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Trivun

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Most of us have probably seen The Matrix. Some may even have seen it's sequels (yes, they do exist, stop pretending they don't. They exist just as much as Twilight or the Star Wars prequels, no amount of head-burying and la-la-la-ing will change that...). And so of course, we know about the virtual reality construct that is the Matrix itself.

I was just thinking, after posting something similar in another thread, about something I've long considered now. We've all seen the countless threads about what we would do in certain situations, if we play as good or evil in games, how we would survive the zombie apocalypse, and so on. Well, what if we could actually take part in these? What if the choices we make in a game were real ecisions, what if we were really fighting against the zombie hordes, or defending Earth from the alien onslaught, or finding the last feathers on the rooftops of Rennaisance Florence?

Imagine then, that virtual reality constructs have been developed, similar to the Matrix. Although without the plugs in your head, rather, it's like a cryo-chamber but without the freezing (think of the same sort of thing in the Yu-Gi-Oh! anime, if you've seen that). Assume that there are all sorts of safety features, so dying or injuries in-game don't affect you in real life, but you still feel what your character would feel in that situation. Also assume that games and technolog have been developed to the point where the virtual world interacts seamlessly as if it were real, for example, games take place in real-time and events in one place directly affect other parts and places, instead of everything being scripted (we're nowhere near that level of technology yet, but this is all hypothetical anyway).

In that case, with a fully realistic environment and safety features implemented, what would you do in a virtual reality game? What types of game would you want to play like this, and what would be your thoughts on the whole concept?

And while we're at it, what would you think if the technology could be extended so you could effectively take part in, and even change the plot and events of, you favourite books, TV shows and films? Assuming they were back to their original state afterwards...?
 

Cody211282

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I would be more for a holodeck then a matrix like VR. Also reenacting LOTR, Bonk, or Enders game would be awesome.
 

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i think pretty much everything you just said in that....... 14 lines can be summed up by the words "virtual reality".

as for what i think, yeah it would be great and i certainly hope to see some form of it in my remaining 90 years or so (fingers crossed). of course wed have to put up with those annoying people bitching about brain rotting
 

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What safety restrictions exactly? I'd want it to hurt when I get stabbed. Great incentive to not get stabbed.

Anyway, I'd probably play fantasy games. Scratch that, I'd want to play a game based on White Wolf's Exalted. I would conquer nations and live as a God-King. I would do unimaginable things to the very nature of the game itself using MAGIC SCIENCE! I would kill the living embodiment of Maliciousness. And maybe his fiance (or wife if they've already gotten married by this point) if she got in the way. I would craft people for literally nothing! And I'd make sure someone regulated how much I could play, because otherwise I would starve to death.
 

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I think Mecha games would be great for trying out VR tech.

Id love games like that, Fighting Games that work in the Style of Custom Robo and Dissidia, and RPGs/JRPGs.
 

Trivun

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infinity_turtles said:
What safety restrictions exactly? I'd want it to hurt when I get stabbed. Great incentive to not get stabbed.

Anyway, I'd probably play fantasy games. Scratch that, I'd want to play a game based on White Wolf's Exalted. I would conquer nations and live as a God-King. I would do unimaginable things to the very nature of the game itself using MAGIC SCIENCE! I would kill the living embodiment of Maliciousness. And maybe his fiance (or wife if they've already gotten married by this point) if she got in the way. I would craft people for literally nothing! And I'd make sure someone regulated how much I could play, because otherwise I would starve to death.
When I say safety, I just meant that you won't die or be in a coma or whatever. I just anticipated people who've seen the films or played any of the .\\hack game series saying that there'd be the danger of dying in-game equalling dying in real life, which is just silly. So if you die in-game, you'll just return to a previously saved point or get logged out of the system. Of course pain will still be the same, there'd be no point if you were, say, playing VR Gears of War and there was no pain or injury in being shot. You may as well treat it as a walking holiday otherwise...

Oh, and to counter people being in-game for hours at a time and wasting away without existing in the real world, there would be built in timers that manage how long you play and automatically save the game, log you out, and eject you from the system at certain times, and prevent access for another set amount of time. So people can't just spend ages and starve to death/dehydrate while playing.
 

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I'm going to ignore that giant chunk of text up there, and say that virtual reality would really be great for the gaming industry, as you could really do anything you wanted (crazy awesome samurai fights), and it's really the only way "realistic" shooters could really work.
 

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Trivun said:
infinity_turtles said:
What safety restrictions exactly? I'd want it to hurt when I get stabbed. Great incentive to not get stabbed.

Anyway, I'd probably play fantasy games. Scratch that, I'd want to play a game based on White Wolf's Exalted. I would conquer nations and live as a God-King. I would do unimaginable things to the very nature of the game itself using MAGIC SCIENCE! I would kill the living embodiment of Maliciousness. And maybe his fiance (or wife if they've already gotten married by this point) if she got in the way. I would craft people for literally nothing! And I'd make sure someone regulated how much I could play, because otherwise I would starve to death.
When I say safety, I just meant that you won't die or be in a coma or whatever. I just anticipated people who've seen the films or played any of the .\\hack game series saying that there'd be the danger of dying in-game equalling dying in real life, which is just silly. So if you die in-game, you'll just return to a previously saved point or get logged out of the system. Of course pain will still be the same, there'd be no point if you were, say, playing VR Gears of War and there was no pain or injury in being shot. You may as well treat it as a walking holiday otherwise...
Well it's not silly, if you are convinced it is real and you are convinced you are stabbed and convinced you are bleeding to death your heart would thunder away till you pretty much have a heart attack.

OT: KotOR and pretty much all of BioWare's Back Catalogue (Even Jade Empire if I can do more that three stupid moves).
 

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I'm going to say that seeing virtual reality, whether in a holodeck style or as a piece of equipment will only be slightly better than the visual boy at the moment. The computing hardware, the developer tools, and the money, the will, and the market; just aren't matching up at the moment. By 2020 we should atleast hear something in my opinion, but then again, they could end up as the next hover cars; possible, but not worth the effort and money.
 

Trivun

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manythings said:
Trivun said:
infinity_turtles said:
What safety restrictions exactly? I'd want it to hurt when I get stabbed. Great incentive to not get stabbed.

Anyway, I'd probably play fantasy games. Scratch that, I'd want to play a game based on White Wolf's Exalted. I would conquer nations and live as a God-King. I would do unimaginable things to the very nature of the game itself using MAGIC SCIENCE! I would kill the living embodiment of Maliciousness. And maybe his fiance (or wife if they've already gotten married by this point) if she got in the way. I would craft people for literally nothing! And I'd make sure someone regulated how much I could play, because otherwise I would starve to death.
When I say safety, I just meant that you won't die or be in a coma or whatever. I just anticipated people who've seen the films or played any of the .\\hack game series saying that there'd be the danger of dying in-game equalling dying in real life, which is just silly. So if you die in-game, you'll just return to a previously saved point or get logged out of the system. Of course pain will still be the same, there'd be no point if you were, say, playing VR Gears of War and there was no pain or injury in being shot. You may as well treat it as a walking holiday otherwise...
Well it's not silly, if you are convinced it is real and you are convinced you are stabbed and convinced you are bleeding to death your heart would thunder away till you pretty much have a heart attack.

OT: KotOR and pretty much all of BioWare's Back Catalogue (Even Jade Empire if I can do more that three stupid moves).
But that's why there would be a safety system, so things like a heart attack from such trauma wouldn't happen. All of these different possibilities would be factored in and tested substantially before such a system was released. Note that this is all hypothetical, since given our current technology even with motion control there is no way anything like this will be developed for a very long time to come, assuming it's even possible. But as I say, all of these potential problems would be integrated into the safety features so the problems can be countered ASAP.

As far as your concern about Jade Empire, the only limit to your moves would be your own real-life physical capabilities... :D
 

Trivun

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Bran Mugen said:
I'm going to say that seeing virtual reality, whether in a holodeck style or as a piece of equipment will only be slightly better than the visual boy at the moment. The computing hardware, the developer tools, and the money, the will, and the market; just aren't matching up at the moment. By 2020 we should atleast hear something in my opinion, but then again, they could end up as the next hover cars; possible, but not worth the effort and money.
I realise that and you make a good point, especially about the effort and money aspects, but bear in mind this is all just a hypothetical scenario. I personally doubt we'll see any precursors to this sort of technology even by 2020, unfortunately. Besides, I just think it'd be awesome to play L4D or Silent Hill 2 in virtual reality... ;)
 

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Trivun said:
manythings said:
physical capabilities meaning fat people cant be adventure types and short people cant ride motor cycles? seems like a less virtual and more reality ...that would be a bad thing i must say... you cant expect people to run in a zelda game for 8 hours do you...
 

