Valve working on 'Steam Box' console

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Wintermoot

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I doubt it considering console versions of their games are nearly always a afterthought.
If it DOES come out I wouldn't buy it I love valve but not enough to buy a proprietary machine.
 

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Rednog said:
There could be a silver lining in this for PC gamers. If it gets popularity like a console then that would mean in turn more games would be coded to work on this console and in turn work for PC.
I honestly didn't think there were that many exclusives for consoles. There's a burgeoning industry operating on PC alone.

That being said, I'm not against the 'Steambox'. If Valve are willing to invest in what I understand to be a fairly significant financial risk, then more power to them.
 

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Cautiously optimistic. Application of Valve's business ethics to consoles would be pretty cool.. Plus, *grabs flame shield* Origin is a nice example of how I'd like a console to work. Open the overlay, and there's an option to open an in-overlay browser. It's sufficient to check facebook or to google something in game. Make a console that's basically that, but with, you know, less EA, and it could work.

I wonder what this will be called. I personally like the Steamcast/Gabecube.
 

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I've seen people referencing that quote from Newell as potential proof of the existence of this console a fair bit, but if you actually go back and look at his full statement I don't think it exactly screams enthusiasm about his company doing so. What's more that was said not after any discussion about games consoles but rather after a discussion about wearable computers and similar crazy projects.
 

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jollybarracuda said:
I think the only way for this to stand out in a market where the only real hardware difference between consoles and PCs is the ability to upgrade is for Valve to do something totally unique that hasn't been done before. Given their history with innovation, I'd say they've got a better shot at that than most.
/e bangs head!!!

Wow! I can't believe some of the vitriol in this thread. No one seems to get what it would appear that Valve is looking to do?

I may be misreading this, but based on all the available information it looks like Valve is seeking to create a small inexpensive somewhat standardized gaming PC that can function as a set top box for the TV. In other words IT'S A PC THAT YOU CAN USE WITH THE COST AND CONVENIENCE OF A CONSOLE! Gee best of both worlds? Wouldn't that be nice.
 

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faefrost said:
jollybarracuda said:
I think the only way for this to stand out in a market where the only real hardware difference between consoles and PCs is the ability to upgrade is for Valve to do something totally unique that hasn't been done before. Given their history with innovation, I'd say they've got a better shot at that than most.
/e bangs head!!!

Wow! I can't believe some of the vitriol in this thread. No one seems to get what it would appear that Valve is looking to do?

I may be misreading this, but based on all the available information it looks like Valve is seeking to create a small inexpensive somewhat standardized gaming PC that can function as a set top box for the TV. In other words IT'S A PC THAT YOU CAN USE WITH THE COST AND CONVENIENCE OF A CONSOLE! Gee best of both worlds? Wouldn't that be nice.
I think we all understand that that is what Valve is looking to do. But, having a compact pc that works with a tv doesnt seem possible without having locked in hardware, in which case, it now just acts like a console. And all I was saying is that for this to stand out, it can't just be a "small pc that sits on your tv", it needs to bring something totally new to the table.
 

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I severely doubt it, getting into the console business would be a risky move and there lack of experience or general renown in the console business since they are mostly PC developers would be a sever hindrance initially, making initial profits not look too good. Aside from that, have they done anything with hardware before? Its not as if software and hardware engineering experts are the same thing you know.
 

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Valve's Steambox is the only upcoming or existing console development which has piqued my interest. Not so much because I am interested in purchasing it, but due to the implication it may have for the PC gaming market. Maybe the first step towards pc and console gaming merging into one single market...no more shitty ports, no childish bickering over the logo on your hardware, less technical stagnation due to aging fixed hardware.

I would say it is a risky venture, I wouldn't touch those Alienware "consoles which are really overpriced-underpowered PCs" with a ten foot clown pole. On the other hand, we are talking about Valve here, they must have something else up their sleeve.
 

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jollybarracuda said:
faefrost said:
jollybarracuda said:
I think the only way for this to stand out in a market where the only real hardware difference between consoles and PCs is the ability to upgrade is for Valve to do something totally unique that hasn't been done before. Given their history with innovation, I'd say they've got a better shot at that than most.
/e bangs head!!!

Wow! I can't believe some of the vitriol in this thread. No one seems to get what it would appear that Valve is looking to do?

I may be misreading this, but based on all the available information it looks like Valve is seeking to create a small inexpensive somewhat standardized gaming PC that can function as a set top box for the TV. In other words IT'S A PC THAT YOU CAN USE WITH THE COST AND CONVENIENCE OF A CONSOLE! Gee best of both worlds? Wouldn't that be nice.
I think we all understand that that is what Valve is looking to do. But, having a compact pc that works with a tv doesnt seem possible without having locked in hardware, in which case, it now just acts like a console. And all I was saying is that for this to stand out, it can't just be a "small pc that sits on your tv", it needs to bring something totally new to the table.
Why not exactly?

