Ways to deal with overpopulation

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Zeema

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Kill Criminals make crimes alot more punishing

and killl the stupid and the WBC
 

ShindoL Shill

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simple: what do you call 1 major, unforgivable criminal on the moon? problem.
what do you call 5 of these criminals on the moon? problem.
what do you call all the these criminals on the moon? problem solved.

basically, we need to colonise the moon, mars and maybe pluto when we get powerful enough space heaters.
 

TheIronRuler

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Rainforce said:
TheIronRuler said:
No, no, and again no.
As a secular Humanist, the notion of selective breeding in humans (for example, eugenics) is disgusting and the notion that some deserve to live more than others is plain wrong.
These days a man can live for two lives, two generations - literally, the average age in the western world is somewhere between 65 and 70, which means one could live through two lifetimes and accomplish twice more than his counterpart a century ago.
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A solution?
Colonize Mars.
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To tell you the truth, soon the price of food will rise, the availability of food will decrease... You will see bread riots in Seattle in a decade or two. That is how regimes are toppled and people die. A grim future indeed, but a future we cannot avoid.
so you want us to be the disease that spreads through the solar system and later all of space, huh.
always hungry for power, always expanding.

No way man, no EFFING way. We can keep ourselves under control.
you yourself think that we're no animals no more.

we really should rather keep our numbers under control with the little ressources we have.
I mean it's one entire fucking planet, how much more could we need.
Also, why are you giving nonexisting people rights, that's plain retarded. It's not even certain that said people will ever exist.
There's also enough food for everyone, just the way capitalism handles it wastes it en masse.
"A grim future indeed", huh. Well, "you ain't seen nothing yet" :D

@op restricting reproduction seems to be a good way, but I don't really want to trade in our longevity D:
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Why not? Imperialism through the stars sounds fun, but it's a shame we won't be able to find a 'bread basket' world in our solar system.
It's not capitalism I'm talking about. Food really is growing scarcer. The climate is shifting. Just like how the poor in Egypt rose against their regime because they could hardly afford to eat (oversimplification, but go with it), so will others in their own countries. Bounty will always exist, but the number of people that will have such a thing will decrease in the future.
 

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Rainforce said:
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Why can't we expand through space? We'll settle on some hunk of rock, devoid of life (the chances of us running into aliens is incredibly slim), and we use that useless boulder to improve all our lives. Surely that is something worth attempting?
it's a good thing, if you put it like that. but it's a bad thing if we chew through planet by planet because our own one get's too small. I have no problems with outposts for explorative reasons, etc.. just the second we degrade into something that primitive I'm kinda off the boat.
Yeah, chewing through planets would be pretty frickin' stupid, so I can support you on that certainly.
 

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orangeban said:
Rainforce said:
orangeban said:
Why can't we expand through space? We'll settle on some hunk of rock, devoid of life (the chances of us running into aliens is incredibly slim), and we use that useless boulder to improve all our lives. Surely that is something worth attempting?
it's a good thing, if you put it like that. but it's a bad thing if we chew through planet by planet because our own one get's too small. I have no problems with outposts for explorative reasons, etc.. just the second we degrade into something that primitive I'm kinda off the boat.
Yeah, chewing through planets would be pretty frickin' stupid, so I can support you on that certainly.
You're right, Planet cracking might just make us find a device that turns people into necromorphs. Oh, wait, that's the plot for Dead Space.
 

Da Orky Man

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TheIronRuler said:
No, no, and again no.
As a secular Humanist, the notion of selective breeding in humans (for example, eugenics) is disgusting and the notion that some deserve to live more than others is plain wrong.
These days a man can live for two lives, two generations - literally, the average age in the western world is somewhere between 65 and 70, which means one could live through two lifetimes and accomplish twice more than his counterpart a century ago.
.
A solution?
Colonize Mars.
.
To tell you the truth, soon the price of food will rise, the availability of food will decrease... You will see bread riots in Seattle in a decade or two. That is how regimes are toppled and people die. A grim future indeed, but a future we cannot avoid.
Colonising Mars would be a long-term thing. We should start as soon as we can, but we need something to work until then.
I still think China has the best idea. As unpleasant as it is, limiting population growth may be the best solution. That, and investing in GM crops that are much more efficient.
 

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TheIronRuler said:
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Why not? Imperialism through the stars sounds fun, but it's a shame we won't be able to find a 'bread basket' world in our solar system.
It's not capitalism I'm talking about. Food really is growing scarcer. The climate is shifting. Just like how the poor in Egypt rose against their regime because they could hardly afford to eat (oversimplification, but go with it), so will others in their own countries. Bounty will always exist, but the number of people that will have such a thing will decrease in the future.
a bit more modesty couldn't hurt...
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well, I hope future versions of me at least get their chance to stop future versions of you : O

anyways, yes, the climate is shifting, but that's how the world works.
and just because we can actually measure it this time, doesn't mean that mankind hasn't experienced it many times before. Evolution marches on, too, and we already have tons of ways to manipulate the crops we're growing, be it genetically or through irrigation systems, etc..
We're doing fine, most of our problems just stem from our own ignorance. (which sadly is the case for each one of us >_>)
 

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1. Impose restrictions on the number of kids.

