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Samtemdo8 said:
First off I thought the movie won't come out in the States until the 10?

Second the feeling of it being a sequal is Probably because they made Tie in novels and comic books that connects to the movie:

Warcraft: Bonds of Brotherhood


Warcraft: Durotan: The Official Movie Prequel

Warcraft Official Movie Novelization
Tie-in media doesn't mean much in of itself. As in, a second film isn't going to be made just for the sake of continuing the film continuity, even if it's already received the EU treatment.

On the subject though, I strongly reccomend reading Durotan, if you haven't already done so. Golden certainly "gets" orcs in the Warcraft setting, and IMO it's one of the best Warcraft-based novels in a long time.
 

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Samtemdo8 said:
First off I thought the movie won't come out in the States until the 10?

Second the feeling of it being a sequal is Probably because they made Tie in novels and comic books that connects to the movie:

Warcraft: Bonds of Brotherhood


Warcraft: Durotan: The Official Movie Prequel

Warcraft Official Movie Novelization
Tie-in media doesn't mean much in of itself. As in, a second film isn't going to be made just for the sake of continuing the film continuity, even if it's already received the EU treatment.

On the subject though, I strongly reccomend reading Durotan, if you haven't already done so. Golden certainly "gets" orcs in the Warcraft setting, and IMO it's one of the best Warcraft-based novels in a long time.
But now I won't get my Lich King movie :(


Thanks Duncan Jones, never hire unknowns especially when all he is 2 Sci-Fi movies that are very niche and only has a cult following.

Or mabye its not Duncan Jones, because I don't know who to blame for this :p

Heck Chris Metzen himself should have directed this movie.
 

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Samtemdo8 said:
Oh no, really? Sonic Boom pulled that shit too! Its Warcraft! Its not that complicated. Orcs are dicks and express their impotence through violence, Elves wear skimpy outfits, Humans are up their asses with their own self importance, and everyone's still wondering why Tauren women don't have udders.

Its not that hard!
 

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Samtemdo8 said:
Oh no, really? Sonic Boom pulled that shit too! Its Warcraft! Its not that complicated. Orcs are dicks and express their impotence through violence, Elves wear skimpy outfits, Humans are up their asses with their own self importance, and everyone's still wondering why Tauren women don't have udders.

Its not that hard!
1. Not all Orcs, That is why Orcs like Durotan and Thrall exists. Orcs mabye dicks at times but they are still a proud and noble people under Thrall. (A story I hope a sequal develops on and Chris Metzen better act as him)

2. Only the Night Elves and even then not all of them wear Skimpy Clothes, look at these Blood Elves pics:





3. And as a Human Paladin player I take offense :p

4. I wonder if Taurens are gonna even be in this movie universe? I know the Pandaren will not.
 

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Come on man, if there's one thing everyone knows about Warcraft its the skimpiness of elves.



Its their thing! And we love them for it! Like a puppy wagging its tail!

Same with Orks and fighting. Who they fight and why may vary, even though it always seems to end with Orks with axes fighting humans with swords. And complexity in allegiance is virtually incidental because there's only so many races and their war games so there will always be a reason for X and Y to be fighting.
 

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Come on man, if there's one thing everyone knows about Warcraft its the skimpiness of elves.



Its their thing! And we love them for it! Like a puppy wagging its tail!

Same with Orks and fighting. Who they fight and why may vary, even though it always seems to end with Orks with axes fighting humans with swords. And complexity in allegiance is virtually incidental because there's only so many races and their war games so there will always be a reason for X and Y to be fighting.
First off stop calling the "Orcs" with a "K" in the end.....I get nitpicky about it.

Anyway I have been told the ORCS were the best part of the movie.

How was Durotan and Orgrim and Gul'dan and Blackhand?
 

