Valve Doesn't Hate Origin

[matrix3509]

The fact of the matter is I'm sick and tired of having to sign up a separate account for every goddamn publisher I buy a game for. I'm already signed up to more shit than I can remember, which is a huge security risk for me.

Besides, if EA wants me to buy games through Origin they might actually try to offer me an incentive to do so. Rather than holding some exclusive titles over my head like a fucking 3rd grade bully, how about, you know, actually maybe offering some discounts?

Again. This is different from when Steam released...how?

Is this 2003? Of course it fucking isn't. Your argument is the equivalent of Apple releasing a product on par with an Apple II and having fanboys come out of the woodwork and quack about how all computers were as shitty back in 1977.

 

[DigitalSushi]

TF2 keeps re downloading and stops at 66% if I'm not paying attention to my computer even though I have the orange box.

That's the self updater it does that to everyone, also every new program uses tons of RAM to run, so stop reinstalling it every Tuesday and it'll work

I've gone beyond caring to be honest, It'll sort itself out when I blast registry entries I hope.

I've done this dance with Steam since 2009, I'm bored of this issue.

When all goes well, things are great, when things break they break on a monumental scale, this isn't the PC I originally installed Steam on, I merely had the gall to try again with it.

Don't screw this chance EA.

 

[BarbaricGoose]

This reminds me of that Peter Gabriel song Family Snapshot. "I don't really hate you..." but I'm gonna destroy you.

 

[Catalyst6]

Either way, Newell showed that it's still possible for competitors to evaluate each other's products without sounding like enormous bullies, and that speaks volumes.

Funny how that works. Now if only the people at EA could learn to play nice as well.

 

[Frostbite3789]

The fact of the matter is I'm sick and tired of having to sign up a separate account for every goddamn publisher I buy a game for. I'm already signed up to more shit than I can remember, which is a huge security risk for me.

Besides, if EA wants me to buy games through Origin they might actually try to offer me an incentive to do so. Rather than holding some exclusive titles over my head like a fucking 3rd grade bully, how about, you know, actually maybe offering some discounts?

Again. This is different from when Steam released...how?

Is this 2003? Of course it fucking isn't. Your argument is the equivalent of Apple releasing a product on par with an Apple II and having fanboys come out of the woodwork and quack about how all computers were as shitty back in 1977.

You seem confused. Let me pat you on the head and smile, before I back away slowly.

But I'll ask, why is EA making BF3 require Origin any different than Valve requiring HL2 to require Steam?

I'm not talking about the actual service, I'm talking about how to get people to use it. Nobody used Steam before they were required due to games needing it. To suggest otherwise is lunacy or more bluntly, bullshittting.

 

[Lillowh]

Eh, unlike Steam, Origin is stable and doesn't chow down on CPU and RAM until your computer grinds to a halt and bursts into tears under the insane demands of the system.

Just my 2 cents.

Really? What program are you using? Definitely not Orgin, which with the window closed and running in the backround takes 70-90,000k of memory usage, compared to steam in the backround while running an open chat chat window using voice takes up only 13,000k. Please, give me whatever program you're using because I would like it.

With Origin open, it uses up 60k. With Steam up it was using 70. Which you know...is a pretty damn minimal difference.

So lets stop the dick waving and realize they're pretty much the same.

People bitching non-stop about Origin can feel free to shut the hell up at any time. Because they obviously weren't alive in 2004. If they were, then they didn't play PC games. If they were and did, they're just choosing to have selective memory because it supports their argument.

Really Now?
Then what is the meaning behind this [http://i265.photobucket.com/albums/ii230/Lillowh/Originvssteam.png]? Not enough for you? How about with both programs open [http://i265.photobucket.com/albums/ii230/Lillowh/Originvssteam2.png]? It'd say that's not only a pretty big difference, but contests what you claimed as well. Would you like to post yours?

 

[screwvalve]

It's a smart thing that EA brings their games back to steam. It allows the fat dude to give even more vacation packages to his employees. EA does not want to pay royalties to Valve anymore, why should they? Specially when they can sell 3rd party games too. I'm glad steam is finally getting some real competition. i dont like Newell at all, i think he and his entire "We're your gaming pals." attitude is a big fake, but at least I can see that he's more realistic than some of the majority of the Steam fanboys that dont see any flaws in their precious rental service.