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Trivun said:
manythings said:
Well it's not silly, if you are convinced it is real and you are convinced you are stabbed and convinced you are bleeding to death your heart would thunder away till you pretty much have a heart attack.

OT: KotOR and pretty much all of BioWare's Back Catalogue (Even Jade Empire if I can do more that three stupid moves).
But that's why there would be a safety system, so things like a heart attack from such trauma wouldn't happen. All of these different possibilities would be factored in and tested substantially before such a system was released. Note that this is all hypothetical, since given our current technology even with motion control there is no way anything like this will be developed for a very long time to come, assuming it's even possible. But as I say, all of these potential problems would be integrated into the safety features so the problems can be countered ASAP.

As far as your concern about Jade Empire, the only limit to your moves would be your own real-life physical capabilities... :D
We work on hormones to produce feelings the only way to stop the heart attack is to stop us actually experiencing the tension and fear caused by apparently real danger. The whole experience would be hollow and bland with that kind of control in place.

Every game would suck unless you are like a superfit bad ass with the "Your skills are your restrictions".
 

Bran Mugen

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Trivun said:
Bran Mugen said:
I'm going to say that seeing virtual reality, whether in a holodeck style or as a piece of equipment will only be slightly better than the visual boy at the moment. The computing hardware, the developer tools, and the money, the will, and the market; just aren't matching up at the moment. By 2020 we should atleast hear something in my opinion, but then again, they could end up as the next hover cars; possible, but not worth the effort and money.
I realise that and you make a good point, especially about the effort and money aspects, but bear in mind this is all just a hypothetical scenario. I personally doubt we'll see any precursors to this sort of technology even by 2020, unfortunately. Besides, I just think it'd be awesome to play L4D or Silent Hill 2 in virtual reality... ;)
Having those in virtual reality might make me piss my self, not in a good way. I don't like being surprised.
 

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GTA 4 would be my first choice. Real life more or less, but no consequences. Also, when it comes to pain, if I crash I obviusly want it to feel, but not much. Maybe something like if I'd fall out of my chair.

My second choice of game would be SSX 3. Riding down a mountain, doing flips, while being chased by an avalanche. Badass.

And thirdly I'd choose Left 4 Dead. Standing there along with Zoey, Francis, Bill and Louis (me being one of them of course). Though, I'd want to use an AR-15 or Beretta 92FS-C so I'm playing a modded version of Left 4 Dead with more weapons (and probably a nude mod for Zoey)


Oh, sorry, I posted this before reading the entire thread.

Well, if the chamber was backwards compatible, I'd still like to play these games.

If I'd have to pick a movie, I'd definitely want to be a Jedi in the Star Wars movies, or a bowman during one of the enormous Lord of the Rings battles.

I can't choose a book really, since I haven't read that many. The last good book I read was "Let the right one in" and as good as it was, I wouldn't want to be a vampire during that time.
It's all too depressing in that book.
 

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Frankly, the idea scares me. If technology were at that point that would be VR porn could be an option too. You don't have to try very hard to think about what would happen to the world if everyone had access to VR porn.

End of the world shit.
 

Trivun

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For the record, yes, all such technology would be completely backwards compatible with all possible compatible media. So yes, you could play stuff like Mario Kart or the original Halo if you wanted, without remakes having to be made...
 

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HG131 said:
Hiphophippo said:
Frankly, the idea scares me. If technology were at that point that would be VR porn could be an option too. You don't have to try very hard to think about what would happen to the world if everyone had access to VR porn.

End of the world shit.
Not to mention the fact that you could actually use fictional characters.
Neither you or I would be in this thread, that's for sure.
 

Trivun

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HG131 said:
Hiphophippo said:
HG131 said:
Hiphophippo said:
Frankly, the idea scares me. If technology were at that point that would be VR porn could be an option too. You don't have to try very hard to think about what would happen to the world if everyone had access to VR porn.

End of the world shit.
Not to mention the fact that you could actually use fictional characters.
Neither you or I would be in this thread, that's for sure.
Yeah. I'd actually have trouble deciding on who and how many. Characters from different Joss Whedon works (River, Dawn, Echo, Faith, and plenty of others) would keep me busy for months.
I figured that idea would come up sooner or later... Alhough regarding your choice of Joss Whedon characters, I definitely approve :D. Except I hate to think what the Japanophiles would do regarding VR hentai... (an odd proposition I know, and when I say Japanophiles I only mean the few who are into hentai and whatnot, but still...)

Brain bleach, BRAIN BLEACH!!!!!