Violence sucks.
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It sure is a bad day. Possibly at this point the worst day of your friend's life. Did they find out who it was? Whoever it was, they either need to be locked up in a prison or a mental institution (also a prison but has padded walls).
I would like to know what exactly goes through the heads of those people.
I would like to know what exactly goes through the heads of those people.
Wow; Violence sucks? This is a revelation to me. I've never thought about it that way. Please impart onto me more of your wisdom. Is rape bad? Is war not unambiguously moral?
Edit: Where do you live, that getting bashed repeatedly in the face with a crowbar is considered a "Bad Day?"
Well that's stupid. Report it to the police. It's a serious crime. That's what they're there for.crunchieman said:
Edit: Where do you live, that getting bashed repeatedly in the face with a crowbar is considered a "Bad Day?"
With a crime of that magnitude and considering the age, I honestly hope that psycho is tried and convicted as an adult, and hope that your friend sues him for every penny that bastard will ever make.
Seriously, theres always ways to work things out without resorting to violence; violence is a last-ditch no-options left kinda thing in my opinion (Ive been punched in the face before, and just took it until someone pried the person off of me). Resorting to violence over text messages, all I have to say is grow the fuck up.
Seriously. I hope your friend makes has a good recovery and wont face life-long difficulty because of this. (Assuming they can, Im not sure on the stipulations) I hope your friend sues this psycho and presses charges. Your friend might have a wired jaw for 6 weeks, but garnishing that lunatics wages for the rest of his life will probably be a bigger hit below the belt in the end. And if you cant sue him for damages, Im sure that prison will beat some sence into him.
Also: While its ultimately upto a person, his family, or friends to report the situation to the police, dont worry what other people will say. Yeah, a few idiots will call you a pussy, but an idiot like him doesnt deserve to walk the streets. At the very least the situation should be discussed with the family; who should help him reach a decision. Dont be afriad to do the right thing because of other people calling you a pussy. If you think other violence will come from the issue, you should talk to the police about that as well. But thats just my opinion.
Seriously, theres always ways to work things out without resorting to violence; violence is a last-ditch no-options left kinda thing in my opinion (Ive been punched in the face before, and just took it until someone pried the person off of me). Resorting to violence over text messages, all I have to say is grow the fuck up.
Seriously. I hope your friend makes has a good recovery and wont face life-long difficulty because of this. (Assuming they can, Im not sure on the stipulations) I hope your friend sues this psycho and presses charges. Your friend might have a wired jaw for 6 weeks, but garnishing that lunatics wages for the rest of his life will probably be a bigger hit below the belt in the end. And if you cant sue him for damages, Im sure that prison will beat some sence into him.
Also: While its ultimately upto a person, his family, or friends to report the situation to the police, dont worry what other people will say. Yeah, a few idiots will call you a pussy, but an idiot like him doesnt deserve to walk the streets. At the very least the situation should be discussed with the family; who should help him reach a decision. Dont be afriad to do the right thing because of other people calling you a pussy. If you think other violence will come from the issue, you should talk to the police about that as well. But thats just my opinion.
Yeah. Try this one: When watching the Saw films, do you consider Jigsaw to be the hero?FolkLikePanda said:
Is mr. 17 year old face fucking retarded? Beating someone's face in for sending texts to his girlfriend? Just getting annoyed over someone x's in a text to your girlfriend is stupid. Beating someone's face in because of it = insecure, stupid, violent and disgusting fuck who should not exist in this world. Let him rot in prison, please. But chances are that he'll get a year or two for assault, then his record's clean for being a juvie. The world really sucks.
Give your friend my best wishes. Hope he's alright.
Though when you mention GTA4, I never liked the whole running down/beating up innocent pedestrians part of the game. And then the part where you can finish off a wounded enemy while they begged for you to let them live? I hated it. Liked the rest of the game though.
Give your friend my best wishes. Hope he's alright.
Though when you mention GTA4, I never liked the whole running down/beating up innocent pedestrians part of the game. And then the part where you can finish off a wounded enemy while they begged for you to let them live? I hated it. Liked the rest of the game though.
Horrible day!
