Jesus Christ why? I really ended up hating those marines even though I was controlling one of them.dyre said:I do feel bad for the CIS, though an alliance with the dark side is not a good long term strategy. The Empire straight-up sucks though.
As for my own ideas, hmmm...would it be a cop-out if I said I'd side with the marines in Spec-Ops The Line? Also, I'd side against Napoleon in Napoleon: Total War
Villains you would join if given the choice between them and the "good guys".
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I can get not liking Lelouch, but to be motivated to join Team Cornelia? That's a little harsh. The King is also on that team and I find him more insufferable than Lelouch. They're trying to destroy the cultural identity of a race, and they're assholes. But the good thing about Code Geass is there is good and bad, but they come in different flavours. I'd be happy joining Team Euphemia or Team Suzaku, despite things I won't spoil.Zhukov said:
Also, as many others have said, Mutant Brotherhood, definitely. If I was lucky enough to even be a mutant. I'd probably be some pathetic mutant sympathising human, but if I were a mutant, I know exactly where I'd be. The X Men come across as incredibly naive in light of what humanity does to try and wipe mutants out, and humans are just scared of what they don't know and are acting stupidly.
Sure, like I said, they're pretty evil on the whole.MeChaNiZ3D said:
But at least they're not Mr How-The-Fuck-Do-People-Not-Fall-Over-Themselves-Laughing-Whenever-They-See-My-Outfit. That goes a long way in my book.
Plus Cornelia is/was kind of awesome once you filter out the anime-ish-ness. Granted, her dress sense is a bit lacking as well, but she's capable of handing out an arse kicking, she's competent without being handed some OP bullshit magic power, she's not unreasonable despite being aggressive and enjoying battle a little bit too much, she's mindful of her responsibilities and she dotes on her little sister, even if said sister is an insufferable little sack of hair.
Favourite moment in the show so far was when she effortlessly beat the shit out of Lelouch's OP flying bullshit robot using nothing but a standard mech and a bad temper... before falling victim to aforementioned OP bullshit magic.
Yup, definitely Team Powdered Wig for me.
Siding against Napoleon wouldn't exactly be joining the bad guy's from a historical point of view.dyre said:I do feel bad for the CIS, though an alliance with the dark side is not a good long term strategy. The Empire straight-up sucks though.
As for my own ideas, hmmm...would it be a cop-out if I said I'd side with the marines in Spec-Ops The Line? Also, I'd side against Napoleon in Napoleon: Total War
For all the scientific advancement under his command, he still was the agressor in the wars.
But given how the russian invasion and Waterloo went, joining Napoleon wouldn't be the best career move either.
joining the galactic empire?
No thanks, the Stormtroopers are terible shoots.
And your commander can choke you from a distance, just for pointing out a obvious flaw in his plans.
No, i would join COBRA.
Granded, they can't shoot for shit as well, but so does GI-Joe.
So the mortality rate is lower
They always have cool world domination plots that ultamtly fail.
But that just gives job security.
The matrix. Totally with the robots on this one.
You ever stop to think how many thousands of people the "good guys" killed? Not just the security guards and cops and such, but like when Neo flies through the street so fast he fucking explodes building behind him. "Oh he wants to save his girlfriend?" "What about the girlfriends of the thousand people he just killed?" "Fuck them, they're not on screen."
Their entire premise sucks too. They're killing innocents in droves for a profoundly shitty cause.
"Your perfectly normal and relatively decent lives are a lie! We'll bring you into a desolate, barren, and shitty world that couldn't possibly support you, EVEN IF WE HAVE TO STRAIGHT UP MURDER YOU AND YOUR FAMILY TO DO IT!"
Yeah. Sure thing, hero.
You ever stop to think how many thousands of people the "good guys" killed? Not just the security guards and cops and such, but like when Neo flies through the street so fast he fucking explodes building behind him. "Oh he wants to save his girlfriend?" "What about the girlfriends of the thousand people he just killed?" "Fuck them, they're not on screen."
