We are now at the book burning stage...

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https://fredericksburg.com/news/local/education/spotsylvania-school-board-orders-libraries-to-remove-sexually-explicit-books/article_6c54507a-6383-534d-89b9-c2deb1f6ba17.htm

The Spotsylvania County School Board has directed staff to begin removing books that contain “sexually explicit” material from library shelves and report on the number of books that have been removed at a special called meeting next week.

The directive came after a parent raised concerns at the School Board’s meeting Monday about books available through the Riverbend High School’s digital library app.

The board also requested a report next week on the process by which books are selected for inclusion in digital and hard copy library collections at the different school levels and indicated that it will consider a division-wide library audit.

The criteria for pulling books from circulation this week is “sexually explicit,” but the board plans to refine how material is determined to be “objectionable” for a further review of library holdings.

The board voted 6–0 to order the removal. Berkeley District representative Erin Grampp was not in attendance for the vote on that issue.

Two board members, Courtland representative Rabih Abuismail and Livingston representative Kirk Twigg, said they would like to see the removed books burned.

“I think we should throw those books in a fire,” Abuismail said, and Twigg said he wants to “see the books before we burn them so we can identify within our community that we are eradicating this bad stuff.”

Monday evening’s discussion was spurred by parents of a Riverbend student, who brought their concerns to the meeting.

The mother said during public comments that she was initially alarmed by “LGBTQIA” fiction that she said was immediately made available upon accessing the library app. After doing more research, she discovered a book in the collection that she found more upsetting.

The book, “33 Snowfish” by Adam Rapp, concerns three homeless teenagers attempting to escape from pasts that include sexual abuse, prostitution and drug addiction.

Publisher’s Weekly described “33 Snowfish,” which the American Library Association named a Best Book for Young Adults in 2004, as a “dark tale about three runaways who understand hatred and violence better than love” and noted “readers may have trouble stomaching the language” and the subject matter.

The review recommends the book for ages 15 and up.

Darnela Sims, director of teaching and learning for the school division, said Riverbend High School Principal Troy Wright and school librarians have been looking into the parents’ concerns since they were raised with the school last week.

She asked the board for time for staff to review existing processes for vetting library books.

“It is incumbent on us to make sure that whatever the policy says we need to do, we’re doing, and if something needs to be strengthened, it’s on us to do it,” Sims said.

But Abuismail said that whatever processes are in place “haven’t worked” and demanded an immediate audit of all school division library holdings.

He said he doesn’t like the idea of Rapp’s book being on school division library shelves for one more night and that the fact that it is in a school library means public schools “would rather have our kids reading gay pornography than about Christ.”

Abuismail accused division Superintendent Scott Baker of not being proactive by looking into school library holdings before parents raised concerns.

“Dr. Baker, you saw this coming from Northern Virginia—did it not occur to you to check what is on our libraries?” he asked.

Baker said he will take responsibility for any failure of the process for selecting library books.

“I would not have thought to do an audit because I have great faith and trust in our librarians,” he said. “If we find something being missed in a process, then we do refine the process. There was no ill intent here. We don’t have all the information.”

Battlefield representative Baron Braswell noted that what one person finds offensive, another person might not, and he also asked for time for division staff to examine its internal processes.

“We have to be clear on what is offensive and should not be in our schools and what should be,” he said. “You can’t do an audit of books without developing screening criteria and you have to have facts in order to do that.”

Braswell proposed in a motion that the board receive a report from the superintendent about the circumstances surrounding the inclusion of “33 Snowfish” in the Riverbend library next week and at that time, consider the criteria that would be involved in conducting an audit of our books.

In the end, the board only voted on a substitute to Braswell’s motion, put forward by Lee Hill representative Lisa Phelps, to begin the removal of “sexually explicit” books this week and receive a report next week on how many have been removed.

Twigg said he would like to broaden the criteria for identifying objectionable books.

“There are some bad, evil-related material that we have to be careful of and look at,” he said, without elaborating.
Every conservative accusation is a confession and this is the real cancel culture. Conservative parents unable to handle the idea that their kids might be ready for heavy subject matter have succeeded in getting a school district to remove that which offends them. Which as it turns out, is anything related to sex, sexuality and queer people. Right now, they're only going after material that uptight prudes deem sexually explicit and thus no one should ever be allowed to read it because squares. But in the article, two of the school board members talk about wanting to burn the books to make a statement and one has explicitly said he wants to expand the criteria for "offensive" so he can ban (and one assumes burn) more books. This is what happens to nations in decline.
 
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I disagree with the no-burning book thing. The Koran, the bible, and Mein Kampf deserve to be burned.
 

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I'm all for supporting sexually explicit material. Now let us hold consistent on this principle, even when it applies to comic book character designs, girls in videogames, anime content treatment on streaming platforms and so on.
I'm for parents wanting to limit sexually explicit stuff for kids like the movie rating system. Where it more the parent you gets to decide based on 'clearly defined' lines of what appropriate for a 5 or 10 year old.

Yes, those quotation marks are there for a reason. Because, like most of this stuff, some hack talking head made up some nonsense about something being sexually explicit when it never really was. Mass Effect, for example, was called 'porn.' Which it clearly wasnt. But I don't think I would show it to my 5 year old but a teenager would be fine.
 
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I'm all for supporting sexually explicit material. Now let us hold consistent on this principle, even when it applies to comic book character designs, girls in videogames, anime content treatment on streaming platforms and so on.
And non-heterosexual romance/sex options in games? Nobody gets to whine about "forcing that in our faces"?
 

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And non-heterosexual romance/sex options in games? Nobody gets to whine about "forcing that in our faces"?
Sure if they fit in why not. You don't have to play a game if you don't like that it has an option like that so nobody's being forced. Personally I never could understand not playing a game you'd otherwise love because of such a reason. Even if it's like a very self-inserty rpg focusing on the story, if you liked it up to that point you should be able to look past something that's not your cup of tea. In games you're supposed to be something entirely different from yourself so when you're used to playing as all these crazy weird things it's really not much of a departure to play as a lesbian or something lol.


Usually the whole "forcing it in our faces" is like when games explicitly deem that such content doesn't fit in, but people try to force it to be there despite that. Like for example in the latest rune factory the original version didn't have gay marriage (it's a farming sim fantasy game about building a town) but in the american localization they decided to change it and patch that in, which forces it to have something it wasn't supposed to, but if it had always had it then it'd have been fine.



I'm for parents wanting to limit sexually explicit stuff for kids like the movie rating system. Where it more the parent you gets to decide based on 'clearly defined' lines of what appropriate for a 5 or 10 year old.

Yes, those quotation marks are there for a reason. Because, like most of this stuff, some hack talking head made up some nonsense about something being sexually explicit when it never really was. Mass Effect, for example, was called 'porn.' Which it clearly wasnt. But I don't think I would show it to my 5 year old but a teenager would be fine.

I just think explaining this stuff and contextualizing it does way more good than making it as this hidden taboo thing. Now a 5 year old is prolly too young to care about a movie which would have such content in it anyways I would imagine so I don't think that's much of a risk but if they're like 10-15 or so I think it's totally fine.
 

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I absolutely do not agree with these being "exceptions". Yes, even "Mein Kampf". Shit should be preserved as evidence, just like we didn't demolish Auschwitz-Birkenau.
We should have to make an example of them.
 

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We should've made an example of Nazis fleeing and hiding right after the WWII, but that ship has sailed.
It is just that people complain about socialists, and communists being endemic to violence in their political organization, but no one cares about Islam, and Christianity having a high death toll and being very violent as well. I would argue that if you can, you should burn the koran, the bible, or a book by racial supremacist.
 

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Oh now we're at book burning.

So was the cleansing ceremony for the insensitive books just the pre-game?
Or was that the Harry Potter Book burning the other year?
Or the Christina Hoff Sommers book burning about 5 years ago?
 
