Vegetarians

[Amnestic]

Just because one person doesn't eat it doesn't have any effect, because other people will.

Every vegetarian saves, on average, 83 animals from being slaughtered.

So yes, it does have an effect.

Could I request a source for clarification's sake? I was under the impression that the animals would still get killed whether a person was vegetarian or not, they simply wouldn't have bought the meat. As always I might be wrong, but that's where I stand at the moment.

 

[DannyDamage]

People often dislike vegans/vegetarians because of a high level of hypocrisy, holier than thou morals and their general persistence to prove that anyone eating meat is a blood thirsty killer.

This made me chuckle.

Anyways I'd consider myself a "flexitarian" I suppose. I usually don't consume meat, but on some occasions I will, as it can be delicious.

I'm assuming all the anger at meat eaters from the "Eating Meat, Is It Barbaric?" thread has calmed down a little, or it started smelling of bacon.

Every vegetarian saves, on average, 83 animals from being slaughtered.

Every vegetarian, on average, is responsible for 83 animals being slaughtered and left to go to waste.

 

[RAWKSTAR]

If your a vegetarian you must sometimes think why god made animals out of food?

 

[Shivari]

Just because one person doesn't eat it doesn't have any effect, because other people will.

Every vegetarian saves, on average, 83 animals from being slaughtered.

So yes, it does have an effect.

Could I request a source for clarification's sake? I was under the impression that the animals would still get killed whether a person was vegetarian or not, they simply wouldn't have bought the meat. As always I might be wrong, but that's where I stand at the moment.

I covered this a lot in the other thread, but supply and demand brings the production down. Yeah, if there was one single person in the entire world that was vegetarian, then yes, it wouldn't make a difference. But the population is about 4% vegetarian, so that adds up and does have an impact.

 

[Shivari]

This made me chuckle.

Anyways I'd consider myself a "flexitarian" I suppose. I usually don't consume meat, but on some occasions I will, as it can be delicious.

I'm assuming all the anger at meat eaters from the "Eating Meat, Is It Barbaric?" thread has calmed down a little, or it started smelling of bacon.

Note: That has recently changed, as I was in the process of becoming a vegetarian at the time of writing. So yes, I've been a veggie for a little over two months and I'm this militant.

EDIT: I was going to edit this into my above post, but I clicked the post button by accident. =(

 

[Amnestic]

If your a vegetarian you must sometimes think why god made animals out of food?

^ Might be a good point if you happened to believe in God.

Just because one person doesn't eat it doesn't have any effect, because other people will.

Every vegetarian saves, on average, 83 animals from being slaughtered.

So yes, it does have an effect.

Could I request a source for clarification's sake? I was under the impression that the animals would still get killed whether a person was vegetarian or not, they simply wouldn't have bought the meat. As always I might be wrong, but that's where I stand at the moment.

I covered this a lot in the other thread, but supply and demand brings the production down. Yeah, if there was one single person in the entire world that was vegetarian, then yes, it wouldn't make a difference. But the population is about 4% vegetarian, so that adds up and does have an impact.

Fair enough. I had an inkling it was something like that anyway.

 

[Ambarato]

I don't hate Vegetarians either. I think they're wrong sure, but everyone is entitled to their own beliefs and can eat/not eat whatever they want. I do think Vegans go a tad overboard though.

 

[Amnestic]

I covered this one already.

It's been covered about 20 times in the past month by one Escapist or another. I knew this thread would end up retreading old arguments.

 

[Ronin_14-47]

No, no, no, YOU failed to quote me properly. I fully aknowledge the fact that a pure meat diet is not sufficiently nutritious, but neither is a pure veggie diet. Of course it is easy now for people to be vegetarian, because there's plenty of syntesized crap to replace the stuff you'd need. You don't see any vegetarian athletes, and all vegetarians I know aren't always the picture of perfect health. True, they do not tend to be overweight, though a few are, but they do tend to be a bit out of shape. Plus, I'd like to see some verified research myself. Look, what this all boils down to is is that I'm not vegetarian, I don't think it's a good Idea, it's not natural, but that's my opinion and everyone is welcome to their own, so be be a vegetarian if you want, it's your life.

PS- GET OFF IT WITH THE HITLER STUFF!!! It is quite possibly the worst argument on the face of the earth. I mean, anti-semitism, racism, anti-homosexual tendencies aside, the man was to Germany what Obama is to America. At least, in that time in German history.

With the Hitler thing, I was just trying to get the other people to stop arguing about whether Hitler was a veggie/for what reasons was he a veggie. Either way, it has no effect on whether vegetarianism is right or wrong. Apparently that went right over your head. Oh, and please don't assume Obama is going to be a great president before he even steps in the Oval Office. I'm cautiously optimistic and that's all you can be.

