Was Mass Effect 3's really that bad? (SPOILERS)
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No, it's not that bad. It has its problems, and it feels like the game was rushed in the end, but it's not as terrible as people say. It's one more effect of the Internet echo-chamber negative feedback machine ("and now the whole trilogy is ruined forever!!!!!1111").
Sorry, I wasn't really that clear. The impression I got when I was reading up on the ending was that the development team was forced to release the game earlier than they wanted, and that one guy basically wrote the ending without consulting anyone else. As EA now owns bioware, they would be the ones pressuring them to release at a given time.ChrisRedfield92 said:
That said I could be very very wrong, that's just the impression I got.
The only real problem i had with the endings was that their was no closure. I mean after you make your final choice you get a very big ending cutscence, Joker crashes Normandy on some random jungle planet, role credits, then show that really stupid bit at the end with the kid and his grandpa.
I just want to know what happens to the galaxy i saved.
I just want to know what happens to the galaxy i saved.
This was my problem with the ending:
You, as Shepard, spend the entirety of three games protecting the galaxy. You put yourself in immense danger for the sake of keeping the inhabitants of space safe.
Suddenly, you get to the end of Mass Effect 3. Suddenly, Shepard blindly follows the explinations of a random Star-Child who had had no previous foreshadowing or character. Suddenly, you destroy the entire Mass Relay system. Suddenly, you have NO CHOICE but to cause immesurable damage to the galaxy, which you had been trying to save this entire time!
My point is not that you don't have choice. My point is that your actions go against EVERYTHING that you, as Shepard, had been doing up until those last five minutes.
You, as Shepard, spend the entirety of three games protecting the galaxy. You put yourself in immense danger for the sake of keeping the inhabitants of space safe.
Suddenly, you get to the end of Mass Effect 3. Suddenly, Shepard blindly follows the explinations of a random Star-Child who had had no previous foreshadowing or character. Suddenly, you destroy the entire Mass Relay system. Suddenly, you have NO CHOICE but to cause immesurable damage to the galaxy, which you had been trying to save this entire time!
My point is not that you don't have choice. My point is that your actions go against EVERYTHING that you, as Shepard, had been doing up until those last five minutes.
Since we're talking about this - news on the Extended Cut June 26th (apparently) http://www.masseffect.com/about/extended_cut/
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3y7xk1_x8ko&feature=player_detailpage
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3y7xk1_x8ko&feature=player_detailpage
It's been said already multiple times, but I want to reiterate that the mechanics of the ending are not the real problem (as bad as those are) as the Op seems to be focusing on. It's the horrible story telling. This series, and bioware games in general, have always focused on telling a story and they had done a good job of it. To suddenly change the entire direction, theme, and mood of the story in the last 10 minutes is not good story telling. I could go on about the mechanics, such as all the work that went into the war assets through the game and having it mean absolutely nothing at the end, but I still could have forgiven that if the story had been satisfying.
It was not though. I give lots of leeway to people having different opinions on what is good and what is not (there are many authors I consider terrible yet they still sell lots of books for some reason), but you cannot even give that cop out for this ending. It is not consistant with the story of everything before it, and that is simply bad story telling. You are deluding yoruself if you think otherwise, and that is the main problem with the ending and why so many people are angry with it.
It was not though. I give lots of leeway to people having different opinions on what is good and what is not (there are many authors I consider terrible yet they still sell lots of books for some reason), but you cannot even give that cop out for this ending. It is not consistant with the story of everything before it, and that is simply bad story telling. You are deluding yoruself if you think otherwise, and that is the main problem with the ending and why so many people are angry with it.
I think that the biggest problem with ME3's endings was that you don't really get to see the impact of your decision.
Why did 'you' play the game?
If it was for the game style, cover and shoot, get better and upgraded guns, and just beat up baddies in a fun sci-fi atmosphere, the ending probably didn;t have too much of an impact on 'you.'
If you played the game for the story, the epic three game long 75+ hour journey with engaging characters, meaningful connections and dialogue, making all those bloody hard choices, and becoming emotionally invested in the entire world, the ending is going to impact you. Hard. And not in any conceivably positive way.
I am of the latter opinion. I am in agreement with Zhukov.
And at worst, you get Zhukov's analysis. Just a jumbled mess of unconnected ideas that have no real link to the games we have been playing in first place.
Mass Effect 3 broke me for Bioware games. After the complete and utter emotional letdown of that ending to their incredible sprawling epic, unless they do something amazing with the extended cut, they will get no more of my money, either through future games or DLC.
And oh my god, I had never seen that 40 minutes video, that is a perfect summation!
If it was for the game style, cover and shoot, get better and upgraded guns, and just beat up baddies in a fun sci-fi atmosphere, the ending probably didn;t have too much of an impact on 'you.'
If you played the game for the story, the epic three game long 75+ hour journey with engaging characters, meaningful connections and dialogue, making all those bloody hard choices, and becoming emotionally invested in the entire world, the ending is going to impact you. Hard. And not in any conceivably positive way.
I am of the latter opinion. I am in agreement with Zhukov.
At best, you get an explosion the segregates or kills off everything. Hell, DLC for the second game, it was explained that a destroyed Mass Relay has the energy to wipe out an entire solar system. It sucks, but at least one can find closure in 'everything died.'Zhukov said:
And at worst, you get Zhukov's analysis. Just a jumbled mess of unconnected ideas that have no real link to the games we have been playing in first place.
Mass Effect 3 broke me for Bioware games. After the complete and utter emotional letdown of that ending to their incredible sprawling epic, unless they do something amazing with the extended cut, they will get no more of my money, either through future games or DLC.
And oh my god, I had never seen that 40 minutes video, that is a perfect summation!
We do know what happened. Everyone starved to death as they were stuck in orbit around a scorched Earth which would probably not even have enough food for the humans alone.Zhukov said:
And let's not forget the Turians and Quarians with their Dextro DNA.
Alternatively, the Krogans eat everyone.
Funny thing.Jynthor said:
The writers say that none of that happened. They also say that a significant portion of the Citadel's population survived (don't ask me how).
Apparently they just forgot to add any of that information into the actual bloody game.
Well I can tell you that. They all died. If they went to earth they can't get home, if they were at colonies or home planets they couldn't survive cut off or they perished when the world ran out of resources.Zhukov said:
-^ that is one of my reasons it is shitty
-plot holes: Why was Joker leaving? He always pulls you ass out of the fire, ALWAYS!
-It didn't fit the theme of the game: Mass Effect isn't Battle Star Glactica, it isn't about synthetics vs. organics.
-It doesn't make sense why the Mass Effect Relays had to blow up
-a lot of other stuff I can't think of right now
I hated that framing device too, as I took it to mean the entire three games never really happened and all of it was just that old guy making shit up to tell his grand kid.Loken321 said:
Which would of been fine... if Mass Effect 1 opened up that.
I'd argue there is closer in the bad-destroy ending. My Shepard was renegade that wanted to bring peace to the galazy at any cost. With everyone dead? Universe finally has peace.
For me, yes, the ending for ME3 was really bad. However as a game goes, it greatly improved over ME1 and ME2. If it wasn't for the last 10 minutes it'd be perfect.