Was it prudent of Jennifer Lawrence to take pictures of herself nude in the first place? Y/N?

[sneakypenguin]

She's fine to take them but naive to not control them better.

Its like having a nice car parking in the hood and leaving the top down with the keys in the seat, its gonna get stolen. I'm personally fine with some measure of victim blaming when something is so obviously avoidable.
There's so many things in life that aren't our fault but have such easy solutions that criticism can be assigned when we don't take basic precautions. In regards to jlaw she could store them locally, use some sort of encryption theres so many options that are easy to use other than upload them to a vulnerable cloud account with known exploits.

We should have a reasonable expectation of privacy/not to have stuff taken but at the same time we know people will take them so at least don't leave the front door unlocked for them.

 

[Imperioratorex Caprae]

I think its kind of stupid to believe in this day and age that if you put anything remotely sensitive like say nude pictures of oneself on the internet that it will be any kinds of secure or safe. Now multiply the stupidity and head-in-sand nature of that by about 20 if the person in question is a celebrity.
Yeah she's got a right to be mad, but some of that should be also directed at herself for leaving those pics online. There is no promise of security online that holds any weight, and blame Apple or whoever else all you want but the real honest to god fault is putting those pics out there in the first place. Keep 'em on your home PC or whatever, somewhere that isn't connected.
Sorry, its not victim blaming, its honest to god truth. You don't have common sense/contemporary wisdom or choose to ignore it then the consequences are what they are.

 

[carnex]

I think it her own god damn business. She wanted to take nude pictures of herself? Or sex pictures? Or whatever pictures that are not law breaking? It her own business.

That said, it's today's reality that once you take them they are at serious risk of being exposed to outer world.Just like I said with every other case, if you expose yourself to risk there is a greater chance that the trouble will find you. Is it her fault? No, she didn't spread them, someone violated her privacy. But, at the same time pictures wouldn't be stolen if they didn't exist in the first place.

In other words, think before you do some things. It can save you a lot of pain even if your actions are totally benign on the surface.

 

[otakon17]

Owning a bike is not a societal taboo and is NOT inviting anyone to steal it. You don't INVITE anyone to take something from you unless you actually do so or are foolish to the extreme with it. Nakedness and sexuality however is and even the act of just putting it out "there" is a massive risk. This is more along the lines of throwing out your personalized porn stash improperly and someone taking it for themselves afterwards and sharing it with their scum buddies. It's dirty laundry that wasn't properly handled. Doesn't mean they deserved it to happen however.

So apparently an image of someone naked is `inviting` people to hack it and you pretty much threw it out to people?

Ew. Dude I think I'm done talking about this.

Said way back in my first post, you're not gonna change your mind about it.

Did you even read what I posted? No it's NOT inviting them to take it because it's there, I used that as an example of improperly handling something of this nature. Doing ANYTHING is not an invitation for some scumbag to take advantage of you doing it. You have jumped to conclusions on this post, I have said multiple times it is not.

 

[otakon17]

I think it her own god damn business. She wanted to take nude pictures of herself? Or sex pictures? Or whatever pictures that are not law breaking? It her own business.

That said, it's today's reality that once you take them they are at serious risk of being exposed to outer world.Just like I said with every other case, if you expose yourself to risk there is a greater chance that the trouble will find you. Is it her fault? No, she didn't spread them, someone violated her privacy. But, at the same time pictures wouldn't be stolen if they didn't exist in the first place.

In other words, think before you do some things. It can save you a lot of pain even if your actions are totally benign on the surface.

That's ALL I've been saying is consider the consequences of your actions online. I have never said she's not ALLOWED to or that it was WRONG of her to do so. Just that it wasn't prudent.

 

[Battenberg]

I'd say it was careless of her in the same way that not using antivirus is careless. Ultimately all she did is underestimate the lengths people would go to violate her privacy.

The only people at fault are the ones who failed to protect her privacy (and those who endeavoured to exploit this failure in order to steal very private content from strangers.

 

[idarkphoenixi]

She has a right to do whatever she wants. But a big name celebrity doesn't have a reasonable expectation of privacy...unfortunately.

She should be aware this kind of this is going to happen, as should anyone else of a similar status.

