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erttheking said:
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That and the recent DS fans coming out of the woodwork to bash those that want to have an easy mode and also claiming it's the true holy grail of all games making everything else look like supposed utter shit and that it's truly "one of a kind".
Call me crazy, but I think you're exaggerating things, in addition to saying things that aren't true. Who has said that Dark Souls is the holy grail of all games?
I don't like to think I am since I've been seeing it all around the internet and the sheer desire to mock others who want an easy mode makes me just outright hate the fanbase all together like many of my friends have come to learn and while I don't mind Epicnamebro because he's quite calm on the situation but at the same time I dislike a lot of the community that voices against an easy mode.

But then again someone claimed TF fall of Cybetertron as their worst game of 2012 a game I love (basing this last piece from your avatar of course) but I don't feel I need to step up and call exaggeration simply because they said the game was shit for them.

I'm totally not up for a future debate of this sort because from the moment I got this quote I could tell it's a personal one at that and I know what the community can be like here and it's just not pretty so let's not bring the cards.
 

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You're not a part of the gaming community, as there is no such thing.
I'll politely disagree there, and leave it at that.

There are gaming communities, but just because you are a gamer doesn't mean that you are a member of anything in particular. What another person does is completely irrelevant to how you should view yourself.
I *shouldn't* have to and I generally try not to, but I've grown up in a society that constantly decides to shoulder me with stupid misconceptions, stereotypes, and real consequences for those misconceptions and stereotypes.

Here I am years later, watching some of those very same misconceptions become reality.

So pardon me for finding the word "should" somewhat funny here.

Vault101 said:
as somone above said...as annoying as it is voicing anger is a good thing...somtimes
Well, it didn't do shit for me, except make me an even more cynical person.

I am curious; what did you get out of it?
 

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DustyDrB said:
Whoa, an Escapist forum post [http://www.escapistmagazine.com/forums/read/7.393997-Arrested-ArmA-3-Devs-Denied-Appeal-for-Espionage-Charges?page=2#15946762] was used in that Angry Joe video. Cool.
I know, right? Glad to see that I'm not the only one who thought that when they heard it. I bet he's feeling fantastic about that. Yay! We're becoming more and more notable! :D

Anyway, yeah I agree with DustyDrB here for all of his points made. With an ever so slight exception to this one...
2. Mass Effect 3's ending: Unjustified. OK, it was a crappy ending and was going to be discussed. And it was going to be discussed vehemently. That was inevitable, and I'm actually with you on that. But the Better Business Bureau filing, the cupcakes, the threats, and all that other shit? Unjustified. There were other things about Mass Effect 3 to be more angry about (on-disc DLC, offline play restrictions). We hardly hear people talk about those.
I will agree with you on this that most fan outcries were horribly unjustified and absolutely crazy. But so was the gaming media's response to those outcries. Many journalists from sites like IGN and Kotaku called fans "whiny" and "entitled," pretty much treating them like children. I don't care how much you disagree with your fans, you just cannot insult your readership like that! I think what more or less what happened was that since fans couldn't rely on the gaming media to voice their displeasure, they had to do it themselves. And they most certainly did not do a good job, considering how they were used to having someone do a better job for them. Specifically, the goddamn gaming media!

I agree that things like complaining to the Federal Trade Commission was way out of line [small](but you gotta admit were pretty goddamn funny in hindsight)[/small], lobbing a whole group of people, some of whom were completely civil about it, and pretty much mocking all of them is most certainly not justified!

Here. This thread, that I so conveniently saved for such an occasion like this, pretty much voices my feelings perfectly:
http://www.escapistmagazine.com/forums/read/9.358206-Why-I-think-the-ME3-fans-are-actually-mad?

So yeah. I consider that outcry, while out of line in more ways than it was should have been, justified. Stupid reactions from so many fans, but the other side really should have played nice too.
 

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Atmos Duality said:
Well, it didn't do shit for me, except make me an even more cynical person.