Their entire premise sucks too. They're killing innocents in droves for a profoundly shitty cause.
"Your perfectly normal and relatively decent lives are a lie! We'll bring you into a desolate, barren, and shitty world that couldn't possibly support you, EVEN IF WE HAVE TO STRAIGHT UP MURDER YOU AND YOUR FAMILY TO DO IT!"
Yeah. Sure thing, hero.
You, sir and/or madam and/or other, have hit the nail right on the head. Shylock was, is, and will probably always be my one and only answer to the discussion prompt. There's just no beating how deliciously repugnant the "heroes" look once the play is over, once you see how low they've stooped in order to destroy his life and his fortunes. They don't just waste his money, they steal his family from him, they cheat the rest of his wealth from him, and they force him to denounce his own religion. What a bunch of morally just Venetians they are.MorganL4 said:
Hath not a Jew eyes? indeed.
The Helgans in Killzone.
Because the US- Uhm I mean UCN drove them out of the planets they bought from the UCN in the first place, just because the helghans was becoming more economically powerful than the UCN, and now when they try to take it back they are somehow the bad guys.
Also the Helghan soldiers look like bad-asses.
Because the US- Uhm I mean UCN drove them out of the planets they bought from the UCN in the first place, just because the helghans was becoming more economically powerful than the UCN, and now when they try to take it back they are somehow the bad guys.
Also the Helghan soldiers look like bad-asses.
Madara from Naruto Shipudden. Screw reality, put me into a fantasy dream where my desire come true!
I guess while we're on the subject of Star Wars, the Sith. But NOT for the reasons you would usually think.
I believe that both the Jedi and the Sith are narrow-minded. Each side has it's use and each side has its problems. For example, the Light side may generally act too defensive when the situation calls for a more offensive approach. Sometimes one must do evil acts for the greater good. And the problems with the Sith... Well, those are pretty obvious.
No, the best approach is one that learns from both sides, combining the good teachings and stripping out the lies from either one.
So having said that, I would join the the Sith, BUT ONLY for a set amount of time. Afterwards, I would join the Jedi, again for a set amount of time until I have successfully combined both disciplines.
I believe that both the Jedi and the Sith are narrow-minded. Each side has it's use and each side has its problems. For example, the Light side may generally act too defensive when the situation calls for a more offensive approach. Sometimes one must do evil acts for the greater good. And the problems with the Sith... Well, those are pretty obvious.
No, the best approach is one that learns from both sides, combining the good teachings and stripping out the lies from either one.
So having said that, I would join the the Sith, BUT ONLY for a set amount of time. Afterwards, I would join the Jedi, again for a set amount of time until I have successfully combined both disciplines.
I have a few here.
Zoltun Kulle from Diablo 3. Y'know why? Because he was right about everything. Sure he was a little on the power crazy side, but he rightfully predicted the big 'twist' later in the game. I wish I could have just lived as a god instead.
The Tau. Ok, they're not really 'villains' so to speak, but if I was a human living in the 41st millennium then propaganda would make them out as villains. I'd much rather serve the greater good than be given a lasgun and thrown at a swarm of 'nids.
The Fire Nation. Basically the Earth Kingdom was run by its military police whom had the war strategy of "pretend it isn't happening, and it will go away". Hell, maybe those outlying earth kingdom towns would actually thrive if their ruling class took an interest in them once in a while
Zoltun Kulle from Diablo 3. Y'know why? Because he was right about everything. Sure he was a little on the power crazy side, but he rightfully predicted the big 'twist' later in the game. I wish I could have just lived as a god instead.
The Tau. Ok, they're not really 'villains' so to speak, but if I was a human living in the 41st millennium then propaganda would make them out as villains. I'd much rather serve the greater good than be given a lasgun and thrown at a swarm of 'nids.
The Fire Nation. Basically the Earth Kingdom was run by its military police whom had the war strategy of "pretend it isn't happening, and it will go away". Hell, maybe those outlying earth kingdom towns would actually thrive if their ruling class took an interest in them once in a while
Where do I begin? gosh...