And Jesus, thats one messed up young man. Imagine if he had CALLED her or something. We'd have a teen re-enactment of the pistol whipping scene from Goodfellas on our hands! That guy needs an outlet, and his girlfriend needs to get the fuck away from that guy before she gets the Henry Hill treatment
And Jesus, thats one messed up young man. Imagine if he had CALLED her or something. We'd have a teen re-enactment of the pistol whipping scene from Goodfellas on our hands! That guy needs an outlet, and his girlfriend needs to get the fuck away from that guy before she gets the Henry Hill treatment
That's assuming he gets caught. Real world isn't CSI. How much man power do you think the local police department will dedicate to tracking down a guy that beats up a known bully/troublemaker? That said, getting the cops on him might be the best solution, but both are viable options.Sovvolf said:
They're not good or bad as absolutes. Personally I consider them bad, but there's no absolute "truth" here. They're crimes because they disrupt other people's lives, cause them harm, not because of judgmental values.oktalist said:
That's also the reason several laws are simply outright wrong, because they're ignorantly based on personal values and not on justice.
You are arguing that violent video games are somewhat to blame for this. You are Mistaken, sir. Violent videogames are made because people have a thirst for violence. This is a trait that is prominently displayed throughout human history. It doesn't make it right, but it is a part of us, and videogames are not to blame. Pol Pot didn't have himself no videogames. Neither did Stalin or his NKVD/KGB goons. Neither did the Nazis. Neither did the Hell's angels back in the 70's. Neither did the Genocidal leaders of the Rwandan Civil war. Neither do the other genocidal leaders of the Congo civil war (which has killed FIVE MILLION PEOPLE by the way). Nor did the Triads or the numerous criminal gangs that have existed throughout all of human history.
Yes, it is never funny when an innocent person gets attacked viciously in real life. GTA IV is NOT real life. I have the intelligence to differentiate between the two, like most gamers. I liked inFamous, but I am not going to try to electrocute myself. I love Bomberman, but I have no desire to see people blown apart from bombs.
You can argue that we laugh at violence in videogames, so we trivialize violence in real life. Not so. Ever read Catch-22? A funny book, but that doesn't immunize us against the horrors of war. I certainly don't laugh when real-life bureaucratic stuff-ups get people killed.
And let me tell you this - no matter how much I enjoy FPS games, I do not, for a moment, laugh at what happened at My Lai. Or what happened at Hiroshima or Pearl Harbour or 9/11. I do not laugh at the tragedies suffered by the Armenians during the WW1-era genocide. In fact, reading up on those cases keeps me up at night.
Let me put it to you this way - have YOU, the thread starter, ever laughed at cartoon violence? Have you ever watched an episode of the Simpsons or Futurama, many of which contain violence, and laughed? Did you ever watch an episode of Wile.E.Coyote and chortle? Then I guess you're some kind of monster like you make us out to me.
This is unless, of course, you are a killjoy who seeks to blame society for the failings of one person. That 17 year old is responsible for his actions, and his actions are despicable, and I hope he serves a lengthy time in jail for what he did.
Yes, it is never funny when an innocent person gets attacked viciously in real life. GTA IV is NOT real life. I have the intelligence to differentiate between the two, like most gamers. I liked inFamous, but I am not going to try to electrocute myself. I love Bomberman, but I have no desire to see people blown apart from bombs.
You can argue that we laugh at violence in videogames, so we trivialize violence in real life. Not so. Ever read Catch-22? A funny book, but that doesn't immunize us against the horrors of war. I certainly don't laugh when real-life bureaucratic stuff-ups get people killed.
And let me tell you this - no matter how much I enjoy FPS games, I do not, for a moment, laugh at what happened at My Lai. Or what happened at Hiroshima or Pearl Harbour or 9/11. I do not laugh at the tragedies suffered by the Armenians during the WW1-era genocide. In fact, reading up on those cases keeps me up at night.
Let me put it to you this way - have YOU, the thread starter, ever laughed at cartoon violence? Have you ever watched an episode of the Simpsons or Futurama, many of which contain violence, and laughed? Did you ever watch an episode of Wile.E.Coyote and chortle? Then I guess you're some kind of monster like you make us out to me.
This is unless, of course, you are a killjoy who seeks to blame society for the failings of one person. That 17 year old is responsible for his actions, and his actions are despicable, and I hope he serves a lengthy time in jail for what he did.
Edit: Where do you live, that getting bashed repeatedly in the face with a crowbar is considered a "Bad Day?"[/quote]
It has been reported to the police and I'll find out whats going to happen over the next few days.
