.Rainforce said:so you want us to be the disease that spreads through the solar system and later all of space, huh.TheIronRuler said:No, no, and again no.
As a secular Humanist, the notion of selective breeding in humans (for example, eugenics) is disgusting and the notion that some deserve to live more than others is plain wrong.
These days a man can live for two lives, two generations - literally, the average age in the western world is somewhere between 65 and 70, which means one could live through two lifetimes and accomplish twice more than his counterpart a century ago.
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A solution?
Colonize Mars.
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To tell you the truth, soon the price of food will rise, the availability of food will decrease... You will see bread riots in Seattle in a decade or two. That is how regimes are toppled and people die. A grim future indeed, but a future we cannot avoid.
always hungry for power, always expanding.
No way man, no EFFING way. We can keep ourselves under control.
you yourself think that we're no animals no more.
we really should rather keep our numbers under control with the little ressources we have.
I mean it's one entire fucking planet, how much more could we need.
Also, why are you giving nonexisting people rights, that's plain retarded. It's not even certain that said people will ever exist.
There's also enough food for everyone, just the way capitalism handles it wastes it en masse.
"A grim future indeed", huh. Well, "you ain't seen nothing yet"
@op restricting reproduction seems to be a good way, but I don't really want to trade in our longevity D:
Yeah, chewing through planets would be pretty frickin' stupid, so I can support you on that certainly.Rainforce said:it's a good thing, if you put it like that. but it's a bad thing if we chew through planet by planet because our own one get's too small. I have no problems with outposts for explorative reasons, etc.. just the second we degrade into something that primitive I'm kinda off the boat.orangeban said:Why can't we expand through space? We'll settle on some hunk of rock, devoid of life (the chances of us running into aliens is incredibly slim), and we use that useless boulder to improve all our lives. Surely that is something worth attempting?
You're right, Planet cracking might just make us find a device that turns people into necromorphs. Oh, wait, that's the plot for Dead Space.orangeban said:Yeah, chewing through planets would be pretty frickin' stupid, so I can support you on that certainly.Rainforce said:it's a good thing, if you put it like that. but it's a bad thing if we chew through planet by planet because our own one get's too small. I have no problems with outposts for explorative reasons, etc.. just the second we degrade into something that primitive I'm kinda off the boat.orangeban said:Why can't we expand through space? We'll settle on some hunk of rock, devoid of life (the chances of us running into aliens is incredibly slim), and we use that useless boulder to improve all our lives. Surely that is something worth attempting?
Colonising Mars would be a long-term thing. We should start as soon as we can, but we need something to work until then.TheIronRuler said:No, no, and again no.
As a secular Humanist, the notion of selective breeding in humans (for example, eugenics) is disgusting and the notion that some deserve to live more than others is plain wrong.
These days a man can live for two lives, two generations - literally, the average age in the western world is somewhere between 65 and 70, which means one could live through two lifetimes and accomplish twice more than his counterpart a century ago.
.
A solution?
Colonize Mars.
.
To tell you the truth, soon the price of food will rise, the availability of food will decrease... You will see bread riots in Seattle in a decade or two. That is how regimes are toppled and people die. A grim future indeed, but a future we cannot avoid.
a bit more modesty couldn't hurt...TheIronRuler said:.
Why not? Imperialism through the stars sounds fun, but it's a shame we won't be able to find a 'bread basket' world in our solar system.
It's not capitalism I'm talking about. Food really is growing scarcer. The climate is shifting. Just like how the poor in Egypt rose against their regime because they could hardly afford to eat (oversimplification, but go with it), so will others in their own countries. Bounty will always exist, but the number of people that will have such a thing will decrease in the future.
Yes going out back really is like playing Fallout 3, and Mad Max (Road Warrior) was filmed just using locals and a couple of small country rural communities as a back drop =OJack the Potato said:About a third of the world's population lives in Asia, mostly China and India. Overpopulation is an immediate problem for them, sure. But Europe, America, Australia and Africa have plenty of room to grow for now, though for the Aussies I guess it's a bit tougher to move out from the major cities because 99% of everything in Australia will eviscerate/poison/lay eggs in you if you so much as look at it.
Congo (Republic of) has one of the highest birth rates in the world... Damn.similar.squirrel said:The Stop Fucking Fucking Method.
Education is the key. Of course, the countries with overpopulation problems happen to be the ones who are not exactly fond of the notion of an educated populace. Didn't our last beloved Pope tell Kenyans to 'be fruitful and multiply', incidentally?
Not exactly..?TheIronRuler said:Congo (Republic of) has one of the highest birth rates in the world... Damn.similar.squirrel said:The Stop Fucking Fucking Method.
Education is the key. Of course, the countries with overpopulation problems happen to be the ones who are not exactly fond of the notion of an educated populace. Didn't our last beloved Pope tell Kenyans to 'be fruitful and multiply', incidentally?
On the other hand, it has one of the highest child mortality rate in the world.
Do you get it now?
Look at "Children of Men". It won't end very well.rob_simple said:Mass sterilisation.
No more babies, for anyone, we'll have a massive piss up and enjoy the last forty or fifty years of human existence and then draw a line under it.
It's not only education that is lacking. I won't describe everything here becuase I couldn't be arsed to do it properly, so I'll just put it in points.similar.squirrel said:Not exactly..?TheIronRuler said:Congo (Republic of) has one of the highest birth rates in the world... Damn.similar.squirrel said:The Stop Fucking Fucking Method.
Education is the key. Of course, the countries with overpopulation problems happen to be the ones who are not exactly fond of the notion of an educated populace. Didn't our last beloved Pope tell Kenyans to 'be fruitful and multiply', incidentally?
On the other hand, it has one of the highest child mortality rate in the world.
Do you get it now?