Was bioshock infinite the worst AAA FPS ever made?

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Poetic Nova

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The worst? Nah.
The best? No, but it is stil miles ahead of Bioshock 1 atleast.

And again, it is really annoying that you keep making threads that are more hyperbole than anything else.

Just because a game lies its focus on the narative, and makes the level design linear it does not automatically mean a game is bad. Sometimes it is about the story, not about the exploration.
 

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The reason I hate Bioshock Infinite isn't because it's a bad game (it's mediocre at worst), it's because it is so contrived in terms of plot and gameplay and how they interact. Bioshock had these problems too but not quite as bad. The entire Bioshock series is a poor man's System Shock. It has a more imaginative setting but that's all it really has going for it

"Worst AAA FPS ever made" though? That's pushing it. Bioshock Infinite is gorgeous and upon first playthrough was pretty exciting. It's a memorable game, though the memorable parts are diamonds in a bog of mediocrity. I wouldn't really want to play through it again to be honest. System Shock 2 on the other hand? Gets better with each playthrough in my opinion.
 

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Dizchu said:
The reason I hate Bioshock Infinite isn't because it's a bad game (it's mediocre at worst), it's because it is so contrived in terms of plot and gameplay and how they interact. Bioshock had these problems too but not quite as bad. The entire Bioshock series is a poor man's System Shock. It has a more imaginative setting but that's all it really has going for it

"Worst AAA FPS ever made" though? That's pushing it. Bioshock Infinite is gorgeous and upon first playthrough was pretty exciting. It's a memorable game, though the memorable parts are diamonds in a bog of mediocrity. I wouldn't really want to play through it again to be honest. System Shock 2 on the other hand? Gets better with each playthrough in my opinion.
Imaginative? Bioshock infinate is glorifyed Steampunk. A genre already covered by other games like Arcanum and Fable 2/3.
 

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Imaginative? Bioshock infinate is glorifyed Steampunk. A genre already covered by other games like Arcanum and Fable 2/3.
Ehh, it's still less overdone than sci-fi and cyberpunk, though cyberpunk has kinda diminished in popularity so I dunno.
 

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While it is rather overrated as far as games go, it's far from the worst FPS ever.

Its mechanics are functional, and the visual design is pretty top notch, to say the least.

It does have a plethora of problems though, clunky gameplay, a nonsensical storyline, thematic dissonance, the list goes on.

If anyone has 30+ minutes on his hands and is interested in a well-thought review of the game, Matthewmatosis did an excellent critique of it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VdNhwb7iuI4
 
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Have you played literally any Call of Duty, Medal of Honor or Battlefield single player campaign in the last 5 years?

Infinite is unquestionably overrated, but it's not really even bad, let alone worst AAA shooter ever.
 
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What's your favorite game?

Because that's the worst.

Why?

Fuck, I don't know...its use of color. Your favorite game has really ugly colors.

There, I added about as much "discussion" as you would if I gave you an appropriate reply. I'm going on break.
 

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You know, I always had a problem with BI, but could never quite out my finger on it. It felt like I had to will myself through it and you nailed why. The only other complaint I'd have is I had problems with part of the ending, specifically the debt and how Booker paid it. I found it to be a stretch that made me roll my eyes and that's saying something since I deal with parents in real life that are of the lowest caliber.
Booker killing Comstock, or Booker 'dying'? Or the original deal to give up Elizabeth?

What still worked for me was the emotional arc, and the spectacle. There was some exquisitely beautiful and moving sequences, and given few games can ever hit those heights I'm very forgiving of it. Well, apart from the braindead gameplay... which is admittedly a considerable stumbling block. If I play it again I'll just shove it on the lowest diff and try to breeze through the action.
 

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Samtemdo8 said:
even the site itself was overpraising Ellie:

http://www.escapistmagazine.com/articles/view/features/10281-Meeting-Ellie-How-an-NPC-Became-the-Face-of-the-Game

Jeez writer you calling her the Face of Gaming is a bit much huh? And she only just appeared in one game :p
Erm, if you read the article, you'd notice that claim is not made at all. And the title clearly states "face of the game" and not "face of gaming". A bit hard to mistake one for the other, given that one is composed of an article and a word, the other isn't. Also, "The Game" refers to the one she appears in, not even "every game ever".