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Depends. Do you want me to spoil it? 'cause how things end sorta reflects their characters and such...
Spoil away because I more or else already know it from long time love of the lore and judging from the trailers and featurettes. But still go on especially talk about Gul'dan and Durotan who both just looks straight out of the official art of the games:







The next image is a statue but its design is straight from the movie:

 

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Okay so lets start with Durotan, 'cause he's the only one whos both likable and with a consistent character:
He's all proud and noble and thinks its beneath OrCs to enslave women and children and sacrifice old people for Fel Magic. He's the only one who considers humans worthy foes and doesn't trust the Fel Magic.
And to protect his wife, newborn child and his tribe he tried to form an alliance with the Humans to kill Gul'Dan who he believes is not only responsible for the OrCs world being destroyed, but is destroying the human world too. And his pal, Orgrim, betrays him because he wants Fel Magic. They imprison Durotan, kill his entire clan, and Orgrim in a moment of I guess guilt lets the wife/child go, but the wife gets killed in the next scene so its kinda' moot. Orgrim them, in a complete reversal of his betrayal, lets Durotan out of jail so he can challenge Gul'Dan to single combat in the hopes of showing the entire Horde the demon magic that is Fel. Gul then uses his black magic to kill Durotan in the duel, to which Orgrim and Blackhand say was un-OrCy and dishonorable and the clans start to turn against Gul.
Gul then tuns Blackhand into like an OrC/Plant/Demon hybrid who roars alot and kills some orks. Gul also kills a few rebellious Orcs, and Orgrim and the horde basically fall into line again, rendering Durotan's entire sacrifice meaningless.

Gul'Dan: He's evil and corrupt and enjoys torturing humans and doesn't tolerate failure or any other OrC talking against him. He's almost comically demons and cruel and the OrCs just seem to let it slide. Even after he basically hollows Durotan out and uses his life-force to turn Blackhand into a rampaging monster, the OrCs are surprisingly chill about it.

Orgrim: He's a plot device. A means to an end. The cause of Durotan's imprisonment, and his eventual escape.

BlackHand: He had the potential to be complex, but he gets turned into the weird demon plant thing so its moot. He was all 'Kill the humans!' and the like, until he gets his hand blown off by a 'Boom Stick' and then he starts treating humans with more caution and respect. And when Gul'Dan is loosing the fight with Durotan and asks for his weapons back so he can finish thing quickly, BlackHand is all "No true OrC runs from the Amok Time" and refuses. And then he gets turned into a monster. And then fights the human dude, Lothar, and gets stabbed in the dick and dies.

So by the end of the movie Durotan, his wife, his tribe and Blackhand are all dead, Gul'Dan has enslaved the Horde and Orgrim is off being a mopey slave.
Oh, and Durotan's son is now mosses. Literally. The mom, in a completely desperately poorly written scene, puts her dagger on the shore, puts the baby in a basket, wades into the water, says something about honor and nobility and warchiefs, and sets the baby in the water to float away. She is then stabbed by her own dagger and dies.

So...its...confused. They do a lot with a lot of characters, but I almost feel like its too much.
 

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Samtemdo8 said:
Okay so lets start with Durotan, 'cause he's the only one whos both likable and with a consistent character:
He's all proud and noble and thinks its beneath OrCs to enslave women and children and sacrifice old people for Fel Magic. He's the only one who considers humans worthy foes and doesn't trust the Fel Magic.
And to protect his wife, newborn child and his tribe he tried to form an alliance with the Humans to kill Gul'Dan who he believes is not only responsible for the OrCs world being destroyed, but is destroying the human world too. And his pal, Orgrim, betrays him because he wants Fel Magic. They imprison Durotan, kill his entire clan, and Orgrim in a moment of I guess guilt lets the wife/child go, but the wife gets killed in the next scene so its kinda' moot. Orgrim them, in a complete reversal of his betrayal, lets Durotan out of jail so he can challenge Gul'Dan to single combat in the hopes of showing the entire Horde the demon magic that is Fel. Gul then uses his black magic to kill Durotan in the duel, to which Orgrim and Blackhand say was un-OrCy and dishonorable and the clans start to turn against Gul.
Gul then tuns Blackhand into like an OrC/Plant/Demon hybrid who roars alot and kills some orks. Gul also kills a few rebellious Orcs, and Orgrim and the horde basically fall into line again, rendering Durotan's entire sacrifice meaningless.

Gul'Dan: He's evil and corrupt and enjoys torturing humans and doesn't tolerate failure or any other OrC talking against him. He's almost comically demons and cruel and the OrCs just seem to let it slide. Even after he basically hollows Durotan out and uses his life-force to turn Blackhand into a rampaging monster, the OrCs are surprisingly chill about it.