I am curious; what did you get out of it?
if we remained silents all the time there would be no discussion, our voices would not be heard...why the hell do game forums and games sites even exist otherwise?
 

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I've been saying this since March.
I'm ashamed to be part of the gaming community this year. (and yes, I include myself in that shame, thanks for asking)

Mere recreation turned into a boiling pot of seething stupidity.
We're damn near as bad as sports fans.
I agree with this but I do have this to say: At least we don't riot in the streets.

In terms of controversies, I thought the ME3 ending thing just got way, WAY out of hand for something relatively trivial. I'm not saying Bob was right but come on people: there were far worse endings in far worse games. The Tomb Raider and Hitman trailer controversies also seemed pointless to me since it was just pre-rendered footage that got people so angry. As for Disc Locked Content and, Capcom...fuck Capcom in 2012, just fuck Capcom in 2012...Not a Capcom fan boy but I still feel really stung by Capcom.
 

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Shadow-Phoenix said:
erttheking said:
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That and the recent DS fans coming out of the woodwork to bash those that want to have an easy mode and also claiming it's the true holy grail of all games making everything else look like supposed utter shit and that it's truly "one of a kind".
Call me crazy, but I think you're exaggerating things, in addition to saying things that aren't true. Who has said that Dark Souls is the holy grail of all games?
I don't like to think I am since I've been seeing it all around the internet and the sheer desire to mock others who want an easy mode makes me just outright hate the fanbase all together like many of my friends have come to learn and while I don't mind Epicnamebro because he's quite calm on the situation but at the same time I dislike a lot of the community that voices against an easy mode.

But then again someone claimed TF fall of Cybetertron as their worst game of 2012 a game I love (basing this last piece from your avatar of course) but I don't feel I need to step up and call exaggeration simply because they said the game was shit for them.

I'm totally not up for a future debate of this sort because from the moment I got this quote I could tell it's a personal one at that and I know what the community can be like here and it's just not pretty so let's not bring the cards.
Ok fair enough, after a FUCKING AWFUL experience on the Bungie.net forums, I tend to stick to the Escapist only. I just haven't seen it on this website...and even that illusion was shattered when I had the "pleasant" experience of meeting a person who tried to argue that serious gamers had above average intelligence. So I probably don't know what it's like elsewhere. I'm just saying that generalizing all of the fans of a fanbase is kind of unfair.

It's kinda different, that person was talking about the game, you're talking about the people who like the game, which is kinda different.

I'm not trying to start an argument here, I'm just saying you shouldn't let your viewpoint be dominated by sterotypes and the vocal minority.
 

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Atmos Duality said:
I've been saying this since March.
I'm ashamed to be part of the gaming community this year. (and yes, I include myself in that shame, thanks for asking)

Mere recreation turned into a boiling pot of seething stupidity.
We're damn near as bad as sports fans.
Have you seen football hooligans?

We were pretty bad during March not without some justification (DLC oversaturation + no A,B,C, ending) but it was overkill on that issue. Still we weren't that bad by a long shot.

Captcha: fire + brim stone (haha Captcha)
 

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It's partially because of these issues that I've given very serious thought to giving up gaming entirely. I can't stand the practices of the companies that publish/develop the games and I can't stand the behavior of the gaming community.
 

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Anyone remember the sheer number of threads and the media outcry about about girls/women in gaming, sexism in gaming, sexual objectification in gaming, etc etc? So troublesome!

Since it was a gender-related controversy, each and every one of those discussions never got anywhere because people kept having to tip-toe the unspoken boundaries...which unfortunately didn't do anything to stop the countless "omg misogynist! hit the misogyny alarm!!" cries and bans/infractions being dished out like party balloons.

Just to prove how insignificant that whole thing was, in the past few months there have been jack-all threads about the issue, the media has latched onto other shit, basically the controversy has completely blown over. Anita Sarkeesian and similar loonies have gone back into their shady corners of the internet...no-thanks to the trolls who brought her under the spotlight in the first place, let the internet never repeat that mistake again!
The people endlessly gushing about the topic have put down their megaphones and settled down into their usual routines. The final result of all this? Nothing, LOL.

