I agree that the Snowden leaks are many orders of magnitude more valuable, but they are similar in general effect (hurting the powers that be and benefiting the people).Spot1990 said:No, these releases have violated the privacy of people who's only crime was trying to have a private life, this is not comparable to the Snowden leaks because he was exposing crimes and you're justifying sexual abuse.
It's creepy and makes no sense that you call this sexual abuse. So Paris Hilton was sexually abusing herself by releasing her sex tape? What if someone else had released Paris Hilton's sex tape... that makes it sexual abuse?
Our disagreement is partly based on differing ideas of the meaning of a naked body. All a naked body is is a body without clothes or other covering - it's not sexual in particular. Would you be as upset if personal photos of them FULLY CLOTHED were released instead? - it's fair to say that at least you wouldn't claim "sexual abuse" as a factor - but this is just your own puritanical bias rather than something rational. Think about one's sexual desire for one's wife or girlfriend - one's desire for her when she has clothes on is the same as one's desire when she's naked, because it's HER one desires, not a naked version of her. If that were not the case, there would be no reason for her to take her clothes off in the first place.
The best way to show a non-glamoured human is to show them naked, because clothes themselves are part of glamour, and the market value (value to the glamour industry and otherwise) of these women is due in substantial part to their bodies. So it's particularly valuable to show them naked.
Noone is having sex in these photos. Even if they were, the "entertainment" industry already tells us what the sex lives are of these celebrities, so this would not be new information. Your anger should be against TMZ and the like instead - they are actually doing the things that you decry.more women have their privacy violated and their sex lives dragged kicking and screaming into the public eye against their will
You're the one who thinks that naked women = sexual, you choose to believe that. I guess you believe that clothes magically transform them from sexual beings into non-sexual beings.You just don't understand how wanting to oggle naked or semi-naked women works do you?
There are quite a few reasons people want to see naked celebrities, too many to go into in this post. It's not nearly as simple and perverse as you're implying.
I agree in principle that even celebrities should have some control over their personal lives, despite that virtually all of their wealth and privilege is based on their public lives. But the cost to these women of having personal images of themselves made public is very low - most of these women already displayed heavily glamoured versions of what these photos depict. And the cost is more than offset by the benefit to the people of seeing these women deglamoured.
What people say and the reality of it is often two different things. It makes no sense to not be able to masturbate to these women previously and suddenly be able to as a result of these images, especially since they are unglamoured and therefore "less attractive" to people who are trained to prefer glamoured versions of women.Yeah that's why everyone's blaming them and referring to this as "the fappening" so much respect.
If someone chooses to masturbate to one of these images instead of one that the women themselves have consented to then that completely goes against your own position that magazines like Sports Illustrated and Maxim won't continue to be successful.
I'd love to believe that people are turning against glamour and can't masturbate to Hollywood images of these women, and finally are able to masturbate to them now that they are unglamoured. But I see no reason for such optimism.
That's not what I'm saying. I'm saying that individuals and leakers can TAKE CONTROL of the images of women's bodies - what do you think the movement that Paris Hilton started is all about? Did a corporation post the Paris Hilton sextape? Did TMZ expose it? Was Sports Illustrated, Hollywood, or Maxim involved? No, PARIS HILTON did it.That's not true, if it were Kim Kardashian wouldn't even have a career anymore. Nobody who's had nudes or sex tapes leaked would still be getting work in that industry. Because that's not how it works.
This is what these leaks can lead to. What if the world starts *preferring* unglamoured women's bodies? What if women can just take photos of themselves, leak them to the internet, and get famous? Maxim - dead. Sports Illustrated - badly injured. Hollywood - injured.
These photos show that the MIDDLEMAN and all the nonsense that surrounds it - paparazzi, TMZ, the whole industry, can die.
Wouldn't that be a far better world to live in?