 

[screwvalve]

The only reason origin has 4 mil subscribers is that they are about to release 2 big games that people really want and both require origin. But I don't really see origin becoming as much of a digital distribution storefront as steam has become, sure they will get some 3rd party games on there but I doubt most of the other big publishers are going to be willing to put stuff on origin. Steam has the benefit of being owned by valve and valve isn't really a publisher, so there isn't a conflict of interests with someone like activision putting games on it.

The only reason why people installed Steam in their computers was because there were several games that required it to validate and play. Cant remember its name, it's been that long, that not even Valve remembers it. There was no incentive, no reason to use it, and people hated that ugly installer. But Valve shoved it down everyone's throats, and said "you use this, and you like it." And people eventually did. Don't matter if Origin now is owned by a publisher. GG was owned by Paradox. That wasnt a conflict of interest to 3rd party devs.

 

[screwvalve]

Funny to see that the fat dude is no longer saying that "There's a lot of value in having EA games on Steam, and we need to convince EA about that." Value to his own personal account?

 

[Frostbite3789]

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Done [http://img707.imageshack.us/img707/7803/steamorigin.png]

Steam dropped below Origin this time on my system. By a whopping 4k. Wow. Just...I can see the difference now and why it's totally an issue.

In case you were wondering... /sarcasm

 

[kebab4you]

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Done [http://img707.imageshack.us/img707/7803/steamorigin.png]

Steam dropped below Origin this time on my system. By a whopping 4k. Wow. Just...I can see the difference now and why it's totally an issue.

In case you were wondering... /sarcasm

Was going to say maybe it differs between window versions but seeing how both of you are on win 7 it sure seems strange it such a big gap between what steam uses for both of you.

Edit: That said mine uses 186k when opened [http://img148.imageshack.us/img148/3900/unledaxnt.jpg]...

 

[Radelaide]

I have issues with this. I already have Steam on my PC for getting all my gaming needs, why do I need Origin? Oh yeah, because EA are money-hungry idiots. My laptop is 3 years old and going on dead and the only reason I'd use Origin is for BF3, to which I'm entirely non-committal. But since my EA account for the Sims 3 would be an Origin account now...

Way to shoot yourself in the foot, EA.

 

[kebab4you]

I have issues with this. I already have Steam on my PC for getting all my gaming needs, why do I need Origin? Oh yeah, because EA are money-hungry idiots. My laptop is 3 years old and going on dead and the only reason I'd use Origin is for BF3, to which I'm entirely non-committal. But since my EA account for the Sims 3 would be an Origin account now...

Way to shoot yourself in the foot, EA.

If it´s about to die I wouldn't really expect it to be able to play bf3 anyway.

 

[Hagi]

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Done [http://img707.imageshack.us/img707/7803/steamorigin.png]

Steam dropped below Origin this time on my system. By a whopping 4k. Wow. Just...I can see the difference now and why it's totally an issue.

In case you were wondering... /sarcasm

Was going to say maybe it differs between window versions but seeing how both of you are on win 7 it sure seems strange it such a big gap between what steam uses for both of you.

Edit: That said mine uses 182k when opened...

Any smart program the like of Steam or Origin will greatly vary in it's memory usage.

If I open up Steam whilst it's in the middle of playing a 2 minute video I can easily get it over 200.000kB. Then once I close the video and the window (to release all it's resources) and open the storefront page I get 50.000kB. Closing the window and opening my library gets me 20.000kB. Not opening the Window at all gets me below 10.000kB.

If I totally close Steam to make sure it's not holding any resources in reserve I can probably drop it even lower.

Both programs will load whatever pictures and videos they need to load. They'll then hold those pictures and videos in memory for a little while until they're overwritten by new resources just in case you go back to the previous page again.