From the article said:
But rather than attaching their adoration to Joel, as certain focus testing might have predicted, fans have decided that Ellie is the star of the show, regardless of the fact that we won't be playing as her.
Which relates to the title.

Feel free to dislike stuff, but please don't let it cloud your senses, for the article is very obviously, not what you present it as.
 

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What? Oh. Uh, sure. Yes. Bioshock Infinite was the worst AAA FPS ever. Who needs story? Who needs compelling characters? Who needs fun, dynamic FPS combat?

Bioshock Infinite didn't live up to exactly and precisely the hype train that preceded it, and failed to literally fellate me upon release. Obviously that's what makes it a worse game than, say, Daikatana or Aliens: Colonial Marines or Duke Nukem Forever, in spite of each of those games having a similarly ridiculous level of hype surrounding them and turning out to be unfun buggy/highly problematic messes.
 

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Bioshock Infinite was pretty great, imo. Gunplay wasn't amazing but was functional enough. Atmosphere was brilliant, always the series' strong point. Level design wasn't always as straightforward as that pic implies, and was pretty well planned in places. Enjoyed it a lot.

Worst AAA FPS I've played is probably Quake 4.
Ooh, speaking of Id, Enemy Territory: Quake Wars. All the boredom of quake 4 mixed with the desecrated corpse of the greatest f2p shooter and nonfunctional netcode
 

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No. /thread

More detailed answer? The graphics were colourful, the story was interesting (although the ending was a bit confusing), Elizabeth was an NPC who actually helped instead of getting in the way, voice acting was amazing, the combination of guns and vigors allowed for some creative tactical gameplay.

All of those points elevate it above CoD and all the other super serious boring as hell real world military shooters.

Heck, its not even the worst Bioshock game, because that award goes to #2.
 

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Darth Rosenberg said:
Booker killing Comstock, or Booker 'dying'? Or the original deal to give up Elizabeth?
The original deal, specifically Booker's motivation. It felt like an after thought. Like they hadn't planned it ahead and wrote the story in the sequence the gamer experiences it so when they got to the part of explaining why Booker gave up his child, they just threw in a half-baked reason. It made no sense to me and really hurt the overall experience for me.
 

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A new skill that I have acquired is being able to tell a B-Cell thread from a non-B-Cell thread, only by reading the title.

So far, I have only been wrong once.

OT: No, it isn't. Don't be silly. There are much, much worse AAA FPS games out there. BioShock Infinite didn't have 10/10 great combat, but oh boy, no way is it WORST GAME EVAR. Please, B-Cell. Please. There are other colours in this world than black and white.
 

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LetalisK said:
It felt like I had to will myself through it and you nailed why. The only other complaint I'd have is I had problems with part of the ending, specifically the debt and how Booker paid it. I found it to be a stretch that made me roll my eyes and that's saying something since I deal with parents in real life that are of the lowest caliber.
I'm guessing that you're talking about Booker giving away Elizabeth. Yeah, that seemed pretty contrived, but given some of the messed-up stuff I've heard parents do, not entirely unbelievable.

I guess, to me, BioShock Infinite works better as a commentary piece than an actual story. For all the time they spent making the unbelievable world of Colombia come alive, that didn't seem to translate that well to characters and story. I know the BioShock games all had pretty whacky characters, but whereas characters like Dr. Steinmann and Sander Cohen felt like they belonged in Rapture and were believably insane, most of the major characters in Infinite felt...fake and unconvincing. Maybe it was the often-times cringe-worthy dialogue. Maybe it was the contrived power fantasy behind so many of the characters. Maybe it is all the time the game spent masquerading as one story while telling a completely different one.