Most developers either threw out a quick apology to make people shut up (IO Interactive), raised the middle finger and laughed it off (Team Ninja) or went completely unaffected. To quote a wise man, "...and not a single fuck was given."

I'm down with controversies and bringing out the megaphones over every little issue, it brightens up my day with jolly laughs. But not when they drag on for that long, it just gets tiresome >_<

Probably the biggest and most decomposed dead horse still in the room is the whole "video games cause violent crime" controversy...but that should blow over soon as well.
 

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There were many controversies that were very much worthy of discussion and anger, but there were many that where not. I think they were about equal in number (hell, I could even say that the worthy controversies narrowly outnumbered the inane ones and still feel confident in my answer), and that gives me hope that the gaming community can mature.

As for the ones listed in the video? I think all except the ME3 ending and the Bayonetta 2 WiiU exclusivity thing where justified.
 

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I dont really like angryjoe, hes a poor reviewer at best and his personality grates on me a bit (though thats not really something Ill mark him down for everyone should be themselves even if they annoy me I just wont watch them). The biggest problem in those was of course the ARMA3 devs being arrested for espionage. That really does need more publicity as Greece has just used it to try and distract their citizens from very real problems in their country

The other big one was the Mountain dew thing. Ive been saying for years that perks and endorsments make me extremely suspicious of games journalists and its come to a point where Im starting to feel like games Journalism should require an actual degree in journalism. At least that way we can start to get some standards and journalistic integrity out there
 

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Meh, there has been a lot of of anger and a lot of complaining over silly things this year. It's basically the same as 2011 and 2010. Gamers bitching is a given. We complain about anything.

Yes, there has been a lot of posts from people hating Mass Effect and misogynists on this site, but there's always been something.
 

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I feel partly responsible in that ive participated in alot of the debating. Partly proud If you look at some past threads i tend to be the last post. Like a debate ender.

And yeah I do think gamers took games and by extension themselves too damn serious for real.

I get it you want more females in games.Me too believe it or not. Making it out like gamers are a "misogynist horde" too fucking serious.

He said japanese games suck big deal. We had a japanese developer say the same you didnt get your panties in a twist then.lol

This year I think I just want to go back to being a gamer whilst everyone else tries to play out there civil activist fantasies out through the gaming medium.lol
 

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For those who don't want to watch the video (and whether I think the rage was justified or not):
wow, thanks for the cliffnotes on the video there. I was going to ask for them, but I was also going to watch it later so I didn't want to do it. I'll just comment on what you gave

10. Lara Croft and the whole "rape" thing. Justified, to a point. I mean you can get angry as he put it a bit...stupidly, so at least that's worth being angry about. Not to a shitstorm proportions, I don't think, though.

9 . Diablo 3's always-online and auction house: I'm saying this here - I didn't play Diablo 3, nor would I. It has nothing absolutely nothing to do with any of the controversy surrounding it - it's way less emotional, dramatic and interesting than what I've ever seen anybody express for that game. Also older - I had made my decision way before anybody stomped their foot and yelled "I won't play it!" And yet, the always online thing and the auction house disturbed me greatly when I learned of them. Greatly. Whatever rage Blizzard are getting...well, it is over the top, I can see that, but I don't think I can call it unjustified in some way.

8. The War Z: I haven't played it. I wouldn't have played it anyway. I haven't even played DayZ. I don't particularly care about zombie games. Heck, I barely struggle to keep up with shooters, even. But War Z...it infuriated me. It managed to be personally offensive to me when I wasn't even its target audience and under normal circumstances I wouldn't have even noticed it. That's how bad it was. That means that the rage is completely justified. I should say, that I don't have anything against the team that made it but what they did...they shouldn't have done.

7. Bayonetta 2, Wii U Exclusive: I dunno, feels...bad. Then again, I'm not a Bayonetta fan, but I can feel for them. People are within their rights to be angry here.