I feel terrible for her and I wish this kind of thing COULD stay private but it's never going to because that's the world we live in. You can find whoever leaked the pictures, give him whatever punishment you feel it fair but this is just going to happen again to a different set of celebrities at some other point.

It's not victim "blaming" to say that highly influential people are at incredibly high risk of having personal information put out there.

 

[Max_imus]

Ohboy. I only have two points to say about this:

1) It is within everyone's rights to take pictures in whatever pose or state of being dressed they choose. It is also within everyone's rights to trust a service like iCloud and trust that their privacy will be protected by this service.

2) It is sickening that people seem to think they have the right to expose private information of people without their consent while keeping their own identity private and defending their privacy with tooth and nail.

Come on people, this is a thing of common courtesy.

 

[TransGamer]

]There were other ways. Like sending them a sext. Or calling them on the phone. Or meeting with them in person for naughty times with the shades lowered and the curtains closed. All things involve risk and some things are more risky than others. The risk of exposure in this case outweighs the satisfaction of a successful flirt, to me anyway. Hindsight is 20/20 and all and it most definitely was not worth it at this point.

You're still blaming the people who had a crime perpetrated against them. All of those pictures are between consenting adults; some are even between spouses. We're to blame them for poor judgement but not the people who actually engaged in theft? If so, why?

 

[Mullac]

I really can't understand how anyone would blame Jennifer Lawrence for the pictures being leaked. Isn't it obvious that it is solely the hacker's fault. She made a choice to take the pictures, which is perfectly fine unless you have an issue with any kind of nude picture being taken while in the privacy oh your home and only for that privacy, and the hacker made the choice to broadcast them, which is obviously morally wrong!

 

[Lightknight]

Eh, she should have done whatever she wanted to do. Boobs are just boobs, people. Bunch of fatty tissue cells and whatever foreign material like silicone has been implanted. Fun to squeeze and useful for nursing but not much else other than them. I've got man boobs too. Anyone want a picture [/joke]?

Now, in doing so did she leave herself open for exploitation? Sure. In the same way that you walking down the street leaves you vulnerable to getting mugged. It doesn't mean she did anything wrong by doing it anymore than you walking down the street is you doing something wrong.

I don't know this particular situation. But whoever was responsible for storing them (if a third party) is partially to blame for bad security and whoever stole and released them are to blame by far the most.

The "crime" at hand here is them being stolen and released. She is merely responsible for them existing which is not itself a crime/problem. She did not steal them. She did not release them. She had no part in that anymore than a gem cutter is responsible for a pristine cut gem existing that a thief then shows up and steals.

Should she have been more careful? Sure. Does that mean she shares blame for what a criminal did? Nope.

There's a balancing act to perform here. On the one hand there is some onus on people to protect themselves. But that doesn't make them responsible for the crime. They are two distinct and separate issues. They were unwise and, on another note, someone did something bad. They are responsible for being unwise. They are not responsible for someone deciding to take their stuff.

 

[briankoontz]

This situation is so filled with ridiculous irony.

So let's get this straight - people whose large degree of wealth is based on other people looking at idealized (makeup, helpful lighting, camera angles, photoshopping, editing, etc) versions of their often nearly-naked bodies are upset that now people are looking at non-idealized versions of their nearly-naked or fully naked bodies.

This is the core of what's happening here. It's not about privacy - it's about controlling the way one's body is perceived. These are, except for the posing and whatever minor day-to-day enhancements these women are using at the time, NATURAL images of the women. This is the problem for them, not the "lack of privacy".

There's no GLAMOUR to these images. While this lack of glamour might be fine for their boyfriends, it abhors them for their "fans" to see them minus the glamour that their cadre of photographers, editors, makeup artists, etc. usually provide them.

These are women who have already put their barely clothed or not clothed bodies on display, in the context of idealization and wealth maximization. These women forgo privacy to exploit others for their own profit, and it's the perceived injury to their ability to continue to exploit that's the problem. But of course privacy is used as the excuse, as it's potentially a more effective argument than the truth.

It's heroic to post these images. It shows human beings so far bedazzled by glamour into worshiping these women the truth about what these women actually look like.

These images are in no way an attack on the women - they are an attack on the *image machines* - the system of editors, makeup artists, movie studios, photoshoppers, and the like who control and idealize the IMAGES of the women that they so kindly ALLOW into the world.

