Warhammer 40k vs starwars... is there any possible way for SW to win?

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Internet Kraken said:
CountFenring said:
I'm not sure but I don't think 40k has an equivalent of the Death Star or LightSabers. Correct me if I'm wrong.
Oh it does. Not only are the space ships massive, they also have huge walking mechs that are basically the equivalent of Death Stars on land.

Also who needs lightsabers when you have chain swords.


Anyways I don't think anyone from SW could stand up to the W40k factions. Orkz alone could probably take down the entire Star Wars universe.

WAAAAAAAAAGH

NOTHING like that in star wars
EDIT: ok the image won't upload help needed....(insert AT AT image here)
Edit 2: someone said that a race could wipe out all life on a planet.. Nihilus could do that and don't say he's weak because the only reason he got killed was because the Exile was also a wound in the force very similar to Nihilus
 

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Cortheya said:
Internet Kraken said:
CountFenring said:
I'm not sure but I don't think 40k has an equivalent of the Death Star or LightSabers. Correct me if I'm wrong.
Oh it does. Not only are the space ships massive, they also have huge walking mechs that are basically the equivalent of Death Stars on land.

Also who needs lightsabers when you have chain swords.


Anyways I don't think anyone from SW could stand up to the W40k factions. Orkz alone could probably take down the entire Star Wars universe.

WAAAAAAAAAGH

NOTHING like that in star wars
EDIT: ok the image won't upload help needed....(insert AT AT image here)
Edit 2: someone said that a race could wipe out all life on a planet.. Nihilus could do that and don't say he's weak because the only reason he got killed was because the Exile was also a wound in the force very similar to Nihilus
If i recall correctly the AT-AT was just a huge, slowass camel looking mother humper with 3 guns on its face and troops in its belly. how the hell does that destroy a planet.
 

Internet Kraken

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Zeke the Freak said:
Cortheya said:
Internet Kraken said:
CountFenring said:
I'm not sure but I don't think 40k has an equivalent of the Death Star or LightSabers. Correct me if I'm wrong.
Oh it does. Not only are the space ships massive, they also have huge walking mechs that are basically the equivalent of Death Stars on land.

Also who needs lightsabers when you have chain swords.


Anyways I don't think anyone from SW could stand up to the W40k factions. Orkz alone could probably take down the entire Star Wars universe.

WAAAAAAAAAGH

NOTHING like that in star wars
EDIT: ok the image won't upload help needed....(insert AT AT image here)
Edit 2: someone said that a race could wipe out all life on a planet.. Nihilus could do that and don't say he's weak because the only reason he got killed was because the Exile was also a wound in the force very similar to Nihilus
If i recall correctly the AT-AT was just a huge, slowass camel looking mother humper with 3 guns on its face and troops in its belly. how the hell does that destroy a planet.
Imperial Titans are huge. They could step on an AT-AT.
 

Zeke the Freak

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Internet Kraken said:
Zeke the Freak said:
Cortheya said:
Internet Kraken said:
CountFenring said:
I'm not sure but I don't think 40k has an equivalent of the Death Star or LightSabers. Correct me if I'm wrong.
Oh it does. Not only are the space ships massive, they also have huge walking mechs that are basically the equivalent of Death Stars on land.

Also who needs lightsabers when you have chain swords.


Anyways I don't think anyone from SW could stand up to the W40k factions. Orkz alone could probably take down the entire Star Wars universe.

WAAAAAAAAAGH

NOTHING like that in star wars
EDIT: ok the image won't upload help needed....(insert AT AT image here)
Edit 2: someone said that a race could wipe out all life on a planet.. Nihilus could do that and don't say he's weak because the only reason he got killed was because the Exile was also a wound in the force very similar to Nihilus
If i recall correctly the AT-AT was just a huge, slowass camel looking mother humper with 3 guns on its face and troops in its belly. how the hell does that destroy a planet.
Imperial Titans are huge. They could step on an AT-AT.
thats what im saying. At least titans cant be beat by a bunch of planes with ropes.
 

loquerion

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Right... I love these... but I think it's a clear winner...

Individual Specialist Strength / Power:

Sw - A Jedi moved a star destroyer through space once with the force, but the backlash reduced him to ash.