On to the real topic, you're wrong for a few reasons...

1. Appeal to Nature: Just because it "isn't natural" doesn't make it bad, and "natural" isn't synonymous with "completely right and healthy".

2. Yes there are vegetarian and vegan athletes. Carl Lewis [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bOTETXwfIaY&feature=related] won 9 Olympic gold medals as a vegan. This guy [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YvEH7W_w1NA&feature=related] also is a vegan and is a bodybuilder. You can eat no meat and be a great athlete, so there goes that point of your's.

Well, actually, if you read my other argument that in today's world you can easily supplement the vitamins you'd need for the lack of nutrients, you'd also notice that what do you know, this is life, where there is almost always an exception to something as per the vegan athletes, but they're running on vitamins anyway.

Another thing, the whole point of something being natural is that nature has given something the "yep, this is the most efficient way of doing things, so let's not try and screw it up" anything else is a fluke and probably won't work. By the way, I don't hold much hope for Obama, either. apparently, THAT comparison went over your head. I'd also like to apologize, I didn't mean to get so fired up. I honestly don't give a crap about people's diet preference, do whatever you want. I just jumped in here out of boredom. Now look, we're going back and forth over a foreign video game magazine forum about vegetarianism! That's like having a debate over boxers or briefs, though I'm sure that's not far off. Anyway, sorry I wasted my time and yours, though yours more than mine. I need to get my life back.

 

[Shivari]

Another thing, the whole point of something being natural is that nature has given something the "yep, this is the most efficient way of doing things, so let's not try and screw it up" anything else is a fluke and probably won't work.

I just couldn't pass this up...

Yeah, and killing someone when you're really angry at them is natural too. Does that mean we should allow that? Natural =/= good or better or more efficient. It's a fallacy, I pointed that out already. Nature isn't some god that decides what's good and what isn't.

http://www.fallacyfiles.org/adnature.html

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Appeal_to_nature

 

[bue519]

The only time I'm not a fan of vegetarians is when they give me the "evil eye" when I'm eating meat.

 

[BurnoutPriest]

If meat can be replaced by synthesized chemicals, shouldn't the same be applicable to plants? Why should any vegetarian even eat plants (which are alive) when it is possible to eat pure mixtures of required chemicals in pills?

Honestly I see no moral high ground when it comes to omnivores vs herbivores. They both kill living beings in order to prolong their own existence.

 

[dMighty]

Most of the hate is directed towards the moral vegetarians and understandably so. They take a ritual deeply ingrained into the status quo and declare it morally base. The act of eating meat is done unthinkingly for the most part and to have that act questioned is sure to ruffle some feathers.

Why your friends make fun you for not liking meat? I don't know, maybe they're just dicks, but that's what friends are for. If you had funny looking ears maybe they'd make fun of that too.

As for not pressing your morals onto others, I find that somewhat ridiculous. If there is some aspect of modern society you find morally wrong you should seek to correct it. It's your right and your responsibility. Just do it through the proper channels and do it with maturity and respect.

 

[GodofMadness]

"meat, We where born to eat it"

the ad with Sam Neil said it all

iv known Veg's who have had to take injections, because they refused to eat any Animal Product.

i also know Veg's that think that we should not eat cows because of the pain they get when they are killed.
i answer them with the point that they will die, and i will probably be painful, and instead of them decaying and being eating by maggots, i can eat them, and enjoy the meal that there flesh Provides.

there is also the point that we evolved from Moneys by eating meat. we where forced to make tools, so we could get meat, we lurnt teamwork from trying to take Mammoths down. even look at the Ape's of today. the Vegetarian Gorilla, is the least intelligent. look at most Animals and you see that the least intelligent are herbivores.

a Argument that is often thrown around is the Animal Lovers. they often have lots of cats and dogs. witch are Carnivores, and im shore they dont starve them or force them to become Vegin.

flaws flaws.

evin the Cancer argument is flawed. if you stay inside all day you wont get skin Cancer, i stopped worrying about getting Cancer when they said that the plastic wrap that went on my sandwiches cased it.

so i fail to see why you would become a Vege, apart from Medical conditions, and my hatred is only the sort you get when you see people doing silly things and trying to justify it on moral high ground

 

[Di22y]

Some people choose to be vegetarians even though they like the taste of meat and not because they can't stomach the taste or texture of the meat.

I think the hate thing comes into play when a vegetarian will frown upon somebody who is eating meat, so in many cases the feeling of 'hate' can be mutual.