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VTSK

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I don't really know why but recently I've been thinking a lot about living conditions all over the world. I know a lot of people think third world countries should have their living standards raised to those of say, Canada or the United States, but the problem with that is that the Earth just can't handle it. I also feel that we in Canada and the U.S. have it way too easy, and it makes me feel like a spoiled jerk. Another thing is that part of the reason places like Mexico and Africa are so poor is that we're so rich. So, before we go trying to raise other countries to our living standards, maybe we should lower our said standards a little.

I thought of all the things we could do without, or at least cut back on, so here are some of the big ones.

For starters, fast food restaurants. There's really no reason for us to have them. What are they good for, aside from making a few people rich and a lot of other people fat? Yes, they're convenient, but it's not really a convenience we need. There is also the fact that a lot of the food in poor countries is going towards our fast food addiction instead of to the people that actually need it, because their governments make more money that way. Environmental damage is also a problem, when fast food chains begin cutting down forests for farmland. I just see no good reason for them to exist.

We spend far too much money on the entertainment business as well, throwing billions of dollars away on movies that we forget within a couple of months. A movie budget should only go into the millions when it's absolutely required, and for Christ's sake, quit paying the actors such embarrassingly large sums of cash! The same goes for the games industry. I realize that people want to make games that look realistic and have amazing physics, but is it really necessary for us to be able to see every thread on a character's jacket?

Cars. I know we can't just walk every where, as I live in the second largest country in the world, but things like trains and buses exist for a reason. I'm not going to suggest that no one should drive, but rather that it should be done only when it's actually necessary. If you need some milk from the grocery store that's about a thirty minute walk away, walk there. If you need to buy a ton of groceries, then use the car.

So, anything thoughts on the situation?
 

Helmet

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Good in theory, but we've become so accustomed to our lives the way they are that we won't change. Especially if it means we have to - God forbid- spend time and/or effort to do so.
 

Internet Kraken

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You can't just shut down fast food. It's a huge business. One that's spread around the entire globe.

The amount of money spent on the movie belongs to the producers. They can spend as much money on their movies as they want. You don't have the right to force them to uyse their money for something else.

This one I agree with. I do wish people would drive less often. People also need to start driving in cars with reasonable gas consumption. You should only have large car if you have a big family.

But I would never carry a gallon of milk home on foot, even if it was for only 30 minutes. But I buy all my groceries at once anyways.
 

crimson5pheonix

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1st: yes. I don't even like fast food.

2nd: FOR THE LOVE OF GOD, YES! Especially pro sports in my opinion.

3rd: sorry, no. I like my Civic too much.
 

Mookie_Magnus

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What you described in the first part of your post bears a striking resemblance to Socialism. I don't really like that very much.

The thing about people is that we wouldn't willingly give up what we have just so people we don't know can live a little better. It is human nature to compete for a better life and lifestyle, and that's exactly what we've done.

Also, getting rid of things like the entertainment industry and the fast-food industry would DESTROY our economies. Because when you shut down one business, you don't just harm that one business. That business bought products from somewhere, and without that customer, that business loses money.

The reason countries like England, America, Australia, etc. are doing so well, is the fact that their people worked for their own selfish gain, resulting in the plethora of products that we take for granted, giving us our lifestyle.

Your argument is well-spoken, just mis-informed. Take an economics class and then get back to me on this.
 

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VTSK said:
I don't really know why but recently I've been thinking a lot about living conditions all over the world. I know a lot of people think third world countries should have their living standards raised to those of say, Canada or the United States, but the problem with that is that the Earth just can't handle it.
Surprisingly, this is untrue! I don't have the specific citations available right now (the collections are at my parents' house), but if we calculate it out, the Earth is actually capable of sustaining a human population slightly larger than that which currently exists at a level of prosperity and comfort roughly equal to that of the central American middle class.
 

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Mookie_Magnus said:
What you described in the first part of your post bears a striking resemblance to Socialism. I don't really like that very much.
Oh this'll be good. Why exactly don't you like Socialism?
 

Terramax

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VTSK I fully agree with you and have been feeling this for the past 2 or so years.