40K - A friendly hand to hand fight between the 2 of the first primarchs of the imperial space marines destroyed the planet they were fighting on, causing it to collapse. The two of them then had to be to be picked out of the floating rubble by their warships, floating in deep space without any kind of space suit for days. These are genetically engineered humans... there are far more powerful beings out there too. The imperium also has legions of psycic troops, who although varying in power can have the same abilities as jedi, except more varied in application.


Common Ground Troops Strength / Power:

sw - a storm trooper is about the strength of a normal human, with similar reactions and resilience. Their armour can't protect them from direct laser fire, and is of dubious protection vs small bears + rocks. Their hand-held weaponry will kill a normal unarmoured human with the same efficiency of most firearms, but has typically woeful accuracy

40K - A space marine is a genetically engineered 8-10 foot tall killing machine with superhuman reflexes, strength, and can breath underwater, survive in a vacuum, gain memories of a creature whose brain it has consumed, sleep in combat, recover from mortal wounds and some of them have been known to return from death. Without armour, normal firearms are close to useless, with basic laser weapons not far behind. With armour, they become living tanks... capable of comfortably fighting in ambient temperatures in the range of -250 to 20,000 degrees.


Armoured Units / Tanks / Mechs:

sw - the empire has some impressive weaponry, but most of it caps at the scale of the size of a big multistory house (ATAT). Weaponry is in the same scale as handheld weaponry.

40k - Titans can be city sized constructs which walk on legs and can be dropped from orbit into combat zones. They use WMD scale weaponry as standard, with void shields which make them impervious to anything short of extinction level weaponry. They vary in scale, but the larger ones are designed to be placed as mobile fortress on a planet, containing legions of troops and sporting weaponry which can swat major warships out of orbit like flies. The titan legions of the imperial forces are made up of 103 legions, each with 10-20 companies of titans, each containing a fully combat ready army or 100s of titans, crew, support, logistics, transport barges and fleet defence.


Fleet Combat:

sw - Visible range ship to ship combat, with fighter engagements at sublight speeds in the range of 100-250m/s. Similar scale weaponry with direct hit kills on fighters, larger ships are shielded, but vulnerable to strategic targeting and large physical impacts. Largest command ship is about 15km long, with standard ships being about 1000m. Fleet ship weaponry is smaller scale, ship to ship range with planetary bombardment.

40k - Similar engagement ranges and speeds, with similar fighter capability. Anti capital ship weapons are substantially larger and more powerful, with void shielding similar to titans. Planetary weapons are extinction level. Ship scale is substantially larger - The largest emperor class command ship was over 100km in length, with a normal sector fleet being up to 100 5-8km long cruisers and battleships with support ships and fighters. Imperial battleships are designed to ram enemy ships, puncturing their hull and conduct boarding actions.


Technology Level

sw - high technology with many variants, limited extreme genetic engineering, light speed interstellar travel, no teleportation, rare cloaking devices. Death Star is one of the technological pinnacles,

40k - restricted use teleportation, cloaking devices, warp travel (ripping holes through the fabric of reality), technology is simpler with specific design for warfare and more robust, but also highly advanced


Superweapons:

sw - The death star can destroy planets it is in high orbit of, there have been two of them ever. In a book there was an experimental weapon which could theoretically destroy a sun, but it didn't work and generally the books a a bit crazy.

40K - A hand-held weapon (for a space marine) called an externinatus device can destroy a planet by itself. The BlackStar Fortresses held by the imperium, can destroy entire star systems from massive range, and there are quite a few of them. One was used to kill a god once.


Conclusion...

sw is awesome, but as long as you look at what happened on screen and ignore the "fact books" which claim that hand-held weaponry puts out more power than a nuclear bomb, its tech is pretty limiting... and jedi are very cool

40k is also awesome, but they are all a pack of xenophobic, paranoid, emo warmongers...

So if I have to choose a holiday spot, sw... but in a galaxy vs galaxy fight? the Imperium would swat the empire effortlessly... and that's before the other races get stuck in (some of whom are more powerful) Eldar, Chaos, Orks, Necrons, Tau, Squats or Tyranids...
 

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loquerion said:
Right... I love these... but I think it's a clear winner...

Individual Specialist Strength / Power:

Sw - A Jedi moved a star destroyer through space once with the force, but the backlash reduced him to ash.

40K - A friendly hand to hand fight between the 2 of the first primarchs of the imperial space marines destroyed the planet they were fighting on, causing it to collapse. The two of them then had to be to be picked out of the floating rubble by their warships, floating in deep space without any kind of space suit for days. These are genetically engineered humans... there are far more powerful beings out there too. The imperium also has legions of psycic troops, who although varying in power can have the same abilities as jedi, except more varied in application.


