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...500,000 U.S. dead... no sir that is not right. It was just a little over 200,000 wounded AND dead. Bout 150000 US wounded, a little under 60,000 dead. Half a million is a MAJOR overestimation.AmrasCalmacil said:
I wouldn't really say there's a ton of games. There were a significant number last generation (but not alot of good ones) and this generation, aside from the concept of nazi zombies put in vietnam and then gone horribly, horribly wrong offering of shellshock 2, A few levels in black ops and the BC2 vietnam add on are the only ones I can think of.TaboriHK said:
I think it comes down to videogame's current position as a artistic medium. America will gladly handle vietnam in movies, where it can be seen as artisticly justifiable, even when it isn't (I'm looking at you, air america. You...you weren't that good) but in videogames, if someone makes a game about vietnam, there's so much more risk of people blindly calling it disrespectful without even playing it, and to be honest, in this occasion, we can't usually give any examples to fight back with. Sure, aside from possibly shell shock 2, No games have been directly disrespectful of the losses of the vietnam war, but they've hardly been as thoughtful as say, full metal jacket or platoon.
I'm not saying BC2 vietnam, black ops, or any other game mentioned would be instantly wrong to set themselves there, far from it. If it makes a good game and isn't directly aiming to offend, then go for it. I'm just saying that I would like a game that covered the conflict with the same sort of depth as some of the films about it have, as I would for any conflict.
On the topic of America's loss...
America was actually finishing the last dregs of Vietcong, and preparing to pull out when the Tet Offensive occured.
A certain general had informed the people that, 'The light can be seen at the end of the tunnel' the day before the offensive.
Even though the Vietcong casualties had been much worse than the meager American casualties, the guerrillas last stand made him look like a lying prick.
They were forced to withdraw at last due to an overwhelming outcry by the American public.
This enabled the North Vietnam government to absolutely swamp whatever meager South Vietnam defense remained.
I believe that America lost the war in the end simply because they were forced to withdraw.
If they had remained, it might have enabled South Vietnam to recover from their losses and develop a concrete foundation on which to prosper.
America was actually finishing the last dregs of Vietcong, and preparing to pull out when the Tet Offensive occured.
A certain general had informed the people that, 'The light can be seen at the end of the tunnel' the day before the offensive.
Even though the Vietcong casualties had been much worse than the meager American casualties, the guerrillas last stand made him look like a lying prick.
They were forced to withdraw at last due to an overwhelming outcry by the American public.
This enabled the North Vietnam government to absolutely swamp whatever meager South Vietnam defense remained.
I believe that America lost the war in the end simply because they were forced to withdraw.
If they had remained, it might have enabled South Vietnam to recover from their losses and develop a concrete foundation on which to prosper.
I see you're point, but I still don't think it would sell poorly just for that reason. If it's fun to play I'll play it no matter if my side loses or not.henritje said:
I think two major franchises this year IS a lot, in addition to the old library. Keep in mind this is an old AND unpopular war. Vietnam games can only really capitalize on the paranoia and negativity we associate with it, and yet we get at least one every cycle. That's more than we've seen in say, the Korean War.Doclector said:
You're right about all of this. It's hard to say if the war would truly be 'winnable' in terms of not devolving into an Iraq War-esque situation, but the Tet Offensive was just as major a political victory as it was a military defeat, and our media calling the war "unwinnable" became a self-fulfilling prophecy.8-Bit Grin said:
Well... considering Vietnam wasn't a very good war for us to be in anyways, and the fact that we didn't exactly do too well in it, and the fact that most of the country was against it, and the fact that most people who were in the Vietnam War don't really like to talk about it too much (My Grandfather was in it and he still refuses to talk about it.), it doesn't surprise me that there isn't that many 'Nam games.
The reason, because the American media exists to destroy anything which offends the 'red, white and blue' ..
But seriously, how can you sell a game to a country who is so bitter over what you're selling.. Fox news would just get some old guy in to say how bad war is.. then they'd say how well their 'brilliant heroes' in Afghan are doing..
Anyway, many games have been done there just aren't enough producers with balls to do something so controversial, or demand for a game in which the 'heroes of the world' lose (considering they went into it with the world's largest military, expensive hardware and gunships and still lost to an LEDC country even though they started it kind of means that they failed in their mission and therefore lost)
In WW1 the Germans quit before the Commonwealth/American forces reached Berlin and made them surrender by destroying German Imperial Command (the British objective for Christmas 1914..) means that Germany won.. I think not and so the USA lost in Vietnam because they quit..
But seriously, how can you sell a game to a country who is so bitter over what you're selling.. Fox news would just get some old guy in to say how bad war is.. then they'd say how well their 'brilliant heroes' in Afghan are doing..
Anyway, many games have been done there just aren't enough producers with balls to do something so controversial, or demand for a game in which the 'heroes of the world' lose (considering they went into it with the world's largest military, expensive hardware and gunships and still lost to an LEDC country even though they started it kind of means that they failed in their mission and therefore lost)
In WW1 the Germans quit before the Commonwealth/American forces reached Berlin and made them surrender by destroying German Imperial Command (the British objective for Christmas 1914..) means that Germany won.. I think not and so the USA lost in Vietnam because they quit..
Ah, my mistake.halo3rulzer said:
Thank you for pointing that out.
Editing will fix that in a moment.
As has been noted, Vietnam games have been made.
But 19 really isn't that many. Especially when you consider that combined, Medal of Honor and Call of Duty alone have made more than that many World War II games. And those are just FPSs.
So it's not so much that there are no Vietnam games...there just aren't many, especially by comparison.
But 19 really isn't that many. Especially when you consider that combined, Medal of Honor and Call of Duty alone have made more than that many World War II games. And those are just FPSs.
So it's not so much that there are no Vietnam games...there just aren't many, especially by comparison.
In most languages I know it's one word. Norwegian, Swedish, Danish, English. However in Spanish and German it's possible to use both. The language we're using on this site is English so one word is correct.Rosicrucian said:
I've only tried Shellshock and Battlefield Vietnam, but as mentioned there's a few others too.
Games were we lose wars are surprisingly well sold around this country here 
so why should the mericans be so bitchin about it?
we still had the better uniform designer
so why should the mericans be so bitchin about it?we still had the better uniform designer
If i remember correctly conflict vietnam did a fairly decent portrayal of jungle fighting. Punji traps and other stuff like that.
The civilian population got real time video streams of war crimes happening overseas in Vietnam that the politicians were obscuring for sake of wanting to "OMGZ STOP UR COMMUNISMS!". It wasn't the fact that soldiers were dying, it was the fact that the majority of people soldiers were killing were civilians in the first place. Nice try, though.Malyc said:
The key problem with Vietnam is that after the Tet Offensive in January of 68, all the US had to do was march north and conquer north Vietnam and the war would have been over, but, instead, politics ruled what the south and decided what the soldiers could and could not do and that is why the US withdrew from Vietnam disgracefully, if they made a game, it would extremely bitter towards politicians.trech125 said:
As it went in Full Metal Jacket...ShadowsofHope said:
"Anyone who runs, is a VC. Anyone who stands still, is a well diciplined VC. Hahahah!"
"I got 157 kills, all confirmed."
"Any women or children?"
"Sometimes."
"How could you shoot women and children!?"
"Easy, you just don't lead them so much. Hahahah! Ain't war hell? Hahahah!"
It wasn't exactly one of the more glorious moments in USA history, or the history of the army. I think we also remember who actually won that fight - both factors, as has been explained before, that contribute to general reluctantness of game-makes or at least the funders, regarding the Vietnam war.
And the fairly carefree way of spreading napalm didn't exactly help matters either.