Walmart Fired me today for insabornation
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Really... nobody is going to comment on the fact that he was fired from Walmart for a reason that he couldn't successfully spell?
Anyway, put one more point in the "welcome to the real world" camp. If you're refusing to do something not in your job description when you're working a minimum wage at-will job, you shouldn't be surprised when you're let go and replaced by one of the thousands of other applicants on file.
You work that kind of job when you don't (yet) have an edge on a more competitive career type job- if you want money right now, suck it up and play the game until you can get yourself a resume worthy of better jobs. If not, then get yourself educated/certified to make yourself an asset to someone who will pay you to do something other than stocking shelves and pushing carts. Guess what- even when you have a nice salaried job, you'll still get asked to do things not in your job description, or outside of your area of expertise. Know what successful people do? Jobs that they're asked to do so that they can show how much of an asset they are, or delegate others to get it done for you, such as easily replaceable minimum wage at-will employees who don't spell "insubordination" correctly.
Anyway, put one more point in the "welcome to the real world" camp. If you're refusing to do something not in your job description when you're working a minimum wage at-will job, you shouldn't be surprised when you're let go and replaced by one of the thousands of other applicants on file.
You work that kind of job when you don't (yet) have an edge on a more competitive career type job- if you want money right now, suck it up and play the game until you can get yourself a resume worthy of better jobs. If not, then get yourself educated/certified to make yourself an asset to someone who will pay you to do something other than stocking shelves and pushing carts. Guess what- even when you have a nice salaried job, you'll still get asked to do things not in your job description, or outside of your area of expertise. Know what successful people do? Jobs that they're asked to do so that they can show how much of an asset they are, or delegate others to get it done for you, such as easily replaceable minimum wage at-will employees who don't spell "insubordination" correctly.
First off, I'm pretty sure it was somewhere in the orientation process that he may be asked to do other duties. Also, nobody "forced" him to perform extra duties- this was a minimum wage at-will job. They asked him, and he was at-will to decline, and they were at-will to release him from employment and allow one of the other thousands of applicants on file to decide whether or not they'd like the opportunity.barbzilla said:
We do have unions but:shootthebandit said:
A. not all businesses are unionized
B. even with unionized businesses, you can sometimes choose to join the union or not (sometimes you are forced to)
C. unions have a history of having ties to the Mafia
Unions in the US have a pretty shady history and are in some cases just as corrupt as the shadiest, greediest businesses in the US. Not to mention, unions are some of the biggest lobbyists in the country.
That's mostly labor unions though. The other unions are usually on the up and up.
Granted, I would imagine C is less true today than a few decades ago, but their image is going to be tainted for a long time. If you found out that your unions were working/owned with/by the IRA, how long would it take for the union's image to get rid of that taint?
Retail chains are notorious for mistreating their employees, relying heavily on the fact that they assume you need that job and won't complain about any unfair treatment.
I worked for the graveyard shift at ShopKo (Like Walmart's halfwit cousin) about 10 years ago and frequently had to stand up to my boss because I'd pull consecutive 12 to 14 hour shifts to make sure the work was completed (I'd usually finish up my duties for the night and have to help others finish theirs or do additional inventory work.)Once I'd hit my 40 hours it was usually getting close to the start of a new pay period and he's ask me to clock out at 40 hours and then clock in again to finish out my shift on the new pay period effectively trying to weasel out of overtime pay.
I got the runaround for not being a "team player" and when that wouldn't work he'd threaten disciplinary action or termination because I was "easily replaceable" .
Eventually I found an entry level office job and just stopped reporting to work at ShopKo.
The best advice I can really give is to familiarize yourself intimately with the HR policies of any place you work.
I worked for the graveyard shift at ShopKo (Like Walmart's halfwit cousin) about 10 years ago and frequently had to stand up to my boss because I'd pull consecutive 12 to 14 hour shifts to make sure the work was completed (I'd usually finish up my duties for the night and have to help others finish theirs or do additional inventory work.)Once I'd hit my 40 hours it was usually getting close to the start of a new pay period and he's ask me to clock out at 40 hours and then clock in again to finish out my shift on the new pay period effectively trying to weasel out of overtime pay.
I got the runaround for not being a "team player" and when that wouldn't work he'd threaten disciplinary action or termination because I was "easily replaceable" .
Eventually I found an entry level office job and just stopped reporting to work at ShopKo.
The best advice I can really give is to familiarize yourself intimately with the HR policies of any place you work.
I work at a supermarket and my section (deli) is basically the only one that the managers don't boss around and make work different sections of the store (for the most part). Unions aren't really all they are cracked up to be either. I'm in one and it basically sucks. You get money taken from your paycheck with virtually no benefits other than the managers will have a harder time firing you. But yeah though the bakery department collects carts in the afternoon and helps bag groceries if need be. The cashiers restock the store, replace items around it and do other odd jobs, maybe work in the dairy department if it is slow enough.
With jobs like this where you are a minimum wage drone working in retail you have to do a lot of different nonsense because your not really worth anything to the company. Your just a drone that any 16 year old can replace, so they make you do nonsense that you were never informed you'd be doing because they don't care, your an easily replaced cog.
With jobs like this where you are a minimum wage drone working in retail you have to do a lot of different nonsense because your not really worth anything to the company. Your just a drone that any 16 year old can replace, so they make you do nonsense that you were never informed you'd be doing because they don't care, your an easily replaced cog.
This seems a lot different from UK unions, unions in america seem to employ a lot of bullying tactics where as unions in the UK are a lot more organised and official. Theres only really 2 big unions (unite and unison) and they offer legal advice, personal injury claims if injured at work, employment rights etc. If companies are making redunancies the unions will often pressure employers to find other ways to save moneyRyotknife said:
Yes, by telling him to do something outside of the listed of his job under the threat of termination, that is FORCING someone to do something. Sure, he could just walk out and quit, but that isn't any better than being fired. You are still jobless, hungry, and (unless you still live with your parents) soon to be homeless. This is a threat to someone's security, which is one of the primary needs of a human being. When you threaten to remove one of their primary needs, you are in the wrong.tangoprime said:
Now, had this been a listed job duty for him, then right on, get your buttocks to work. Otherwise, it is just forcing people to do excess work that you aren't being properly compensated for.
Well OP, I'm sure that there are quite a few other hundred people who are willing to work your position and praise their managers for giving them a chance to get some income. They wouldn't mind working more than they were originally assigned to work especially if it means they can put food on their tables and pay their bills. Seriously, with the job market still in a royal shit storm, people are learning right quick that you can't back talk your superiors no matter how unfair you think you're being treated. Your position holds no worth to them, and as others have said before me, you're just a piece of minimum wage meat and until you make a name for yourself that's all you're going to be viewed as while working as a "Store Associate" under a retail conglomerate. Face it, you're at the bottom of the corporate ladder and EVERYONE walks all over you, showing some sass just means that you don't really care for your employment anymore, so the higher-ups will just replace you. They couldn't care less what happens to you afterward.
you my friend need to run the world... or at least a union.chadachada123 said:
the problem is the work dynamic has shifted in first world countries (it's often this way in third world countries)from a symbiotic relationship between employers and employees when both need each other to survive to a slave relationship where the employee does what the boss says or dies of starvation on the street.
more people need to just walk away from shit jobs to force employers to hire inadequate labor or go bankrupt but it is only when you have a sufficient amount of savings to not care about your job that you are ever placed in that position and these types of employees will do whatever they they can do to ensure that doesn't happen.
I can't help with the finding a new job thing, but I will say the CEOs and some of the managers of Wal-mart stores deserve hanging. I've heard so many stories of abuse that really should be considered illegal, hell, in england, a lot of it IS considered illegal.
I'm starting to get real sick of all the scum that are allowed to run free ruining other's lives. We shouldn't have to resort to violence, but one day, that's what it's gonna come to, simply because those guilty have shielded themselves from all legal, non violent punishment.
I'm starting to get real sick of all the scum that are allowed to run free ruining other's lives. We shouldn't have to resort to violence, but one day, that's what it's gonna come to, simply because those guilty have shielded themselves from all legal, non violent punishment.
I think the only problem with your theory is that based on what I have seen of Wal-Mart (when visiting the US and when they brought out ASDA here in the UK) the above mentioned idiots, high schoolers and massively desperate seem to be target of their recruitment strategy already.chadachada123 said:
Small but important point: There is no union at any Wal Mart in the United States. The corporation has been very diligent in making certain that any attempt to create a union is ended as quickly as possible.Meriatressia said:
Most of that is right wing anti-union propaganda. Which was used to pass what's called a "right to work" law in something like 30 out of 50 states, which allows employers to fire their employees at any time without cause. It's basically impossible to claim wrongful termination in a right to work state, because only an idiot boss actually gives a reason. You could get fired for being in any given protected class, and it wouldn't matter as long as your boss wasn't braindead in addition to being a bigot.shootthebandit said:
They're called "right to work" laws because they make it illegal for a union to force an employee to join, by the way. It's (nominally) a "right to work" without having to join the union. Totally anti-worker. But of course, if you speak out against it, don't you know you're just a commie sympathiser. In many ways, US politics never left the Cold War behind, either at home or abroad.
Edit: Not saying Royotknife if a right winger or intentionally spouting propaganda. The right wing was just very, very successful at demonizing unions over the last 50 years or so, to the point that their version of the story is the one you're most likely to hear.