I would definitely join the Empire and/or the Sith (depending on timeframe).
I would join Magneto and the brotherhood.
I'd be a demon if I were in the Charmed universe.
There is no question that I would have accepted Yggdrasill's world view and joined Cruxis in Tales of Symphonia.
I would duel alongside Pegasus in Yugioh (and/or Kaiba depending on how you view him as an anti-hero).
And speaking of Anti-heroes, I would have joined Vegeta every time he was evil.
I would definitely serve under Ganandorf in any Zelda universe.
I'd have chosen Sephiroth's, Seifer's and Kuja's side in their respective Final Fantasy's - and Maester Seymour's as well come to think of it.
Beyblading with Kai would have been an easy choice (I don't remember much about that show since the last time I saw it was like 10 years ago but I do remember Kai being bad and awesome).
When Grand Apothecary Putress plague bombed the Wrathgate and killed scourge and the living I was so happy to accept my new Forsaken way of life, I would have followed Putress and Varimthras to the grave.
I would have joined Gaius and the Chimeriad in Tales of Xillia.
I always take Choas's side in all the Final Fantasy spin-offs (Theatrythym, dissidia).
That's about all that comes to mind at the moment though I can't think of many times I've ever sided with the good guys, I find good guys so boring and unmotivated (or motivated for boring reasons). When I am siding with the 'good guys' their 'good-ness' is usually marginal - Like Thranduil in the Hobbit.
I've talked at length to friends about the good vs. evil thing and there is absolutely no question that if I were to attain or manifest supernatural powers, I would use them for evil... maybe not outright evil but I wouldn't burden myself with lame rules and I would pretty much do whatever I wanted until I decide it is time to take over the world.
EDIT: Joining Voldemort and becoming a death eater is a no brainer for me too, I mean, come on, who would want to fight fair and not use forbidden spells when the bad guys CAN and DO use forbidden spells one of which is an INSTANT DEATH spell.
I would definitely join the Empire and/or the Sith (depending on timeframe).
I would join Magneto and the brotherhood.
I'd be a demon if I were in the Charmed universe.
There is no question that I would have accepted Yggdrasill's world view and joined Cruxis in Tales of Symphonia.
I would duel alongside Pegasus in Yugioh (and/or Kaiba depending on how you view him as an anti-hero).
And speaking of Anti-heroes, I would have joined Vegeta every time he was evil.
I would definitely serve under Ganandorf in any Zelda universe.
I'd have chosen Sephiroth's, Seifer's and Kuja's side in their respective Final Fantasy's - and Maester Seymour's as well come to think of it.
Beyblading with Kai would have been an easy choice (I don't remember much about that show since the last time I saw it was like 10 years ago but I do remember Kai being bad and awesome).
When Grand Apothecary Putress plague bombed the Wrathgate and killed scourge and the living I was so happy to accept my new Forsaken way of life, I would have followed Putress and Varimthras to the grave.
I would have joined Gaius and the Chimeriad in Tales of Xillia.
I always take Choas's side in all the Final Fantasy spin-offs (Theatrythym, dissidia).
That's about all that comes to mind at the moment though I can't think of many times I've ever sided with the good guys, I find good guys so boring and unmotivated (or motivated for boring reasons). When I am siding with the 'good guys' their 'good-ness' is usually marginal - Like Thranduil in the Hobbit.
I've talked at length to friends about the good vs. evil thing and there is absolutely no question that if I were to attain or manifest supernatural powers, I would use them for evil... maybe not outright evil but I wouldn't burden myself with lame rules and I would pretty much do whatever I wanted until I decide it is time to take over the world.
EDIT: Joining Voldemort and becoming a death eater is a no brainer for me too, I mean, come on, who would want to fight fair and not use forbidden spells when the bad guys CAN and DO use forbidden spells one of which is an INSTANT DEATH spell.
Doctor Doom.