2. Focus on lowering the impact of the population (no huge mansions for one douchebag when people are living cramped up like sardines), eliminating personal overindulgence.

3. Colonizing new areas. Underground colonies, underwater colonies, off planet colonization.

In short, lowering or stopping population growth, managing the existing population better so it has fewer negative effects and finding places where to shift the population.
 

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Jack the Potato said:
About a third of the world's population lives in Asia, mostly China and India. Overpopulation is an immediate problem for them, sure. But Europe, America, Australia and Africa have plenty of room to grow for now, though for the Aussies I guess it's a bit tougher to move out from the major cities because 99% of everything in Australia will eviscerate/poison/lay eggs in you if you so much as look at it.
Yes going out back really is like playing Fallout 3, and Mad Max (Road Warrior) was filmed just using locals and a couple of small country rural communities as a back drop =O
 

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Soylent green sounds like an interesting idea... Cut overpopulation and remove world hunger. Win win.

More seriously, I don't think "overpopulation" is the real issue, there's plenty of planet to live on, the problem is economic and political. Countries have borders and governments don't want to share their cookies with the other kids.

Problem is humans are just as stupid, violent and territorial as pretty much every other predatory animal thats ever lived.
 

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The Stop Fucking Fucking Method.

Education is the key. Of course, the countries with overpopulation problems happen to be the ones who are not exactly fond of the notion of an educated populace. Didn't our last beloved Pope tell Kenyans to 'be fruitful and multiply', incidentally?
 

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similar.squirrel said:
The Stop Fucking Fucking Method.

Education is the key. Of course, the countries with overpopulation problems happen to be the ones who are not exactly fond of the notion of an educated populace. Didn't our last beloved Pope tell Kenyans to 'be fruitful and multiply', incidentally?
Congo (Republic of) has one of the highest birth rates in the world... Damn.
On the other hand, it has one of the highest child mortality rate in the world.
Do you get it now?
 

similar.squirrel

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TheIronRuler said:
similar.squirrel said:
The Stop Fucking Fucking Method.

Education is the key. Of course, the countries with overpopulation problems happen to be the ones who are not exactly fond of the notion of an educated populace. Didn't our last beloved Pope tell Kenyans to 'be fruitful and multiply', incidentally?
Congo (Republic of) has one of the highest birth rates in the world... Damn.
On the other hand, it has one of the highest child mortality rate in the world.
Do you get it now?
Not exactly..?
 

rob_simple

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Mass sterilisation.

No more babies, for anyone, we'll have a massive piss up and enjoy the last forty or fifty years of human existence and then draw a line under it.
 

TheIronRuler

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rob_simple said:
Mass sterilisation.

No more babies, for anyone, we'll have a massive piss up and enjoy the last forty or fifty years of human existence and then draw a line under it.
Look at "Children of Men". It won't end very well.
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similar.squirrel said:
TheIronRuler said:
similar.squirrel said:
The Stop Fucking Fucking Method.

Education is the key. Of course, the countries with overpopulation problems happen to be the ones who are not exactly fond of the notion of an educated populace. Didn't our last beloved Pope tell Kenyans to 'be fruitful and multiply', incidentally?
Congo (Republic of) has one of the highest birth rates in the world... Damn.
On the other hand, it has one of the highest child mortality rate in the world.
Do you get it now?
Not exactly..?
It's not only education that is lacking. I won't describe everything here becuase I couldn't be arsed to do it properly, so I'll just put it in points.
1. Low quality and quantity food
2. Low quality Healthcare
3. Low quality and quantity of education
4. Tradition is dominant
5. Population is poor
6. No social safety net --> must have children so that they can take care of you
7. High child mortality --> More births per woman --> women getting married and pregnant at alarming ages.
8. Low quality infrastructure -->pockets of isolated citizens living in tribes --> above problems will continue to exist
And more points... Like I said earlier, can't be arsed.
 

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Technology shall provide. When our ancestors were cold, they invented fire. When they needed to catch food, they invented a spear. When we require more food and space on this planet, we'll find a way. I don't believe overpopulation will be such a big problem, maybe it'll be problem for some period of time but I think we'll get on top of it...The thing I'm worried is if we'll have enough raw materials
 

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Harking back to a recent thread (http://www.escapistmagazine.com/forums/read/18.315537-You-can-now-fuse-any-two-things?page=1) I think the perfect method of population controll would be to merge blizzard and bethesda. That'd teach em