Common Ground Troops Strength / Power:

sw - a storm trooper is about the strength of a normal human, with similar reactions and resilience. Their armour can't protect them from direct laser fire, and is of dubious protection vs small bears + rocks. Their hand-held weaponry will kill a normal unarmoured human with the same efficiency of most firearms, but has typically woeful accuracy

40K - A space marine is a genetically engineered 8-10 foot tall killing machine with superhuman reflexes, strength, and can breath underwater, survive in a vacuum, gain memories of a creature whose brain it has consumed, sleep in combat, recover from mortal wounds and some of them have been known to return from death. Without armour, normal firearms are close to useless, with basic laser weapons not far behind. With armour, they become living tanks... capable of comfortably fighting in ambient temperatures in the range of -250 to 20,000 degrees.


Armoured Units / Tanks / Mechs:

sw - the empire has some impressive weaponry, but most of it caps at the scale of the size of a big multistory house (ATAT). Weaponry is in the same scale as handheld weaponry.

40k - Titans can be city sized constructs which walk on legs and can be dropped from orbit into combat zones. They use WMD scale weaponry as standard, with void shields which make them impervious to anything short of extinction level weaponry. They vary in scale, but the larger ones are designed to be placed as mobile fortress on a planet, containing legions of troops and sporting weaponry which can swat major warships out of orbit like flies. The titan legions of the imperial forces are made up of 103 legions, each with 10-20 companies of titans, each containing a fully combat ready army or 100s of titans, crew, support, logistics, transport barges and fleet defence.


Fleet Combat:

sw - Visible range ship to ship combat, with fighter engagements at sublight speeds in the range of 100-250m/s. Similar scale weaponry with direct hit kills on fighters, larger ships are shielded, but vulnerable to strategic targeting and large physical impacts. Largest command ship is about 15km long, with standard ships being about 1000m. Fleet ship weaponry is smaller scale, ship to ship range with planetary bombardment.

40k - Similar engagement ranges and speeds, with similar fighter capability. Anti capital ship weapons are substantially larger and more powerful, with void shielding similar to titans. Planetary weapons are extinction level. Ship scale is substantially larger - The largest emperor class command ship was over 100km in length, with a normal sector fleet being up to 100 5-8km long cruisers and battleships with support ships and fighters. Imperial battleships are designed to ram enemy ships, puncturing their hull and conduct boarding actions.


Technology Level

sw - high technology with many variants, limited extreme genetic engineering, light speed interstellar travel, no teleportation, rare cloaking devices. Death Star is one of the technological pinnacles,

40k - restricted use teleportation, cloaking devices, warp travel (ripping holes through the fabric of reality), technology is simpler with specific design for warfare and more robust, but also highly advanced


Superweapons:

sw - The death star can destroy planets it is in high orbit of, there have been two of them ever. In a book there was an experimental weapon which could theoretically destroy a sun, but it didn't work and generally the books a a bit crazy.

40K - A hand-held weapon (for a space marine) called an externinatus device can destroy a planet by itself. The BlackStar Fortresses held by the imperium, can destroy entire star systems from massive range, and there are quite a few of them. One was used to kill a god once.


Conclusion...

sw is awesome, but as long as you look at what happened on screen and ignore the "fact books" which claim that hand-held weaponry puts out more power than a nuclear bomb, its tech is pretty limiting... and jedi are very cool

40k is also awesome, but they are all a pack of xenophobic, paranoid, emo warmongers...

So if I have to choose a holiday spot, sw... but in a galaxy vs galaxy fight? the Imperium would swat the empire effortlessly... and that's before the other races get stuck in (some of whom are more powerful) Eldar, Chaos, Orks, Necrons, Tau, Squats or Tyranids...
You, my well worded freind, deserve a cookie of epic proportions.
 

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You don't know the power of the Dark Side/Chaos!

Mos Eisley Spaceport would be shut down in 40k because of the whole racist xenophobia thing, but I wouldn't doubt there are bars set up on recruitment stations for the Imperial Guard. Orks, they have even more fun beverages, I can only imagine.
 

Zeke the Freak

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I remember reading something about a sith that made a star collapse in on itself.
anyone know who im talkin about?
 