And I ask this as someone with 10+ years as a pc product and development engineer. I can see how Valve using virtually off the shelf components could easily assemble such a device and produce it. You don't need to lock in the hardware in a proprietary way. Simply use a fairly fixed standard. Heck most PC manufacturers are already doing this in their business and server lines. It's only the gaming PC's that are still the overpriced wild west. The only trick is to build such things at a reasonable price point. I can see where they could get them under $500, but for a set top box it would be nice to get it under $300.

Software developers would fall all over themselves to have a predictable hardware standard within a PC format using Valve's Steam distribution channel.

I have never understood why Microsoft did not go this exact route with teh X-Box to begin with. (It was the competing concept within MS that lost.)
 

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April fools is less than a month away guys!

Look at the what they say it will do

- No fixed SDK, no licensing fees

Well right from the word go the consoles failed, MS and Sony both lose money on the consoles they sell they make the cash back through SDKs and licenses for developing games on the format, how EXACTLY will Valve make money on the console? Through Steam sales, why even bother they already have that in place, it's called ANY GAMING PC ON THE PLANET and the upside is Valve didn't have to pay the fee to get the PC in your house.

- Anyone's software will run on it

Really, Origin a rival content distribution service will run on it? That's just out and out dumb. How exactly will they ensure that anyone's software works on it? The only company that can do that just now is MS and they have had the best part of 3 decades to get it right and Windows can still be a bit iffy. Are Valve going to develop their own OS?

Someone's getting April Fools started early here gentlemen!
 

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Not sure who's the target audience for this.

PC gamers? They already have PCs.

Console gamers? They likely don't care.

People who game on both? See my first comment.

Non-gamers? See my second.
 

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TrilbyWill said:
*bangs head on keyboard*
No. No. No. No. No.
1. I think consoles are going to die out eventually. Probably soon.
2. Valve's main market are PC gamers, who have gaming PCs
3. We don't need more bloody consoles
Can you please go through the motions to which you have came to that conclusion? No I'm not sniping you, I do wish one day for a world where PC rules over the gaming universe.
 

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Its interesting, but think it better if they do a link on PS3 or 360 to download games, although would have to allow offline gaming if possible. But like that it would allow people to play a lot of the older games.

Me, i wish they would have old games from C64 like Creatures or Turrican 2 or games on Amiga like Syndicate to download on Live or PSN. Games i loved playing and probably played more than any game i played on current gen consoles.
 

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Valagetti said:
TrilbyWill said:
*bangs head on keyboard*
No. No. No. No. No.
1. I think consoles are going to die out eventually. Probably soon.
2. Valve's main market are PC gamers, who have gaming PCs
3. We don't need more bloody consoles
Can you please go through the motions to which you have came to that conclusion? No I'm not sniping you, I do wish one day for a world where PC rules over the gaming universe.
Well, I see a lot of 'next gen might be last gen' threads, which do make decent points. If consoles only have one or two gens left, eventually they'll become totally redundant. plus, computer technology will advance to a point where making gaming PCs will become just as 'cheap' as buying a console (hell, my friend only spent £500 on his and it's decent).
 

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I just don't see it happening..... Nothing against valve, it just doesn't seem like a good business decision to get into the console game at this point, I mean we probably have 2 MAYBE three more console gens left at this point tops.
 

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Valagetti said:
No I'm not sniping you, I do wish one day for a world where PC rules over the gaming universe.
I'm not sure I do. I grew up on and like my consoles. Back then, consoles had Mario, and computers, had Number Muncher(yes, that could be installed on DOS. I did it several times during my childhood). I always liked some things about computers better, mostly the DIY thing, made you feel like you had more power over the process. I don't see what people think was so great about DOS gaming. The selection of games was terrible in my opinion. I installed loads of DOS games back then, but I loved my NES games much more. The only thing I liked about them was that they were on the computer. A PC means PC, it's all about options and risk taking and putting your part into the puzzle. While consoles are about throwing you a box of sealed up quality and approval. Consoles are plush luxury of ease and quality, while PCs are a constant project. Meaning that both have their own appeal.

I'm no PC gamer. The only PC gamer thing about me is that I spend almost all my nerd time on the PC and I hate television.

And I'm also not sure I would like PC to take over. Even if it's more convenient to have all the games I play on the same system I do everything else on. Instead of the games I like moving to the PC platform, they might just die. If such a thing were to happen, I have the feeling that a lot of companies would rather just go down with the ship rather than hop onto Windows or Linux or Mac.

I also don't understand why so many people seem to be making the claim that "PC gaming will take over, console gaming is dead". It seems like wishful thinking on the part of PC gamers, to me. At least on most people who claim them.

If I could attempt to understand where such a claim might be otherwise coming from, though. As much as I hate to admit it, it seems like we might be moving in a bit of that direction as well. The graphics race is going to soon die. And soon enough, consoles with more power are going to become less and less necessary, making there less need and reason for more consoles. As they won't be able to do much other than add a new gimmick. And as new games won't have any higher graphics, and won't use much more computing power, several year old laptops will be able to play all the newest games. All of them. There's also the fact that consoles themselves are from an outdated time where home computing was expensive, but console gaming was an affordable alternative.