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And non-heterosexual romance/sex options in games? Nobody gets to whine about "forcing that in our faces"?
*Points to the amount of gay furry games on Steam*
Go nuts friend.
Hell I'll happily defend Robert Yang's entire development portfolio, I'm just no personally going to play them because that's not what I'm into lol.
I think that's where the issue comes in though isn't it because big AAA games kinda need sales to survive and well lets just say it's probably cheaper to just put the flirt option up all the time rather than actually set up something so you establish your character fully like I dunno being able to define if you're straight, bi, or gay when you create the character. But hey I'm sure no developers would be super lazy and have the LGBTQ romances seem tacked on and not really fully as fleshed out as the straight ones right *cough* Mass Effect Andromeda *cough*


To be clear on my position I'd rather see a range of products made more to cater to demographics and groups rather than this weird corporate mass appeal "Perfect Pasta Sauce" approach as I'm pretty sure people who specifically go to a game for Non-hetero romance options would prefer a video game equivalent of Queer as Folk that fully caters to that rather than tacked on inclusion or worse the inclusion being highlighted specifically to make them stand out like I dunno as a fictional example specifically only ever mentioning the orientation of Rainbox Six operators who are LGBTQ but never mentioning the relationships or anything else about the operators who aren't. Also can we stop with the whole "Look at this new gay character in [insert video game] by the way did you know they're gay" I know I'm a straight dude so my thoughts don't count for much here but I dunno I think it it were flipped and every new character for a game was revealed as "Look at this new straight character" I'd find it a little weird that said thing was being presented as the core aspect of their character in the eyes of journalists etc.

We should've made an example of Nazis fleeing and hiding right after the WWII, but that ship has sailed.
Nah that's how we got World War II in the first place, aggressively punishing groups and people because "They're the enemy". The point of trying people and punishing them was to find the main ones responsible and who was a true believer vs who was doing their job because they were too scared not to or didn't have any other options realistically.
 

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Sure if they fit in why not. You don't have to play a game if you don't like that it has an option like that so nobody's being forced. Personally I never could understand not playing a game you'd otherwise love because of such a reason. Even if it's like a very self-inserty rpg focusing on the story, if you liked it up to that point you should be able to look past something that's not your cup of tea. In games you're supposed to be something entirely different from yourself so when you're used to playing as all these crazy weird things it's really not much of a departure to play as a lesbian or something lol.


Usually the whole "forcing it in our faces" is like when games explicitly deem that such content doesn't fit in, but people try to force it to be there despite that. Like for example in the latest rune factory the original version didn't have gay marriage (it's a farming sim fantasy game about building a town) but in the american localization they decided to change it and patch that in, which forces it to have something it wasn't supposed to, but if it had always had it then it'd have been fine.
Love how you immediately add conditions to your support.

Don't worry, they're gonna patch it in to the Japanese version for official support. Was probably just down to gay marriage not being legal in Japan. Like the US, they have their own moral busybodies and ratings systems to appease. According to Xseed, the Devs at Hakama wanted the feature to be included in the first place
 
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On the one hand, I get the need for, maybe, kids not being exposed to extremely explicit or disturbing materials before they can handle it, on the other hand, some scars add character and a sex scene here or there has nothing on the trauma that Animorphs can inflict on a 10 year old. And, I mean, if we're talking about high school libraries, I got to read a fascinating account about how the nukes would instantly vaporize me, everybody I knew or cared about, and damn near everybody on the planet in exhaustive detail written by a think tank envisioning the results of a nuclear war

Might not seem like a big deal now, but I was old enough to run nuke drills, so...


On the third had, "sexually explicit" can just mean "doesn't hate gay people" to these weirdos, so...

Like, seriously:
He said he doesn’t like the idea of Rapp’s book being on school division library shelves for one more night and that the fact that it is in a school library means public schools “would rather have our kids reading gay pornography than about Christ.”
...about a book involving three gay kids trying to overcome terrible shit happening to them. It's not exactly Emergence/Metamorphosis is what I'm saying
 
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