Wall Funding

[Trunkage]

Where is this up to? Last time I remember is that Trump moved $3.7 billion from the military budget. Particularly Peurto Rico and Guam.

Then something was blocked a couple of weeks ago by the Dems. Like only $700 million.

But the wall isn't being worked on at the moment. And the bit that was done was easily broken through.

Does this make me current?

 

[SupahEwok]

I was actually wondering the other day what was up with the wall. I think Trump's safely swept his promise under the rug of all these other controversies he's become involved in. It'll probably get brought up in the election and he'll blame the terrorist and cartel loving Democrats.

 

[Baffle]

Didn't he decide to built it in Colorado instead?

 

[Kyrian007]

Didn't he decide to built it in Colorado instead?

That was the last about it I've heard. That was just after the "children can climb over it" revelation I think. I assumed that the wall in Colorado was just the wall he wanted to build around Battle Mountain and Vail to keep out "the poors."

 

[Agema]

Where is this up to? Last time I remember is that Trump moved $3.7 billion from the military budget. Particularly Peurto Rico and Guam.

Quietly brushed under the carpet, I suspect.

That said, Mexico has started rigorously enforcing control of movement - so perhaps in a way the wall exists, is made of flesh, dressed in khaki and paid for by Mexico after all.

 

[tstorm823]

Come the election, this will be an interesting issue. With all the wall funding they've designated, there's probably going to be a big construction push in 2020, so that Trump can say he built walls... but I don't think anti-Trump people would even believe it happened. He could realistically have a few hundred miles of fresh wall in total by the time the general election debates start, but if he makes that claim, would any of you believe him?

 

[TrulyBritish]

Come the election, this will be an interesting issue. With all the wall funding they've designated, there's probably going to be a big construction push in 2020, so that Trump can say he built walls... but I don't think anti-Trump people would even believe it happened. He could realistically have a few hundred miles of fresh wall in total by the time the general election debates start, but if he makes that claim, would any of you believe him?

Yeah, because people's problem with the wall was that it's totally impossible to build a wall, and not, you know, that he said Mexico would pay for it or that it'd be a huge waste of time (reminder, the wall can be cut through by what, a $100 saw you can buy at any tool shop they said). Not even going into the fact that he held up aid for dreamers to get money for the wall, declared a national emergency to get funding and shut down the federal government to get his way.

 

[generals3]

Come the election, this will be an interesting issue. With all the wall funding they've designated, there's probably going to be a big construction push in 2020, so that Trump can say he built walls... but I don't think anti-Trump people would even believe it happened. He could realistically have a few hundred miles of fresh wall in total by the time the general election debates start, but if he makes that claim, would any of you believe him?

Why wouldn't people believe him? What you seem to overlook is that people didn't oppose Trump's wall idea because they didn't believe he could build it. They did so because they believe it's a giant waste of money. And wasn't Mexico supposed to pay for it?

 

[ObsidianJones_v1legacy]

"I'm going to build a wall separating the United States with a Country very reminiscent of the Berlin Wall which we all at one point hated and maligned"

Umm. No. Don't do that. We all don't want it.

"Some do. And that's enough to change the landscape forever. Don't worry. The Brown people we all use to keep our way of life going (even me) will be affected not you."

... Yeah, I'm actually ok with those 'Brown People'.

"So, I got a really slim margin of our shared community to vote me as leader. I'm going to build that wall I was talking about. And I'm going to divert those funds from other places like the military. You remember the military? The group I say I care about a lot? Yeah, the Bulk of it will come from Military construction and School Education for our Troop's Children [https://www.cnbc.com/2019/09/04/pentagon-pulls-funds-for-military-schools-to-pay-for-trumps-border-wall.html]."

Are you kidding me? Super don't do that. These people are putting their lives on the line to make sure we are free. Their children above all deserve any benefit we can give them.

"I'm sorry, what? I can't hear you over the sound of me ignoring you and doing what I want! I'm also kicking out those brown people I was talking about. Some of those served in that Military thing, but I'm tasking the group who've ignored our promises to weigh their service in keeping them with us [https://www.military.com/daily-news/2019/06/09/ice-deporting-veterans-without-checking-their-service-status-watchdog-says.html]... because of Funsies!"

What The Hell, man?! Dude, are you listening to us [https://news.gallup.com/poll/246455/solid-majority-opposes-new-construction-border-wall.aspx]? 60% of this community really don't want the wall. And also, 81% of us would love to see those people have a fast track to becoming an official part of our community!

"40% are for this wall? Ok, I'm going to pretend 40% means all of our community. Because 40 is bigger than 30, right? Ok. Let's go. Build the wall!"

You did it. You actually did it. We've been saying over and over that we don't want this. You kicked out neighbors that we've fought hard to keep in our community. What the hell is wrong with you?

"Look, I don't get you. I said I was going to build a wall, and I built a wall. There's really no pleasing you guys."

This dramatization is sadly what's going on now, and Trump and his cult acts like we should be happy or give him credit for the thing we've saying over and over that we don't want. It's like me being confused why you don't want to support my promotion because I said I was going to punch your daughter in the face, and not understanding how following through with my promise didn't earn your instant respect.

 

[tstorm823]

Yeah, because people's problem with the wall was that it's totally impossible to build a wall, and not, you know, that he said Mexico would pay for it or that it'd be a huge waste of time (reminder, the wall can be cut through by what, a $100 saw you can buy at any tool shop they said). Not even going into the fact that he held up aid for dreamers to get money for the wall, declared a national emergency to get funding and shut down the federal government to get his way.

Yeah, because people's problem with the wall was that it's totally impossible to build a wall, and not, you know, that he said Mexico would pay for it or that it'd be a huge waste of time (reminder, the wall can be cut through by what, a $100 saw you can buy at any tool shop they said). Not even going into the fact that he held up aid for dreamers to get money for the wall, declared a national emergency to get funding and shut down the federal government to get his way.

That's not what I mean. I'm not suggesting people are against the wall because they thought it was impossible. I'm just saying if Trump stands up there and says "we built/are building the wall", the response is going to be a rounding "shur you did."

 

[Thaluikhain]

I'm just saying if Trump stands up there and says "we built/are building the wall", the response is going to be a rounding "shur you did."

Why? Why wouldn't people be condemning him for following through on a bad idea?

 

[tstorm823]

Why? Why wouldn't people be condemning him for following through on a bad idea?

Read every comment above mine in this thread.

 

[Avnger]

Yeah, because people's problem with the wall was that it's totally impossible to build a wall, and not, you know, that he said Mexico would pay for it or that it'd be a huge waste of time (reminder, the wall can be cut through by what, a $100 saw you can buy at any tool shop they said). Not even going into the fact that he held up aid for dreamers to get money for the wall, declared a national emergency to get funding and shut down the federal government to get his way.

Yeah, because people's problem with the wall was that it's totally impossible to build a wall, and not, you know, that he said Mexico would pay for it or that it'd be a huge waste of time (reminder, the wall can be cut through by what, a $100 saw you can buy at any tool shop they said). Not even going into the fact that he held up aid for dreamers to get money for the wall, declared a national emergency to get funding and shut down the federal government to get his way.

That's not what I mean. I'm not suggesting people are against the wall because they thought it was impossible. I'm just saying if Trump stands up there and says "we built/are building the wall", the response is going to be a rounding "shur you did."

Perhaps the President should stop making several provably lying statements every single day if he wants people to believe him when he makes a claim?

 

[Agema]

I don't think anti-Trump people would even believe it happened. He could realistically have a few hundred miles of fresh wall in total by the time the general election debates start, but if he makes that claim, would any of you believe him?

If reputable sources show a load of built wall, I think it'll be easy enough to believe it has occurred.

What I think people might be not inclined to believe without a great deal of convincing is that, if the wall is built, it will have significantly reduced immigration. That's what people against the wall won't want to accept rather than that the wall might be built.

 

[Trunkage]

Where is this up to? Last time I remember is that Trump moved $3.7 billion from the military budget. Particularly Peurto Rico and Guam.

Quietly brushed under the carpet, I suspect.

That said, Mexico has started rigorously enforcing control of movement - so perhaps in a way the wall exists, is made of flesh, dressed in khaki and paid for by Mexico after all.

So... we're back to 2014? Absolutely genius for a person who adamantly hates Obama.

Edit: What's the $3.7B doing right now? Just pending til.. what? Why can't he build half a wall right now and get some more later?

 

[Trunkage]

Come the election, this will be an interesting issue. With all the wall funding they've designated, there's probably going to be a big construction push in 2020, so that Trump can say he built walls... but I don't think anti-Trump people would even believe it happened. He could realistically have a few hundred miles of fresh wall in total by the time the general election debates start, but if he makes that claim, would any of you believe him?

I generally believe facts. The wall is not a fact. He has some money right now. He could've started months ago.

Here's a proposition for you. You know how you claim Pelosi is delaying the Impeachment stuff so it can have the most effect on the election. Same thing with the Wall. He's just delaying it, probably because 'build a wall' was so effective last time.

The alternative is that Trump has never had any intention of building the wall. Which, to me, is highly possible. His fans claim that he's a massive troll but what if he's been trolling his fans all along

 

[IceForce]

I'm just wondering what his supporters are going to do when they finally realize that his biggest election promise and the coattails that he rode in on, is nothing more than a lie and a sham.
If you can't deliver on the biggest promise of your campaign, then what good are you?

No doubt his supporters will handwave it away, or twist the blame onto somebody else. Or maybe they'll all just conveniently forget about the whole thing.

 

[Trunkage]

I'm just wondering what his supporters are going to do when they finally realize that his biggest election promise and the coattails that he rode in on, is nothing more than a lie and a sham.
If you can't deliver on the biggest promise of your campaign, then what good are you?

No doubt his supporters will handwave it away, or twist the blame onto somebody else. Or maybe they'll all just conveniently forget about the whole thing.

He's saying the Dems are blocking him all the way

Also, we might see something similar in Britain on December 12

 

[IceForce]

but if he makes that claim, would any of you believe him?

Claims are generally supported by evidence. If no evidence is provided, then there's no obligation to believe any of the claims.

 

[tstorm823]

Here's a proposition for you. You know how you claim Pelosi is delaying the Impeachment stuff so it can have the most effect on the election. Same thing with the Wall. He's just delaying it, probably because 'build a wall' was so effective last time.

I don't know if Trump is highly capable of long-term thinking like that, but I could buy that theory.