But to answer your question were I live isn't that rough. It was just kind of treated like he's alive so it's ok. And the assailant's (thanks for the word
) friends were just like ya you got that **** and I hate how everyones treating like nothing because he's ok. I mean he was lucky his jaw wasnt broken worse.
I don't think it was a full swing with a crossbar to the face or else it would of been worse for my friend. Before I had talked to my friend I was relying on other peoples information so hard to know just how bad it had been. But after talking to him (well texting him) he told me it was more of one hit and a few punches and a jab or two with the straight end of the crowbar.
Anyway the guy who did it is going to be gone for a long time. Which I could not be happier about.
It has been reported to the police and I'll find out whats going to happen over the next few days.
But to answer your question were I live isn't that rough. It was just kind of treated like he's alive so it's ok. And the assailant's (thanks for the word
) friends were just like ya you got that **** and I hate how everyones treating like nothing because he's ok. I mean he was lucky his jaw wasnt broken worse.I don't think it was a full swing with a crossbar to the face or else it would of been worse for my friend. Before I had talked to my friend I was relying on other peoples information so hard to know just how bad it had been. But after talking to him (well texting him) he told me it was more of one hit and a few punches and a jab or two with the straight end of the crowbar.
Anyway the guy who did it is going to be gone for a long time. Which I could not be happier about.
I am not arguing that violent video games are to blame I just meant to say that I myself have done that in a video game. And the transfer from that fiction to this reality is what my point was.
Btw going to edit the o.p to correct that.
Btw going to edit the o.p to correct that.
Ridiculous. Report it to the fucking police and get the bastard charged. This isn't about telling tales at school, it is a bloody assault and if someone has sufficient lack of impulse control that the next time they hit someone in the face three times with a crowbar they will kill them.crunchieman said:
Then you're making the value judgement that disrupting others' lives or causing them harm is bad. Judgement does not mean in the biblical sense of the word. Value judgements are not absolute; they're just as subjective as anything else. A value judgement happens whenever anyone perceives something as being good or bad. If they're irrelevant then what it the point of the police and courts?Caliostro said:
Stop the violence or we will kill you!
Okay, in all seriousness now.
If he beats someone in the face with a crowbar, which is actually VERY likely to be lethal (as evident from prior incidents with crowbar attacks and games such as Half-Life, where Gordon practically defeats two alien empires with a god damn crowbar), then he is seriously messed up and F'd in the head.
"Hurr durr, this guy sent 'XXX' in a text message to my girlfriend! He must be out to steal her!"
Yes.
Of course.
And every time I look at a bypassing woman, I am obviously romantically interested in her.
This guy needs to:
Get anger management.
Go see a psychiatrist.
Break up with his girlfriend before he beats her as well.
Be dragged to court because he beat someone in the face with a god damn crowbar.
If we do all that, then...-
No, wait, he also needs to talk to some very nice people in white coats.
Anyway, if we do all that, then I think that we could possibly get rid of the tosser.
If that fails, I guess he can always get a rehab and be turned into a productive member of society and bla-di-blah.
~Dott
Okay, in all seriousness now.
If he beats someone in the face with a crowbar, which is actually VERY likely to be lethal (as evident from prior incidents with crowbar attacks and games such as Half-Life, where Gordon practically defeats two alien empires with a god damn crowbar), then he is seriously messed up and F'd in the head.
"Hurr durr, this guy sent 'XXX' in a text message to my girlfriend! He must be out to steal her!"
Yes.
Of course.
And every time I look at a bypassing woman, I am obviously romantically interested in her.
This guy needs to:
Get anger management.
Go see a psychiatrist.
Break up with his girlfriend before he beats her as well.
Be dragged to court because he beat someone in the face with a god damn crowbar.
If we do all that, then...-
No, wait, he also needs to talk to some very nice people in white coats.
Anyway, if we do all that, then I think that we could possibly get rid of the tosser.
If that fails, I guess he can always get a rehab and be turned into a productive member of society and bla-di-blah.
~Dott
No, I'm not making any judgment of values. It's based on logic and functionality. Anarchy doesn't work (because people are way too stupid), and if laws are put in place to prevent anarchy and create a functional environment, they need to be based on logical principles, not personal values.oktalist said: