Vegetarians

[Typecast]

I'm a vegetarian. I get the hate. I don't push the ethics. People accomodate at parties etc, but they're still condescending. Personally, I have the same reason for being a vegetarian as wewontdie1. Ever since I was a child I hated the texture and flavour. I tried to eat more complicated forms of meat but it always tasted gross, just like brussel sprouts, which I also loathe. Eventually all I could manage was sausages, bacon and McDonalds(ironically I always hated fishfingers and chicken nuggets too, which sounds weird doesn't it). Eventually I gave up the rest when the smell started to make me feel sick, at around age 16.

Now, I don't have a problem with killing. In fact, if someone gave me a licence to kill every cow, pig, goat and sheep tomorrow I would. Not because I'm a vegetarian, but because euro-trash(including all the white people-yes I'm one of them) doesn't belong in Australia(they're just not cut out for it)(also I'm aware that not all of the above listed animals are european, in fact most of them are of African I think... anyone want to clarify?).

I'm really sick of all this hate, but then I got the feeling the other day that my friends are not attacking vegetarians; they're trying to defend their own choices...much like a homophobe will rag on about gays endlessly, because they find the fact of homosexuality confrontational itself. Which begs the question, why so insecure? Methinks thou dost protest too much...

But yeah, I'm tired of the lame 'machoism' crap that everyone brings out, when you've heard it a million times already, there's nothing like stabbing a morons eyes out to make you feel manlier.

*I wouldn't kill all the white people in Australia, I'd just move them to Tasmania where the climate is better suited to north euros.

**EDIT: I like to use my incisors... during sex...

 

[wewontdie11]

have you ever been in a slaughter house or have you just seen the peta type ads of "real" slaughterhouses? i'm guessing the latter because a slaughterhouse is pretty darn nice, cept for the death, it's not that bad to be in, it looks like a butcher shop for the most part

Wow I don't know about the slaughter houses near you, but the one I visited on works experience (how ironic) was by no means nice. Worst thing was the smell. I actually had to hold my nose pretty much as long as I was in there it was that awful. Wasn't just like the smell of meat either, was actually the smell of death or dead/decaying flesh, which for anyone who has experienced it, its not fun when there's a lot of it.

 

[2na]

If you don?t like the taste or texture of meat that?s fine and dandy: I don?t like the taste and texture of Cauliflower that?s why I don?t eat it.

I have nothing against regaler vegetarians it?s the ones that think they have some moral high ground over me for not eating meat.

 

[Mistah Kurtz]

But vegetarianism defies nature - animals eat other animals and such - and I don't have enough compassion for a cow to care.

You could argue my way though and say that if you gave a child an apple and a live chicken he'll eat the apple and play with the chicken. The same goes for chimps, they'll eat a banana if it's right there instead of hunting an animal that they'll eat.

Actually, that's not true at all. The reason that a child will eat an apple before a chicken is because it doesn't associate meat with animals yet and it has no butchering skills.

The fact of the matter is children are highly abusive to animals until they reach an age where they're taught not to. Have you ever left a baby in a room with a small dog? Come back an hour later and that dog will have fist sized patches of fur missing, and if the dog has any balls, you'll also find a dead baby. Children are naturally cruel to animals, and it's society that teaches them to be nice to them. This shows that humans have natural inclinations towards hunting and killing animals.

 

[Space Spoons]

I don't really hate vegetarians all that much. Let them munch their carrot sticks, more meat sammiches for me.

Like a lot of posters here, it's when they call me an evil murderer for eating meat that I can't stand.

 

[squirrelman42]

my hate for vegan/vegetarians is the same for my hatred of Mac users, and Democrats. It's not that what they believe in is in and of itself bad, it's that the way they attack me for disagreeing with them and refuse to listen to reason that makes me hate it.

 

[wewontdie11]

I have to say, it's put my mind somewhat at ease knowing that the majority of people don't generally take offence with my personal opinions on food, and the more realistic ideas of vegetarianism, as some people I know seem to.

 

[liquidmetal]

There are two types of vegetarians/vegans that I simply can't abide. The first would be the ones who try to take a moral high ground over me, which everyone in this thread has agreed to be detestable. The second, that nobody has mentioned I believe, are the ones who try to say that it's healthier to not eat meat. Such a statement is based on complete ignorance. More often than not, it's the preparation of the food, not the food itself, that makes it unhealthy. There's a massive difference between salmon poached with lemons and herbs and Kentucky Fried Chicken. And I can promise you that I can prepare veggies in such a way that they are absolutely delicious and absolutely horrible for you. People need protein. That's just a fact. Yes you can get protein from nuts. But if an athlete tries to get his protein from nuts, his jaw will seize before he gets what he needs. Then there's the vegans. Now I've only known two vegans, but they both needed to take supplement pills because they weren't getting the nutrients that they needed from their diets. And yet they insisted that their diets were healthier than mine. Any diet that requires pills in order to keep a person healthy doesn't sound healthy at all.

You have a point in that most vegetarians most likely aren't pushing their habits onto other people. However, the ones who do are very loud about it and they take it upon themselves to speak for the entire vegetarian population. So if most vegetarians keep to themselves, it's likely that only those people's friends even know about their eating habits. Conversely, if the pushy vegetarians are the only ones that we carnivores ever hear talk, it's very easy to come to be ill disposed toward the entire group.

In short, if you want to stop the hate on vegetarians, tell the loud mouthed ones that you meet to shut up and keep their business to themselves.

 

[Calobi]

Most of the hate is directed more towards the pushy vegetarians and vegans who think we omnivores are some sort of murderous barbarians for liking meat. I don't mind them myself because I like having people I can ignore and not feel bad about doing so to (not that I feel bad most of the time, but I think I probably should).

And to anyone here who is a vegan and doesn't like eating meat, remember that plants are alive and are sentient. They move their leaves to absorb the most sunlight, meaning they must have some sense of where it is and how to follow it. At least cows and chickens and what-have-you can run away or fight back (albeit not well, but whatever) whereas plants can't. And I know that they probably can't feel pain, but the point is they are alive, not the same way as animals but they are and you are killing them.

 

[wewontdie11]

The second, that nobody has mentioned I believe, are the ones who try to say that it's healthier to not eat meat. Such a statement is based on complete ignorance. More often than not, it's the preparation of the food, not the food itself, that makes it unhealthy. There's a massive difference between salmon poached with lemons and herbs and Kentucky Fried Chicken. And I can promise you that I can prepare veggies in such a way that they are absolutely delicious and absolutely horrible for you. People need protein. That's just a fact. Yes you can get protein from nuts. But if an athlete tries to get his protein from nuts, his jaw will seize before he gets what he needs. Then there's the vegans. Now I've only known two vegans, but they both needed to take supplement pills because they weren't getting the nutrients that they needed from their diets. And yet they insisted that their diets were healthier than mine. Any diet that requires pills in order to keep a person healthy doesn't sound healthy at all.

The health argument is still one up for scientific debate if I remember correctly. As despite the obvious lack or protein (which I incidentally do take supplements for now and again), a study I heard about not too long ago on the news, stated that vegetarians were something like 20% less likely to get cancer than people that ate meat. As ever I take statistics such as these with a pinch of salt, but there is still the very real possibility that there is some substance to this. In which case I'd much rather have the supplements thank you very much.

 

[Mr. Purple]

I have several friends who are vegetarians and I respect all of them for their decisions. I am by far pro-choice. Do what you want.

 

[thestdinstud]

I've always wondered... do vegetarians eat eggs?

And on topic I have no hate for vegetarians, I do have to say most of them are delicious (especially cows )

 

[wewontdie11]

I've always wondered... do vegetarians eat eggs?

And on topic I have no hate for vegetarians, I do have to say most of them are delicious (especially cows )

Well I do. On a pretty regular basis actually. Not sure what you would classify eggs under because they're not technically living animals. Reminds me of the similar abortion argument about whether a foetus is considered alive when it is conceived or when it is born. Good question though if someone more knowledgeable than me on this subject would care to elaborate further.

 

[Calobi]

I've always wondered... do vegetarians eat eggs?

And on topic I have no hate for vegetarians, I do have to say most of them are delicious (especially cows )

Well I do. On a pretty regular basis actually. Not sure what you would classify eggs under because they're not technically living animals. Reminds me of the similar abortion argument about whether a foetus is considered alive when it is conceived or when it is born. Good question though if someone more knowledgeable than me on this subject would care to elaborate further.

Most people probably wouldn't consider eggs that you buy to eat living things as they aren't fertilized in a way that can make a chick (at least not where I live, could be different elsewhere).

 

[malestrithe]

You could argue my way though and say that if you gave a child an apple and a live chicken he'll eat the apple and play with the chicken. The same goes for chimps, they'll eat a banana if it's right there instead of hunting an animal that they'll eat.

This argument really does not fly because the baby will instinctively put everything in their mouth before he or she tries to play with it. They do not have the werewithal to understand anything more than "food, not food" at that stage in their lives. This is true with plants, animals, objects and whatever. When the baby realizes that it is food, it will go ahead and eat it. When the baby realizes that the object does not taste good or it tries to bite back, then it is not food.

 

[Shivari]

I've always wondered... do vegetarians eat eggs?

And on topic I have no hate for vegetarians, I do have to say most of them are delicious (especially cows )

Vegans don't, as they don't consume or use any animal products. I don't eat them because they tend to make me sick. :/

Anyways, about the whole child with an apple and chicken situation, I was just saying that you could look at it either way. I could say the only reason the kid would ever view the chicken as potential food is because it has had or heard of eating chicken before. Maybe if it never was around any consumption of meat it wouldn't see an animal as food.

But no matter what the "answer" is to that situation it doesn't matter what is natural or unnatural because that has really no relevance to this. Violence in itself is "natural" but it doesn't make it acceptable behavior. I'm not saying that eating meat is wrong, you just can't say that not eating meat is bad because it might be "unnatural".

 

[vede]

Ooh! Ooh! Let me copy everyone else, too!

I don't hate the veggeaters, I just hate when they call the meateaters failures as humans, which is obviously incorrect. People are sort of, you know, omnivores. They're those things that are able to chase down food, or just grab a weed and eat it. They're adaptable. They have to be if they want to be the "dominant species" and all.

You know how when you run your tongue across all your front teeth, and they're sharp? Yeah, those ain't plant-crushers, my friends. Plant-crushers go in the back. These sharpies, these are meat-slicers. They are specifically made so you can sink them into a juicy chicken's breast or cow's side after successfully chasing it down and killing it. Or finding it in a supermarket.

 

[fluffylandmine]

I think the reason some people hate vegetarians and animal activists is because the only ones they hear about are the ones that tell you your a murderer for eating meat and throw paint one people wearing fur. They dont know that the majority of of vegetarians that simply make a moral choice not to eat anything that involved the killing of an animal or fish.
Kinda like how people tend to not like people who hunt becuase the only kind they hear about are the ones who shoot out of thier truck window and just leave the animal to die, which is rare but they get all the attention. It basicly boils down to only hearing about the few kind of people who are pricks about it, and not hearing about the majority of people who are normal people like me and u and just made a moral choice. I think anyway

ok we have a winner!, and I am a responsible hunter and responsible hunters are insulted by those yahoos so I know what is meant through first hand experience. I hunt because I like the food that is coming from what I hunt. So I understand why people don't eat meat because they just don't like it. If you don't like my lifestyle, fine. If you try to make me change say hello to the business end of whatever I can have my hands on.

And yes the loudest will be heard, but they are the easiest targets.

 

[PurpleRain]

Vegeterians: No problem with them. I think it's great they're making their own ways in life. Unless they make me feel bad for eating meat, then poo poo to them. But I generally don't care. I know what animals go through to get to my tummy and don't really dwell on it too much. I like animals too much to become a Vege.

Vegans however I find are pushing boudries a bit far. Not drinking milk, eating eggs or cheese? I don't hate them, I don't understand them either.

Now I'm hungry.