Because of my easy life, I've not learnt a number of the simplest tasks in life which I'm starting to pay for now. For instance, I'm having to learn a lot about cooking properly before I start camping abroad on my DRZ400 but even the simplest dishes are a chore for me because I've relied on ready-meals for so long.

I think we're too reliant on technology nowadays here in the UK. Dishwashers because we can't be bothered to rub plates to clothes for a few seconds each. Wasting our time and money on a new mobile phone or iPod every year because we HAVE to have that one with double the gigabites or whatever nonsenese or else we'll... die or something.

Even with videogames, I started cutting down on the number I bought before the recession because I was feeling guilty on the stupid amounts I was spending on them. The only game I've bought in the last month is Far Cry 2 which I've been blitzing non-stop, and I only paid £10 for it.

Fully agreed with your rant on films also. I think actors are paid obscene amounts of money which is why films are costing so much, and why Hollywood isn't making as much money as they hope to be. Actors like Bruce Willis or Will Smith demand up to $25 mil a movie. So if the film is at a budget of $60 mill (which I think is supposed to be an average for a Hollywood film), almost half of that can be paid to just the star alone. Ridiculous!

As mentioned by others, sports is another problem. Too many in England spend so much money on buying clothes for their favourite football team (something like £60!), then there's cups, DVDs that they never watch, posters, books and other trinkets. Then spending endless amounts on alcohol whilst watching the sport at a pub. Morons the lot of them!

But the only thing you can really do is, like me, try not to take things for granted and try to teach the lesson to those around you.

I'm going to travel around on my bike and I'm intending on going to the poorer parts of the world so I can fully grasp how lucky I am to have been born in a more wealthy country.

Also, getting rid of things like the entertainment industry and the fast-food industry would DESTROY our economies. Because when you shut down one business, you don't just harm that one business. That business bought products from somewhere, and without that customer, that business loses money.
The problem is that most of the money only go to a VERY select few. Like my rant about films above, all those working the other lesser jobs on a film production i.e. behind the camera, get paid next to nothing in comparison to the actors who's jobs probably aren't any harder.

The reason countries like England, America, Australia, etc. are doing so well, is the fact that their people worked for their own selfish gain, resulting in the plethora of products that we take for granted, giving us our lifestyle.
Yes, but as they say, something has gotta give. It's these countries that have been harder hit by the recession than most other countries (not Australia though, as I understand, possibly due to their awesomeness). Because our living expenses are so high that we fall further victim when money isn't available to keep our expensive livelyhood going.

The point of the original post is it's not a case of 'better' living, just 'lazy living'. Fast foods aren't making our lives better, and probably not richer. They're sold as having doing so, but they aren't, they're creating more problems. Creating a generation of fat people who, like me, aren't educated enough into cooking our own cheaper, healthier, better tasting home food. Fast Food joints aren't better living and they're not progress.
 

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I agree. Fast food is disgusting, and only eaten in vast quantities because it is cheap as dirt (quite possibly one of the main ingredients of fast food burgers as well). I also think that pro sports players should be payed a miniscule fraction of what we currently pay them. Someone who chases after a little leather ball for the entertainment of uneducated masses does not deserve to be paid almost ten times more than doctors or firefighters, whose jobs are immensely more important.
 

Overlord Moo

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Regarding the movie point...Dark Knight! You got Owned!

But seriously, alot of movies you don't remember after about 2-3 months...exccept for the occational movie and every thing made by Pixar.
 

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To the OP: Don't let yourself feel bad because of the lifestyle you were born into. Help those less fortunate, of course, but never beat yourself up for it.

And if you're into that sort of utopian world, given that we have enough to feed and house everyone, look up the Venus Project. Its pretty cool
 

Terramax

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Overlord Moo said:
Regarding the movie point...Dark Knight! You got Owned!
But that film sucks more balls than a pinball machine! So many plot holes. One of the worst films I saw of that year (only Max Payne was worse).
 

Overlord Moo

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Terramax said:
Overlord Moo said:
Regarding the movie point...Dark Knight! You got Owned!
But that film sucks more balls than a pinball machine! So many plot holes. One of the worst films I saw of that year (only Max Payne was worse).
(Hits you in the head with a cross) DEMONS BEGONE!