I'm personally betting that consoles will continue existing for a couple more decades at least, though. And console companies will just have to continue putting out different new gimmicks until they can't sustain it anymore, instead of more powerful hardware. Nintendo and probably Japanese companies in general, are not going down without a fight from their precious contribution to the gaming world. The console is a cultural gaming icon that Japan has always had a foot in. Probably one half of the entire gaming industry itself is Japan. Whereas Japan has never had a huge part of the PC gaming world. And most importantly, Nintendo.

Nintendo isn't just one of the biggest video game companies, they're one of the richest and most powerful software companies in the world. They essentially create Macintosh computers, but their Apples are for gaming, while Apples are for video editing. Nintendo is going to drop out of the hardware industry about as soon as Apple Inc. They're not going down without a fight. And for the console to die, you have to take out Nintendo. And Nintendo is NOT SEGA.

There might be some merit if it was just Sony and Microsoft. Microsoft is already in weird waters making consoles. But they're not alone, they're beside the staying power that is Nintendo.

Even if graphics and technology are moving in this direction, where PCs are more profitable than consoles, and more powerful hardware is becoming less and less useful for gaming, can you imagine Luigi's Mansion being on Steam anytime in the near future? I sure as heck cannot.

"Eventually", maybe. Soon? NO!

... why do my posts always end in a wall of text?
 

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Gorilla Gunk said:
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For not even trying to update their console releases and still using the flimsy "MS won't let us!" excuse while other developers are able to get sizable updates/DLC out in a timely manner with little problem.
It's not "Microsoft wont let us", it's Microsoft is forcing us to charge for it. If you've played TF2 lately, It's a totally different game than it was when it was released. Charging for an essential update would cause a divide in the already small community of players who still play TF2 on the Xbox. CD Projekt Red are in a similar position, they've already stated that all future DLC will be free for PC, but charged for Xbox. Why? Because Microsoft's policy wont allow for it.
http://www.escapistmagazine.com/forums/read/7.231292-Valve-Xbox-Live-Rules-are-a-Train-Wreck?page=1
http://www.escapistmagazine.com/forums/read/7.315173-Theoretical-Witcher-2-DLC-Will-Be-Free-on-PC-But-Not-360
No shit Sherlock.

I never expected any of the DLC to be free. So far they've charged for all the L4D2 DLC, why would I think any future DLC would be different? It may not be fair but it's just something you have to accept.

I mean if that really is the only reason Valve haven't released any more DLC for any of their console releases then maybe somebody should go over to their offices and check to make sure there isn't a gas leak or something.
TF2 will probably be around 200 updates in now. Microsoft's rules would require Valve to charge for anything more substantial then a bugfix, or small tweak with a $.99 minimum price(Assuming there's no enforced price scaling for file size, which there probably is).They'll also require valve to pay THEM each time for the privilege of putting this update out over their service, which isn't cheap.

So on consumers side of the equation, you'd have little reason to buy them(Given TF2s low system requirements, most people will have a PC capable of running it, and if they don't they could upgrade their current one sufficiently for far less then the cost of the updates.) and valve would end up loosing a bunch of money providing support to the small community of players with more money then sense. Are you really that surprised they'd just take their ball and go home?
 

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Gamer_152 said:
I've seen people referencing that quote from Newell as potential proof of the existence of this console a fair bit, but if you actually go back and look at his full statement I don't think it exactly screams enthusiasm about his company doing so. What's more that was said not after any discussion about games consoles but rather after a discussion about wearable computers and similar crazy projects.
Not only that, but the statement in question was in response to a question specifically asking if they were going to sell hardware. It's not like Gabe brought up the idea. That's not to say that Valve isn't developing a console, it's just that this statement does not add any evidence to the idea.

OT: While it could be interesting to see what Valve could do with a console, I would rather have Valve make a gaming-centric operating system, similar to what someone else mentioned.
 

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Laughing Man said:
Valve isn't manufacturing the device. That's why the article says they have hardware partners. Also, while Valve doesn't charge licensing fees, they do charge distribution fees -- to the tune of 30%. If Valve sells 200,000 of these things, and each gamer spends an average of $150 a year on games for the next five years, that's $45,000,000 in gross for Valve.

They didn't make the hardware, so they're only out R&D and advertisement money.

And both of those numbers are extremely conservative. If it's a million units and $200 a year, you're looking at $300,000,000.

To put it in perspective, the Vita sold over a million units in its first week of launch. Valve would have to screw up pretty hard to not make money on this thing.
 

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I am a little confused. I this to be a console that lets you download and play console games the way steam does for computer games, or is it a "mini-computer" meant for just playing steam games?

Either way, to have the hardware required to run the games, it would have to be as expensive as a console. And why would you pay that price when you could just buy a console and have the ability to sell, trade, and rent games?