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Zeke the Freak said:
I remember reading something about a sith that made a star collapse in on itself.
anyone know who im talkin about?
Is that from Kotor 2? Darth Nihulis
 

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Lets face it, according to the screen storm troopers are basically as much of a threat as a small dog barking sinisterly at you. If you watch the empire strikes back there is actually one battle scene where a storm trooper falls over dead, not shot, not light sabered, just falls over dead.

What happened to the well equipped elite marksman soldiers between episodes 3 and 4? was it not cost effective to give them the anti-SPED needles?

I cant see them holding off an invasion from chimpanzees with shillelaghs rather than anything warhammer 40k

They were overwhelmed by a small force of teddy bears for Christ sake.
 

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NoDamnNames said:
Lets face it, according to the screen storm troopers are basically as much of a threat as a small dog barking sinisterly at you. If you watch the empire strikes back there is actually one battle scene where a storm trooper falls over dead, not shot, not light sabered, just falls over dead.

What happened to the well equipped elite marksman soldiers between episodes 3 and 4? was it not cost effective to give them the anti-SPED needles?

I cant see them holding off an invasion from chimpanzees with shillelaghs rather than anything warhammer 40k

They were overwhelmed by a small force of teddy bears for Christ sake.
That was the wind i always thought

yea they sucked near the end, but come on they were pretty sweet storming hoth and cloud city im sure they could kick moderate ass when the need arises, and george lucas is off somewhere else with a colouring book or something

UGH damn ewoks, could you even believe that bullshit when the emperor himself said they were the best of the best? my christ

anyway They Have SPACE MARINES /thread

plus the 40k universe was always more badass than SW, also The books give me wood and i say that with pride, well the ones not done by C.S Goto anyway
 

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To all the people talking Death Star: You do remember that it was destroyed, not once but twice, by bumbling fools and rebels? I'm pretty sure the Imperium on Man could deal with a single battle station. Also, it only has one laser.
Storm troopers are cool, no doubt about that, but as was mentioned above: the strategy of the Imperial Guard seems to be to throw men at the objective until success are achieved. And even if the IG are armed with flash lights, storm troopers are not really a hardy breed.

And noone has mentioned the tanks of the Guard: Leman Russ, Basilisk, Hellhound and Baneblade to name a few. I hardly think Space Marines are needed to win this fight.
 

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Star Wars would get owned by the Warhammer 40k universe.

Space Marines alone could easily handle anything from the Star Wars universe.

Space Marines - 8ft tall, gentically enhanced supermen dressed in near impenetrable power armour and armed with guns the size of you

Thats just the Space Marines. Then you have the Tau, Chaos Space Marines, Orks, Tyranids, Imperial Guard plus more that i can't remember.




Star Wars = Obliterated
 

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Which era in star wars history are we talking about? If the entirety of 40K joined forces they'd still not be able to take on the star wars universe with stuff like the star forge, death star, looming sith threat noted in both KOTOR games and of course THE FORCE which can be used to wipe planets from the face of the galaxy with ease.
 

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irishstormtrooper said:
If there was still the Death Star, then yes. Otherwise, I think they'd be pretty evenly matched.
Evenly matched? Let me point you to this:

loquerion said:
Right... I love these... but I think it's a clear winner...

Individual Specialist Strength / Power:

Sw - A Jedi moved a star destroyer through space once with the force, but the backlash reduced him to ash.

40K - A friendly hand to hand fight between the 2 of the first primarchs of the imperial space marines destroyed the planet they were fighting on, causing it to collapse. The two of them then had to be to be picked out of the floating rubble by their warships, floating in deep space without any kind of space suit for days. These are genetically engineered humans... there are far more powerful beings out there too. The imperium also has legions of psycic troops, who although varying in power can have the same abilities as jedi, except more varied in application.


Common Ground Troops Strength / Power:

sw - a storm trooper is about the strength of a normal human, with similar reactions and resilience. Their armour can't protect them from direct laser fire, and is of dubious protection vs small bears + rocks. Their hand-held weaponry will kill a normal unarmoured human with the same efficiency of most firearms, but has typically woeful accuracy

40K - A space marine is a genetically engineered 8-10 foot tall killing machine with superhuman reflexes, strength, and can breath underwater, survive in a vacuum, gain memories of a creature whose brain it has consumed, sleep in combat, recover from mortal wounds and some of them have been known to return from death. Without armour, normal firearms are close to useless, with basic laser weapons not far behind. With armour, they become living tanks... capable of comfortably fighting in ambient temperatures in the range of -250 to 20,000 degrees.


