Valve Hasn't Given up on Paid Mods

[Magmarock]

You misunderstand. The witcher 3 has open modding and there are mods for it, but nothing drastic nor are most people interested in playing a modded version over the default version. If the majority people ware jumping on mods as soon as your game is out then it usually means that something is wrong with the default game.

Yeah, that I can understand. It sounded like you were saying that any game with a voracious modding scene is inherently a bad thing.

Bethesda's weird. They've never managed to turn out a top notch game, out of the box... yeah, no, never. So that's where the modding starts. And the end result is pretty unique. But, it's kinda like those shit cars you have to rebuild to turn them into something top tier. Yeah, the base product is crap, but after you've put in the time and work, you'll get something utterly amazing. If you're into that kind of tinkering, it's great. If you just want a game, that runs right out of the box, it's not the right place to be.

And, for that, you're right.

With Bethesda, half the game is modifying it to suit your interests. Which, it's a niche appeal. If tinkering with a game isn't fun to you, then spending half your time modding it and half your time playing won't be enjoyable, and it'd be a bad purchase for you. If it is... then, holy crap is this a fantastic developer for you.

Nailed it. Yes that's exactly what I was trying to say. Sorry for the late reply.

 

[Starke]

You misunderstand. The witcher 3 has open modding and there are mods for it, but nothing drastic nor are most people interested in playing a modded version over the default version. If the majority people ware jumping on mods as soon as your game is out then it usually means that something is wrong with the default game.

Yeah, that I can understand. It sounded like you were saying that any game with a voracious modding scene is inherently a bad thing.

Bethesda's weird. They've never managed to turn out a top notch game, out of the box... yeah, no, never. So that's where the modding starts. And the end result is pretty unique. But, it's kinda like those shit cars you have to rebuild to turn them into something top tier. Yeah, the base product is crap, but after you've put in the time and work, you'll get something utterly amazing. If you're into that kind of tinkering, it's great. If you just want a game, that runs right out of the box, it's not the right place to be.

And, for that, you're right.

With Bethesda, half the game is modifying it to suit your interests. Which, it's a niche appeal. If tinkering with a game isn't fun to you, then spending half your time modding it and half your time playing won't be enjoyable, and it'd be a bad purchase for you. If it is... then, holy crap is this a fantastic developer for you.

Nailed it. Yes that's exactly what I was trying to say. Sorry for the late reply.

No worries. It's nice to have confirmation that I misunderstood what you were saying originally.

 

[Sarge034]

I never said that. I said Bethesda wasn't quite stupid enough to try squelching free mods entirely. I've also said I wouldn't be surprised if Ubisoft or EA were exactly that dumb. Though, the second part might not have been in this thread.

The industry does and Bethesda has been going to shit slowly too. You refuse to see the industry trends because they don't match your spin. To outright dismiss trends in favor of one or two cherry picked straw men shows your position clearly. And now I'm being held responsible for what you say about this conversation out of this thread? Convenient.

Then don't fucking do that. You know you're lowering the bar, you've only yourself to blame when the conversation goes to shit.

When your motivations are relevant to the topic, and YOU bring them up, I'll attack the shit out of them. You only pointed to them after I began demonstrating the industries' trend of ant consumer money grubbing practices (presumably so you didn't have to address them). So perhaps I in fact don't have myself to blame for someone who's so blinded by their position, that they have a personal stake in, that they'll misread a sentence out of context and drop the mic. That's not good debate edicate, but you're not here for a debate. You're here to champion your cause and crush the opposition.

If you can show something that would show the possibility of paid mods NOT being bastardized then you may have a leg to stand on, and hell you may even change my mind. But you haven't shown anything but your opinion.

 

[Starke]

When your motivations are relevant to the topic, and YOU bring them up, I'll attack the shit out of them.

Yeah, I'm not surprised. I can tell you're not interested in a conversation on the subject, you just want to throw a tantrum. Well, go ahead. I'll wait. If you have anything meaningful to say, I'll wait, but I seriously doubt that's going to happen. At this point, all you've got left are personal attacks.

 

[Starke]

If you can show something that would show the possibility of paid mods NOT being bastardized then you may have a leg to stand on, and hell you may even change my mind. But you haven't shown anything but your opinion.

Okay, here's one, but I know you don't care; if you're working on a thing, and you can devote your time to that thing without having to worry about how you're going to make rent, you can turn out a higher quality, professional, product. This could have lead to mods that would honestly be higher quality than the base game by a substantial margin.

If you're not, and do need to do things like make rent, eventually, you're going to simply have to chuck the project or cut corners. Look at Skyrim's Equipping Overhaul for instance. Then realize it hasn't been updated, in spite of the developer working on it. You could assume that this was a result of insurmountable technical issues, but then we'd have heard something. So we're left with, it's not an unsolvable problem, just one that can't be dealt with someone in their free time.

But, then the entitled twats crawled out of the woodwork, and threw their tantrums claiming we owed them everything we did, free of charge, and how we should be sacrificing everything for them. Yeah, no, doesn't work like that, kid.