Seriously, he's the one genius in the Marvel Universe that not only invents useful tech but SHARES IT WITH HIS PEOPLE. The people of Latveria are all well fed, 100% employment and probably all have free fiber optic internet on their quantum computers. Yeah, there is a distinct lack of "Freedom", but freedom to do what exactly? All of their basic needs are being met, and if a person is healthy and fed, then every other problem falls by the wayside.
Seriously, think on this. In the US we have massive income inequality, pollution, corruption, unemployment, starvation and shitty healthcare. In a land like that, you want Freedom of Speech to ***** about your life. But if you live in a place with NONE of that....what is there to complain about? Plus, you know crime in Latveria has got to be REALLY low.
Seriously, he's the one genius in the Marvel Universe that not only invents useful tech but SHARES IT WITH HIS PEOPLE. The people of Latveria are all well fed, 100% employment and probably all have free fiber optic internet on their quantum computers. Yeah, there is a distinct lack of "Freedom", but freedom to do what exactly? All of their basic needs are being met, and if a person is healthy and fed, then every other problem falls by the wayside.
Seriously, think on this. In the US we have massive income inequality, pollution, corruption, unemployment, starvation and shitty healthcare. In a land like that, you want Freedom of Speech to ***** about your life. But if you live in a place with NONE of that....what is there to complain about? Plus, you know crime in Latveria has got to be REALLY low.
yeah id so go deatheater, only you know id kill half those idiots put voldy in a catatonic state and rule though his sleeping soon to be dead corpse. Its funny how easy that would be for a muggle born in those books as most wizards know nothing about guns.Whatislove said:
The empire from the old republic; honestly they should have won that war but you know......sith were in charge.
Solidus Snake from Metal Gear Solid 2. He wanted to liberate the world from the Patriots' grasp, because their censorship of information prevented people from passing on their culture and ideas to others.
That said, he was also rather amoral, ruthlessly exploiting others to achieve his goals, and killing innocents when it suited him. As he said himself, more than anything, he was out to make his mark in history, and leave a legacy by which he would be remembered.
That said, he was also rather amoral, ruthlessly exploiting others to achieve his goals, and killing innocents when it suited him. As he said himself, more than anything, he was out to make his mark in history, and leave a legacy by which he would be remembered.
I'm talking about the marines, not the Delta Force operatives which you controljosak said:Jesus Christ why? I really ended up hating those marines even though I was controlling one of them.dyre said:I do feel bad for the CIS, though an alliance with the dark side is not a good long term strategy. The Empire straight-up sucks though.
As for my own ideas, hmmm...would it be a cop-out if I said I'd side with the marines in Spec-Ops The Line? Also, I'd side against Napoleon in Napoleon: Total War
Admiral Aken Bosch. If there was ever an anti-hero demonized for trying to save... Well... Everything, it was him. The fact that he despises the animals who follow him and his admission that he is now powerless to stop them make him very tragic to me. I figure he could use a friend
Well, the OP said "good and bad given the framework of the game," not good and bad historically. Also I would say Napoleon's greatest achievements were in government and law.Jeroenr said:Siding against Napoleon wouldn't exactly be joining the bad guy's from a historical point of view.dyre said:I do feel bad for the CIS, though an alliance with the dark side is not a good long term strategy. The Empire straight-up sucks though.
As for my own ideas, hmmm...would it be a cop-out if I said I'd side with the marines in Spec-Ops The Line? Also, I'd side against Napoleon in Napoleon: Total War
For all the scientific advancement under his command, he still was the agressor in the wars.
But given how the russian invasion and Waterloo went, joining Napoleon wouldn't be the best career move either.
joining the galactic empire?
No thanks, the Stormtroopers are terible shoots.
And your commander can choke you from a distance, just for pointing out a obvious flaw in his plans.
No, i would join COBRA.
Granded, they can't shoot for shit as well, but so does GI-Joe.
So the mortality rate is lower
They always have cool world domination plots that ultamtly fail.
But that just gives job security.
Actually, many of Napoleon's generals ended up taking high ranking government posts when the new French republic was restored, so it's not all bad. But I still think I'd side with Wellington.