Armoured Units / Tanks / Mechs:

sw - the empire has some impressive weaponry, but most of it caps at the scale of the size of a big multistory house (ATAT). Weaponry is in the same scale as handheld weaponry.

40k - Titans can be city sized constructs which walk on legs and can be dropped from orbit into combat zones. They use WMD scale weaponry as standard, with void shields which make them impervious to anything short of extinction level weaponry. They vary in scale, but the larger ones are designed to be placed as mobile fortress on a planet, containing legions of troops and sporting weaponry which can swat major warships out of orbit like flies. The titan legions of the imperial forces are made up of 103 legions, each with 10-20 companies of titans, each containing a fully combat ready army or 100s of titans, crew, support, logistics, transport barges and fleet defence.


Fleet Combat:

sw - Visible range ship to ship combat, with fighter engagements at sublight speeds in the range of 100-250m/s. Similar scale weaponry with direct hit kills on fighters, larger ships are shielded, but vulnerable to strategic targeting and large physical impacts. Largest command ship is about 15km long, with standard ships being about 1000m. Fleet ship weaponry is smaller scale, ship to ship range with planetary bombardment.

40k - Similar engagement ranges and speeds, with similar fighter capability. Anti capital ship weapons are substantially larger and more powerful, with void shielding similar to titans. Planetary weapons are extinction level. Ship scale is substantially larger - The largest emperor class command ship was over 100km in length, with a normal sector fleet being up to 100 5-8km long cruisers and battleships with support ships and fighters. Imperial battleships are designed to ram enemy ships, puncturing their hull and conduct boarding actions.


Technology Level

sw - high technology with many variants, limited extreme genetic engineering, light speed interstellar travel, no teleportation, rare cloaking devices. Death Star is one of the technological pinnacles,

40k - restricted use teleportation, cloaking devices, warp travel (ripping holes through the fabric of reality), technology is simpler with specific design for warfare and more robust, but also highly advanced


Superweapons:

sw - The death star can destroy planets it is in high orbit of, there have been two of them ever. In a book there was an experimental weapon which could theoretically destroy a sun, but it didn't work and generally the books a a bit crazy.

40K - A hand-held weapon (for a space marine) called an externinatus device can destroy a planet by itself. The BlackStar Fortresses held by the imperium, can destroy entire star systems from massive range, and there are quite a few of them. One was used to kill a god once.


Conclusion...

sw is awesome, but as long as you look at what happened on screen and ignore the "fact books" which claim that hand-held weaponry puts out more power than a nuclear bomb, its tech is pretty limiting... and jedi are very cool

40k is also awesome, but they are all a pack of xenophobic, paranoid, emo warmongers...

So if I have to choose a holiday spot, sw... but in a galaxy vs galaxy fight? the Imperium would swat the empire effortlessly... and that's before the other races get stuck in (some of whom are more powerful) Eldar, Chaos, Orks, Necrons, Tau, Squats or Tyranids...
Also: I think they're called Blackstone fortresses. I know they were forged by Vaul, the Eldar smith god, and that the imperium has lost them all.
 

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Imperium would be quite a match for the empire...
unless of course they used the death star to destroy Terra.

no earth= no fanaticism inducing godhead, no orders/ direction for imperial guard, no hope...
 

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CountFenring said:
I'm not sure but I don't think 40k has an equivalent of the Death Star or LightSabers. Correct me if I'm wrong.
Alright then.

The 40K equivalent of the Death Star would be the Blackstone Fortresses or, on a similar scale, Abaddon's flagship: the Planet Killer.

Blackstone Fortress: http://www.sg.tacticalwargames.net/fanatic/81bfw.pdf
(Surprisingly difficult to find good pictures)

Planet Killer: http://www.mustangsalling.dk/gothic/chaosplanetkiller.html

While there is nothing explicitly the same as a lightsabre in 40K many melee weapons make use of energy field generators to allow them to entirely negate their opponents armour. Powered weapons are quite common in the game, although they shouldn't be realistically.
The closest thing to a lightsabre in effectiveness would probably be the Ctan Phase Sword wielded by Calidus Assassins; these weapons, forged from fragments of the essence of the Ctan star gods, completely ignore all armour and shielding.