This is an attack on Sports Illustrated, Hollywood, Maxim, and the like. It's a very big fuck you to them, and I love it.

 

[klaynexas3]

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This on a theoretical stand point.

On a practical stand point, she should have thought ahead about the possibilities of the bad things that could happen in the scenario, as all people should when they are deciding what actions to make. However, there is no reason to shove that in their face, they are already suffering because of these assholes, we don't need to remind them that it happened.

Yes, in a perfect world you shouldn't have to worry about that kind of stuff. Well, we don't live in a perfect world. I'm not going to blame them, but that doesn't stop me from thinking they should have thought this through a little more thoroughly. It's the same reason you put anti-virus programs on your computer or use a condom when having sex(or not even having that sex at all for that matter), it shouldn't have to be your job to look out for yourself, but it's an intelligent thing to do.

 

[Kathinka]

how about anyone can take any pictures of themselves however the fuck they please without being blamed?

now, uploading the stuff to a cloud, on the other hand..maybe a little bit their fault. not totally, since it's supposed to be private and save. but what really is nowadays.

 

[klaynexas3]

Eh, she should have done whatever she wanted to do. Boobs are just boobs, people. Bunch of fatty tissue cells and whatever foreign material like silicone has been implanted. Fun to squeeze and useful for nursing but not much else other than them. I've got man boobs too. Anyone want a picture

[/joke]

Oh. Well, um...well this is awkward isn't it. I think I might just, um...*jumps out a window running into the night*

 

[Pyrian]

I'm curious if all these people crying "victim blaming" play the same card for Apple. Should we absolve Apple of their responsibility to our privacy on account of the fact that it's "entirely" the fault of the hacker? I don't.

 

[Timpossible]

What?
She can do with her Body whatevery she wants. Not just Jennifer Lawrence.
Everyone can do what he wants as long no one else get's hurt.
If she's okay with making private nudies of herself than she can 100% do it.
The Scanal is not that those pictures exist or were made. The existence
of those pictures do not change my view of those women in any way.

About the Privacy of celebrities
Celebrities have a public persona. This Persona interacts with Fans and the Media,
who are still strangers to those celebrities. How much of the Private Person is in this
Persona can vary very much from person to peron. This Persona and the puplic have some
kind of mutual beneficial relationship "celebrity X givs Autographs, Interviews and stuff and
the plublic get's someting to well...like and "identify" with.

But a celebritie's actual privat life? Their actual sexuality? Their fears and most inner thoughts?
Its non of our business. Even if an Actress is nude in front of the camera. It's still something
very different from their actual self beeing nude.
Nothing justifies this violation of privatcy that happend there. Nothing.

The only thing that can be argued about is if it was the smartest thing to
do to have those pics/vids in a cloud. It wasn't dump. I mean those services are
supposed to be save. It would have been smartER to store them on a local
Hard-Drive or USB Stick at their home. But still: It was NOT a "Why the Fuck did she do this?"-Move.

But I think it is like parking your car in a public parking lot that is supposed to be guarded. Yes.
It would be safer to have your car in your garage at home, but maybe it's not possible for some reason.
Noone can blame you to trust a service that's supposed to be save.

It's not like those pics where in some public facebook folder or in an open network.

So who's to blame? The Hacker. He's the only one to blame.
If there was a breach at iCloud Apple also has to take some part of the blame. I doubt that Apple wasn't at least sloppy. But I don't know how much energy the Hacker had to put into this. If he had it easy: Apple is to blame. If you offer a Service it is your responsibilty to make it safe for your customer. If you can't do that, you have to take at least some of the blame.
But in general: Only The Hacker/Thief is to blame. Everything else is in my opinion at least quite cynical.

 

[Lightknight]

Eh, she should have done whatever she wanted to do. Boobs are just boobs, people. Bunch of fatty tissue cells and whatever foreign material like silicone has been implanted. Fun to squeeze and useful for nursing but not much else other than them. I've got man boobs too. Anyone want a picture

[/joke]

Oh. Well, um...well this is awkward isn't it. I think I might just, um...*jumps out a window running into the night*

Oh.... well, this isn't me but feel free to enjoy this video:

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