Orgrim: He's a plot device. A means to an end. The cause of Durotan's imprisonment, and his eventual escape.

BlackHand: He had the potential to be complex, but he gets turned into the weird demon plant thing so its moot. He was all 'Kill the humans!' and the like, until he gets his hand blown off by a 'Boom Stick' and then he starts treating humans with more caution and respect. And when Gul'Dan is loosing the fight with Durotan and asks for his weapons back so he can finish thing quickly, BlackHand is all "No true OrC runs from the Amok Time" and refuses. And then he gets turned into a monster. And then fights the human dude, Lothar, and gets stabbed in the dick and dies.

So by the end of the movie Durotan, his wife, his tribe and Blackhand are all dead, Gul'Dan has enslaved the Horde and Orgrim is off being a mopey slave.
Oh, and Durotan's son is now mosses. Literally. The mom, in a completely desperately poorly written scene, puts her dagger on the shore, puts the baby in a basket, wades into the water, says something about honor and nobility and warchiefs, and sets the baby in the water to float away. She is then stabbed by her own dagger and dies.

So...its...confused. They do a lot with a lot of characters, but I almost feel like its too much.
Well all the more tragic for Thrall's backstory since he never knew his family. Anyway the Thrall (The baby) even in the lore was already established as a Moses Figure, He freed his people from enslavement and then proceeds to find a new home for the orcs which ended up in Kalimdor.

If they continue following the lore properly Orgrim Doomhammer ends up becoming Warchief of the whole Horde and the events of the second War begins, he also makes his movie against Gul'dan. But oh man Gul'dan's eventual fate if the movies continue his path is horrifying, let's just say all that will be left of him is his own Skull.

Finally last but not least and this is important....was there any Orc in the movie that looked like Ner'Zhul?

http://wow.gamepedia.com/Ner%27zhul_(alternate_universe)

Because if not then well if there will be no sequals at least I don't have to mourn that they were setting up Lich King
 

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Yes and no. There were a bunch of Orcs with human skull facepaint on, even one that stood next to Orgrim at one point, but I don't recall any of them having speaking lines outside of roaring, and none of them are named.
 

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Samtemdo8 said:
Yes and no. There were a bunch of Orcs with human skull facepaint on, even one that stood next to Orgrim at one point, but I don't recall any of them having speaking lines outside of roaring, and none of them are named.
One thing that does dissipoint me about the movie is the music sounds......average:


The guy doing the soundtrack is famous for Game of Thrones soundtrack and while the music in that show is great his attempt at making a Warcarft soundtrack is just....wrong. It does not sound WARCRAFT-TY enough. This is Warcraft:




 

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One thing that does dissipoint me about the movie is the music sounds......average:
I think the music is quite decent. It lacks a bit in variety, but it's still in the Warcraft style (e.g. "heavy orchestration").
 

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Samtemdo8 said:
One thing that does dissipoint me about the movie is the music sounds......average:
I think the music is quite decent. It lacks a bit in variety, but it's still in the Warcraft style (e.g. "heavy orchestration").
Its mostly just generic epic Fantasy music. Drum beats, horns, and choirs of men going "Ra ah Ra ah-ah-ah Ro mah Ro-mah-mah"

Basically this:
 

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Samtemdo8 said:
Hawki said:
Samtemdo8 said:
One thing that does dissipoint me about the movie is the music sounds......average:
I think the music is quite decent. It lacks a bit in variety, but it's still in the Warcraft style (e.g. "heavy orchestration").
Its mostly just generic epic Fantasy music. Drum beats, horns, and choirs of men going "Ra ah Ra ah-ah-ah Ro mah Ro-mah-mah"

Basically this:
But even you must understand that Warcraft's "Epic Fantasy Music" is special and lives up to its name:



Why could they not hire Russle Bower, Jason Hayes, and Jeremy Soule :p
 

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Samtemdo8 said:
One thing that does dissipoint me about the movie is the music sounds......average:
I think the music is quite decent. It lacks a bit in variety, but it's still in the Warcraft style (e.g. "heavy orchestration").
If sequals do happen please Duncan Jones rectify this.