Was Goku Retarded?
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I've never understood that either. I enjoyed it when I watched it in theaters, and I enjoyed it again when it came on TV a few months back. The main argument I've heard basically boils down to "It's sci-fi instead of fantasy, therefore it sucks." Thing is, Indiana Jones has never been about the objects he was searching for; it's always been about the quest itself. That's why Indiana Jones and the Last Crusade was such a fitting end to the series -- the quest for the grail is the ur example of the end of the quest being less important than the quest itself. Besides, anyone who thinks Crystal Skull is the worst in the series clearly hasn't seen Temple of Doom. Unnecessary, maybe, but then so were Terminator 2 and Aliens, and I think we've all heard people arguing that those were better than their respective originals, and can admit that it's a valid opinion, whether we agree with it or not.teh_Canape said:
OT: I'd imagine if given an IQ test, Goku wouldn't exactly be a genius. Whether he'd be low enough to be considered mentally retarded or not, I doubt he'd score 100, let alone any higher. Maybe 75-85?
idk, if you include the scene from the abridged series where she dreams vegata has come to rape her, kinda?Thunderhorse31 said:
as for goku, I get the feeling that had he not gotten the brain damage, he would have been kinda like his brother radits. you know, arrogant and evil. But it has to be something he got from his mother, because from what we saw in Bardok, his father was pretty intelligent and noble.
But the head injuries that caused his stupidity are probably what allowed him to become as powerful as he did. since for generations such power was unatainable by anyone but the saiyan elite, we know this from vegeta, but goku reaches super saiyan first. Its this child minded innocence that lets him plow on despite social norms and allows him to gain unimaginable power.
as for the whole abonding his family bit, he was a fighter in a realm where his power was becoming uneeded. were I given the same choice I would doubtlessly choose the same. Its the same reason that superman and batman leave Earth in Generations. Once you've beaten everyone, find more people to beat up.
this is also his blood talking. We have to remember he comes from a family of warriors. sitting on his ass shooting the breeze is not his style, its not in his blood. It was inevitable that he would go off and fight.
I'm going to be that guy.
Prove it to me. "numerous occasions" and giving one example of where he needed to train in order to save the world (thus having the personal judgement to put the needs of the many over the needs of the few) is not a good example.
And people hit their head all the time, plus Goku was super duper strong. He gets dinged up all the time. A good whack ain't gonna do much. If your talking about his childlike nature, then that's more a characterization aspect then mental disability. Look, I'm not a huge fan of the show, but I'm calling you out on this one
Prove it to me. "numerous occasions" and giving one example of where he needed to train in order to save the world (thus having the personal judgement to put the needs of the many over the needs of the few) is not a good example.
And people hit their head all the time, plus Goku was super duper strong. He gets dinged up all the time. A good whack ain't gonna do much. If your talking about his childlike nature, then that's more a characterization aspect then mental disability. Look, I'm not a huge fan of the show, but I'm calling you out on this one
Raised in a highly unorthodox manner? Yes.
Hopelessly naive and optimistic in nature? Without a doubt.
Brain damaged? Not really, no.
I am suprised that so few people realise this. Afterall, that was the entire premise behind the original Dragonball anime and half of the jokes in it; it was a story about a unnaturally talented boy who lead a simple life, but, due to necessity, makes contact with civilization and faces all of its not-so-simple intricacies.
But then again, the original Dragonball was never popular in the West.
Hopelessly naive and optimistic in nature? Without a doubt.
Brain damaged? Not really, no.
I am suprised that so few people realise this. Afterall, that was the entire premise behind the original Dragonball anime and half of the jokes in it; it was a story about a unnaturally talented boy who lead a simple life, but, due to necessity, makes contact with civilization and faces all of its not-so-simple intricacies.
But then again, the original Dragonball was never popular in the West.
first off, he got strong later in life, second off, he fell off a cliff. This isn't standing up and hitting your head on a low hanging shelf, he fell off a cliff. Only his saiyan blood allowed him to survive. I'm betting, bare minimum, his skull cracked open.Kuchinawa212 said:
He was also only 2 at the time. 2. how many 2 year old you know fall off cliffs, land head first, and survive? let alone without severe brain damage.
I very much want to unread that. Alas, it is stuck in my head. I'll get you next time NotSoNimble! NEEEXXXTTTT TTIIIIMMMMEEE!!NotSoNimble said:
OT: I have heard that theory before, and it makes some sense. But what about how he GOT there in the first place? I mean as a saiyan, he was sent across the universe and landed there. So is he... a... retarded Saiyan?
The alien who was part monkey, from another planet, who lived in a world filled with dinosaurs, could destroy entire planets by firing a laser from his hand, and who performed magic by summoning a dragon that could make wishes come true...
It's hilarious arguing about the IQ level of this type of character.
It's hilarious arguing about the IQ level of this type of character.
He definitely is in DBZ Abridged 
As for in the actual series, I'd have to say... maybe, just maybe, slightly. But I think it's just that he's eternally naive, maybe because he wasn't raised the same way his race usually is raised.
They're usually raised in a very basic way. Kill. Survive. Kill again. Get stronger. He was taught compassion, so that probably messed with his built-in instincts.
And the head injury probably didn't help much...
As for in the actual series, I'd have to say... maybe, just maybe, slightly. But I think it's just that he's eternally naive, maybe because he wasn't raised the same way his race usually is raised.
They're usually raised in a very basic way. Kill. Survive. Kill again. Get stronger. He was taught compassion, so that probably messed with his built-in instincts.
And the head injury probably didn't help much...
this. its a cartoon, i dont think the writer(s) thought that in detail about it =\crudus said:
i dont think he was retarded, if a "retard" can follow that fast of movements and be able to think that fast, then i dont know what you would call me.
good sir, me and all my childhood friends would like to power up and have a talk with you, our scanners from 4th grade are proof of your foul language.Tom Phoenix said:
Except you're looking at this too narrowly. He is an alien, for all we know that's what a Saiyan develops like without a violent tribe-like upbringing. He may do things differently not because he's intellectually disabled but rather because he simply thinks in a completely different manner.
Not really, just naive from growing up with just his grampa in the middle of nowhere. Even when he went out on adventure and left the house with Bulma, he was still naive and he didn't stay anywhere for a long enough period of time to real learn how to socially interact.
The place he stayed the longest was with Master Roshi and he was a full blown pervert and took advantage of Goku nativity from time to time in order to try and get himself laid (not in that way you sick bastards).
The whole point of Goku in the series was that Goku was pure of heart because he'd never had to face the social bounds of everyday life. He knew no real hate of anyone or didn't really know about caste system or anything like that. Well that's my interpretation.
The place he stayed the longest was with Master Roshi and he was a full blown pervert and took advantage of Goku nativity from time to time in order to try and get himself laid (not in that way you sick bastards).
The whole point of Goku in the series was that Goku was pure of heart because he'd never had to face the social bounds of everyday life. He knew no real hate of anyone or didn't really know about caste system or anything like that. Well that's my interpretation.
Yes... Yes she was. Biiiiig time. Also, she wasn't too bothered about getting her tits our or even pulling up her skirt as long as it got her a Dragon Ball.Thunderhorse31 said: