Valve Unfazed by PS3 Hacks

[flaming_ninja]

But hackers were already having a field day with COD4 and MW2 way before these hacks...

Ah well, I assume Portal 2 will use Steam rather then PSN. But that being said VAC isn't exactly the best anti-hacker system...

What is the best then?

 

[flaming_ninja]

I would have preferred them saying "Hacking won't effect our sales."

It would be nice if someone would actually acknowledge that there is no data to support massive profit loses (or even noticeable ones) (to my knowledge, feel free to disprove me, I like new information).

Now I don't pirate, if it's not worth my money it's not worth my time (basically just play wow at this point till something good hits) but it's like the drug war.

DRUGS ARE BAD!
Why?
Because they intrinsically are!!! Look at all the crime!
...that didn't exist before you outlawed them?

Same with Piracy, reduction in sales tend to coincide with terrible DRM practices and not piracy numbers. The highest selling games each year have the highest piracy as well. I'd love for people to pirate me into millions of dollars. Would be a nice punishment.

GM Rico

The best way to combat piracy is to reward those who buy the real thing, ie what valve are doing on steam with updates, cheating protection, multi-player access, achievements.

 

[Twilight_guy]

So basically:
Yo dawg! I heard your security failed so we put a security system in your security system to protect us while you fail to protect us!

Valve laughs heartily at hackers and continues on its way. I'm glad that they have the means to cover their ass but I feel for other people who are potentially affected by the hacked codes.

 

[Danpascooch]

Every Valve game has been cracked long time ago. Its just that their games are so good, they offer so much additional content (free mods, editors etc.), and the distributing platform is so good (steam) that people will prefer to buy them and so piracy for Valve, and their sales, is irrelevant.

Exactly, they have the perfect defense against pirates, and that is to not worry about defense in the traditional sense. All carrot, no stick.

This is probably the only company I wouldn't scoff at for saying "we aren't concerned about hacks"

 

[BSOD]

XBox got hacked years ago. Wonder how they got away without this much publicity.

First: Xbox wasn't dubbed the unhackable system.
Second: It was years ago. If they released a report saying, "Hacking Still an Issue With Xbox" no one would care because it is old news. Give it until November (very liberal guess) and by then no one will care that the PS3 is still hacked except for one story every other month saying a new update confused some hackers but they've broken it already.

I've always wanted to know who dubbed the PS3 un-hackable. Do you have a name? A real person? Hopefully this christening wasn't done by the interwebs. But rather someone that worked for Sony.

 

[BSOD]

steel sphere that is Sony-land

Not sure why, but you got a real lol out of me on that one. Sony always reminded me of the innards of the Smithsonian. Polished, sophisticated, complex. But don't touch! Or you'll get your hand slapped by that cold-eyed exhibit curator.

Or Cameron Frye's father comes to mind.

 

[dancinginfernal]

I see it now "PlayStation developers using Steamworks to protect games." I have no ill will towards Valve, I like them a lot, but for the love of god someone stop them before they take over the world!

You can't stop a Gabe N.

 

[nipsen]

steel sphere that is Sony-land

Not sure why, but you got a real lol out of me on that one. Sony always reminded me of the innards of the Smithsonian. Polished, sophisticated, complex. But don't touch! Or you'll get your hand slapped by that cold-eyed exhibit curator.

*nods* right, the Smithsonian. Exactly. Thing is that a lot of the people who work there are really cool people. They love their jobs, and they love doing it well. But.. if something isn't on their job-description, they don't have any channels to raise issues. Curators can be critics in their spare time, but they don't deal with exhibitions. .. So if their product actually is awesome, then no worries. If it's not, then they just have to make the best of it as it is. Or just walk sternly around, etc. No dialogue or two-way process..

I mean.. I'm pretty sure Sony folks would put heaven and earth in motion to get some obscure release approved for distribution - if it's already considered. But there's no one there to look critically at the distribution and approval process. Or the criteria for selecting titles. Unless you have that project with indy devs that turned up flower, flow, Riff, etc. Then there's another process.. But there's that gap between HQ decrees and individual projects that can't be bridged, it seems.

And it's really negative for Sony.. it really is in their interest to sort it out, but.. there's no one in charge of a (non-existent) project like that..

edit: "unhackable", etc. Could very well have come from someone speaking to press off the cuff who don't really know any technical bits. (Regardless, it's internet myth, and therefore true. )

 

[killamanhunter]

I see it now "PlayStation developers using Steamworks to protect games."

Hopefully Valve will allow other developers and publishers to use VAC and steamworks to protect their games, or DICE will fix the problems with Punkbuster and put that in it's console Battlefield games. "Problems? What problems?"

Spoiler

 

[Flac00]

Hey, Valve has been a PC developer for a long time. And the PC is hacker heaven, they know what they are doing.

 

[Mcface]

Well, it's not like Steam and Steamworks are entirely secure either. At least not for offline play. I have enough friends who pirate Steamworks games to know that.

Yeah, steam works is one of the easier things to crack.

 

[Mcface]

But hackers were already having a field day with COD4 and MW2 way before these hacks...

Ah well, I assume Portal 2 will use Steam rather then PSN. But that being said VAC isn't exactly the best anti-hacker system...

What is the best then?

there is none.
everything can be hacked/cracked/pirated.
EVERYTHING.

 

[theultimateend]

The best way to combat piracy is to reward those who buy the real thing, ie what valve are doing on steam with updates, cheating protection, multi-player access, achievements.

I agree . Also "damnit..." I hate when I sign off here...I have to sign off at work and occasionally the habit spills onto this forum :/.

 

[Vigormortis]

So basically:
Yo dawg! I heard your security failed so we put a security system in your security system to protect us while you fail to protect us!

Valve laughs heartily at hackers and continues on its way. I'm glad that they have the means to cover their ass but I feel for other people who are potentially affected by the hacked codes.

Ha! That first sentence made my day.

But anyway. This isn't surprising news to me. Valve figured out the best ways to contend with and subsequently counter-act hackers and digital pirates years ago. So it comes as no shock that they're applying the same techniques and philosophies to their PS3 releases.

[edit] Yes I know, late-to-the-game on these posts. But, whatev.

 

[the666destroyer]

YAH I CALL BULLSHIT ON THIS TOPIC

just recenttly (like 3 hours ago) i signed in to psn and tryed to play portal 2 online, but while i downloaded an update for the game, it signed me out of psn, and i cant sign in since

seriously, i dont know why but im REALLY certain its due to steam becoming hacked recentlly,AND BECAUSE OF THIS I CANNOT PLAY ANY PS3 GAMES ONLINE ANYMORE, VALVE IF YOU DONT FIX THIS IM GOING TO SUE