Whatever the case, I've played BioShock Infinite a few times, and I've never really felt a strong connection to the characters and story that they get caught up in. Sure, I love the commentary it offers on storytelling in video games, but it is a shame that the story it tells isn't that great. I can't deny, though, that the world, commentary, and flying around the sky rail keeps me coming back every once in a while.
 

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I think it's one of the best, actually.
Agreed. Personally I found it funny that the OP said it scored better than Half Life 2 (to paraphrase) as if that was shocking in some way. It IS better than Half Life 2. Half Life 2 is not a particularly impressive game, and it wasn't at the time that it launched either (I bought it a little after launch to see what the hype was all about). It was an impressive tech demo for its time, but as a game its pretty unremarkable.


IceForce said:
Looks like someone's never played Aliens: Colonial Marines.
A:CM gets way more criticism than it deserves. Its not brilliant, and it was apparently a bit buggy at launch, but the way people talk about it you'd think that it actually murdered their family. Seemingly mainly because it didn't match up to the trailer that was shown.

There are way, way worse shooters around. By far.
Yeah, I was not that impressed with Half-Life. Good game but not our Lord and Saviour like most people think. I remember multiplayer in (I think) HL2 where you could shoot a rocket and then move the reticule, which the rocket tracks. Shooting people around the corner was awesome.

But then everyone thinks Witcher 3 is our Lord and Saviour. Don't get me wrong, still the best game of last year, but there is so much that could have been improved. It had so many flaws and bugs its pretty aggravating. I got the season pass but I just cant get to it because of this (same with Fallout 4 actually).
 

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*Rolls eyes* Jesus christ, you people. Not even in the slightest. It's not even anywhere near a bad game.
 

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No. /thread

More detailed answer? The graphics were colourful, the story was interesting (although the ending was a bit confusing), Elizabeth was an NPC who actually helped instead of getting in the way, voice acting was amazing, the combination of guns and vigors allowed for some creative tactical gameplay.

All of those points elevate it above CoD and all the other super serious boring as hell real world military shooters.

Heck, its not even the worst Bioshock game, because that award goes to #2.
While I do think the author of this thread is speaking in hyperbole, I have to agree in one thing: infinite wasn't as good as it could've been and is, in all honesty, the worst bioshock game.
The graphics were undeniably beautiful, but the story was half-baked and not fully realized. Instead of focusing on Booker and Elizabeth's connection, developing it more before the big twist, they just spring it on you with no real buildup. There should've been more moments like the beach segment after rescuing Elizabeth, so that when the twist came, it was actually impactful. Then the ending came, which was a mediocre attempt to explore the infinite realities theory, trying to recapture the feelings that the objectivist stylings of the first bioshock made gamers feel. People rag on 2 for exploring rapture again, but it did so in areas not seen before both in environment and story terms, with the theme being collectivist in nature, which provided a great opposite to the objectivist theme of 1.

I played infinite directly after a playthrough of 1 and 2, and a lot of things were different and not in a good way. The gunplay actually improved from 1 to 2, it became even smoother and worked far better in Union with the plasmids than infinite. In infinite, the vigors were, honestly, lackluster variations based on the typical stuff from the previous two bioshock games, none of them felt unique enough to truly necessitate some sort of usage and in the end, only the fire and kicking vigor saw extensive use. That is nothing compared to how stiff the gun controls were and how the enemies had too much hp, yes the skyhook was fun to use and remained useful to quickly traverse the areas during a fight, but that isn't enough to make up for the mediocre gunplay that was comparable to call of duty 3 at best.

Most erroneously however, was just how irking the dlc was for infinite. I was expecting further exploration into Columbia. It was a beautiful, fascinating environment that, though the logs and main story failed to capitalize on it, was still open for further exploration into the culture and other environments that likely existed. Instead, they retreated back to bioshock 1's environment and repeated rapture, trying to mix infinite with the original as to tie them together in someway, but still failing and making it all just reek of the developers not caring about how legitimate the new additions felt. I played through infinite once and that was more than enough, compared to the five plus times I've played bioshock 1 and 2.

Bioshocks infinite will always remain my most disappointing preorder.