That number has absolutely nothing to do whatsoever with the merits of either program. It's got everything to do with the amount of pictures and videos that program has loaded. The only exception being when you're playing games through that service (playing games through another means doesn't count as there's no reliable way of detecting that) in which case it should be smart enough to release as many resources as possible in order to free them up for the game you're playing.

Unless that number increases without bounds the longer the program runs (memory leak) or is extremely high from the start and never changes (pre-loading of all resources even when not used isn't smart bar a few exceptions) it's basically meaningless. And whoever compares 150.000kB against 80.000kB just shows that they don't really understand what they're talking about.

 

[Squeaky]

EA can sod the hell off if they think iam buying BF3 then, If i have to buy it though Orgins what ever happened to opitions why not just feed my grass and glue some whool to me might aswell be a sheep as it seems thats what you want fucking assholes.

 

[5t3v0]

I have issues with this. I already have Steam on my PC for getting all my gaming needs, why do I need Origin? Oh yeah, because EA are money-hungry idiots. My laptop is 3 years old and going on dead and the only reason I'd use Origin is for BF3, to which I'm entirely non-committal. But since my EA account for the Sims 3 would be an Origin account now...

Way to shoot yourself in the foot, EA.

Um... Not to be a douchebag or anything... But let me say something.

Origin is JUST A DOWNLOAD SERVICE. Having it on your Computer is free, and you only pay for THE GAMES. Either way, they are getting the same amount of money if they didn't have origin and you bought it from a store, or from steam even. They could adjust the prices, but its only required if you bought a physical copy of Battlefield 3, as with the Half life games on Steam (not that that is a bad thing, mind you)

EA are money hungry idiots indeed, but origin is not a solid sign of that. It would be if your account didn't record your games and for every time you move you had to purchase it again, or if it had a monthly fee to keep it running, which it doesn't.

 

[Worgen]

The only reason origin has 4 mil subscribers is that they are about to release 2 big games that people really want and both require origin. But I don't really see origin becoming as much of a digital distribution storefront as steam has become, sure they will get some 3rd party games on there but I doubt most of the other big publishers are going to be willing to put stuff on origin. Steam has the benefit of being owned by valve and valve isn't really a publisher, so there isn't a conflict of interests with someone like activision putting games on it.

The only reason why people installed Steam in their computers was because there were several games that required it to validate and play. Cant remember its name, it's been that long, that not even Valve remembers it. There was no incentive, no reason to use it, and people hated that ugly installer. But Valve shoved it down everyone's throats, and said "you use this, and you like it." And people eventually did. Don't matter if Origin now is owned by a publisher. GG was owned by Paradox. That wasnt a conflict of interest to 3rd party devs.

How can you not remember its name? HALF LIFE 2! And every valve game since then has needed steam and yes valve did force it on consumers but they didn't start out as bad as ea did, which a eula that stated it was spyware. As I said before, steam is more like a store, origin is more like an apple store, you wont see a microsoft product in an apple store, you probably wont find an activision or thq or ubisoft product on origin since they are in direct competition with ea.

Really the big worry is that each publisher will decide they want to have their own proprietary digital distribution store and only sell their own shit though it so everyone needs a ton of the damn things. Activision already has the blizzard store and its the only digital distribution that has bliz games.

 

[Funkysandwich]

But I'll ask, why is EA making BF3 require Origin any different than Valve requiring HL2 to require Steam?

I'm not talking about the actual service, I'm talking about how to get people to use it. Nobody used Steam before they were required due to games needing it. To suggest otherwise is lunacy or more bluntly, bullshittting.

Because when Steam launched there was no other digital distribution service with a large install base. And it's not like people will just switch to Origin and stop using Steam. People will still need to have Steam in order to play their Steam games.

I can live without games from EA on my PC, if I really want something from EA I'll just have to get it for my PS3. I don't think I'm missing out on much if I don't have Origin.

 

[Spencer Petersen]

get a fucking console!!! no DRM or Origin there!

Except for, you know, the entire operating system being DRM

 

[Twilight_guy]

Valve doesn't hate anybody. Can't say the same about the people who use the various services...

This thread just makes me think of two opposing armies killing each other over the true words of Gandhi. weird huh?