people who lived on the fringes of society are now starting to feel as if it were safe to come out. Some may wish we could go back to a society where such people (minorities, the poor, the homeless) could be swept under the rug and ignored, but it's just not possible any more. It should never have been possible.

Murder, rape, robberies, domestic abuse, and disease are becoming more common.

Those things are actually becoming LESS common, it's just easier to read about them now.

Laws are being made so children cannot be disciplined correctly.

Yes, how dare we enact laws against child abuse?! Perhaps your statement would read more reasonably if you defined what 'correctly' means, exactly.

 

[Dys]

In general people seem to get better, in terms of morals. Western society is slowly but surely moving away from the absurdities of old, we don't burn witches or outcast unmarried, pregnant family members (usually). If anything, we are heading down the track of over the top political correctness, with any and everyone taking offence whenever possible.

Perhaps it's true that some values are dying, institutions like the church seem to have less influence as time goes on, however I don't see that as a bad thing, so...

Essentially, California isn't in the most stable economic climate, when I was there recently I learned that some 30-40% of the states economy is based on illegal drug trade (weed). While illegal immigrants probably play a role, this trend is evidence of the seemingly obvious trend of desperate people ignoring the laws, the recession seems to have hit far harder in the land of the Americans than it did down under. As soon as drugs, prostitution and whatever else become necessary for one to maintain a comfortable life, people become secluded from mainstream society. Drugs, sex and cheating are not new, they have prevailed throughout humanities history, it's just more obvious when people are desperate.

I do agree that it's bullshit for someone to migrate to you country (even if it was previously a part of theirs, as is the case with Mexicans in California) and abuse you for not learning their language. It is probably a good idea to learn a bit of Spanish, but major language is still English and people ultimately shouldn't be surprised or offended if that's all you speak.

 

[AcacianLeaves]

Yes, the world is turning to sheed, people can't hit a child for being an obnoxious, annoying ass any more, and people who ***** about "child abuse" are to blame. Beating a child to relieve stress or out of pleasure is wrong, hitting them because they want the newest pokemon game, which you don't have to money for, and won't STFU about it, should be beaten, throughly, in public. When I was 12, I'm eighteen now, my mother punched me, in the face, with all her rings on, in a salon, because I was complaining about how bad it smelled and how I wanted to go home. I got hit and sulked, later she apologized and we all got the funk over it. Kids today are selfish, immature, socially lacking, idiots who complain about everything, videos on youtube show a kid who freaks out because his WoW account gets shut down by his parents, whether he is trollin or not isn't important, what is is the fact that many kids today ACTUALLY act like that, and it is disgraceful to the human race. Holllywood, Christianity, and Bill Cosby have ruined this world.

And they need to stop playing their devil music so loud and get off mah lawn!