6. Capcom's persistent use of on-disc DLC. Normally, I'm not opposed to the idea of on-disc/day 1 DLC. I'm against misusing it, though. I don't know how Capcom handles it, so I don't know how justified people are about raging against it. I'd say there is at least some merit, as persistent use would imply something is wrong.

5. The 38 Studios fiasco. "I don't remember much rage from gamers, honestly." Neither did I, actually. I remember few people were sad because they actually liked KoA but that's it.

4. SEGA's censorship and legal action against Youtubers: "Justified. Taking down content for an old game and threatening people with legal action? It's almost cartoonishly villainesque." QFT, period.

3. Doritogate and the GMAs: Justified. But similar to SEGA above, it's a bit laughable, really. I can only picture Doritos/Mountain Dew bosses twirling their moustaches and watching through a screen "Yeees. Yeeeeeeesssss!" they would say "Soon, our plans will be complete!".

2. Mass Effect 3's ending: Personally, I wouldn't have reacted as strong as even the tamest of haters. But I do see where they are coming from - they did have way higher expectations than I ever did. Which were smashed to pieces while I would have been just somewhat disappointed. I'd say they are justified...I'm just a bit wary of the sheer number of people that had such high expectations to start off. I don't want to use the word with "rated" in it but it would fit here. BioWare somehow convinced many people to put way more faith in them than needed. Again, I don't want to come off wrong - I don't hate BioWare, I do think they are one of the better developers. But I thought that the "epic trilogy" that Mass Effect was flaunted as in the beginning was a bit beyond their reach. I mean, the only reason I took interest in the series was because it was going to be a trilogy and I wanted to see how BioWare would actually handle that - I had no high hopes or expectations, I even sort of expected to be pleasantly surprised

1. Bohemia Interactive Devs Imprisoned in Greece: I don't actually know. I never really looked into the whole issue, so I withhold any judgement on the matter.
 

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na sorry 2012 wasnt bitchier than 2011 or 2010 or 2009 now you just have a larger variety of sites like the escapist making sure that more people hear about other players/ peoples opinions about certain *hot* topics - and the internet being one big bridge with a few million trolls living underneath said bridge alomst everything gets considered a big controversy. Now that happened before as well but you actually had to make an effort and go to the handfull of sites and geeky forums that would touch these topics.
so id say if anything gaming/ games/ gamers have simply become more mainstream hence we get more attention, now if thats a good or a bad thing is a whole other discusssion
 

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Oh well...
I haven't been raging at almost anything (except those LoL retards :p) mainly since all I own is a Wii (Well now a WiiU and I've never even tried the first Bayonetta... is it any good?) so for me the year was pretty good actually, didn't play any of the overhyped controversial stuff (just like last year :p) and now I finally have a console that keeps up with PS3 and Xbox360 xD
So no, not a bithy year for me, just been reading on this site a little but since I know nothing of the games since I haven't played them I don't think I should join into those discussions, unless the topic is also simultaneously applied to normal life, then I might give a small input, otherwise I stay out. Like with the ME3 ending.
 

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DoPo said:
10. Lara Croft and the whole "rape" thing. Justified, to a point. I mean you can get angry as he put it a bit...stupidly, so at least that's worth being angry about. Not to a shitstorm proportions, I don't think, though.
To be honest, this is the one thing out of the list that I'm the least familiar with. I've never been into Tomb Raider games and didn't really follow the news on this as it happened because I was burnt out on gender discussions (if I remember correctly, this story came up at the tail end of the deluge of gender topics that peaked when people went crazy at Anita Sarkeesian. The guy's comments seem more derpy than offensive. I think people may have just been primed on the topic of sexism and looked too far into this one particular comment, but what do I know?

7. Bayonetta 2, Wii U Exclusive: I dunno, feels...bad. Then again, I'm not a Bayonetta fan, but I can feel for them. People are within their rights to be angry here.
Basically, I feel the line is simply like this: "Man, that sucks. I'm a Bayonetta fan but don't want a Wii U. Yadda yadda" is a fine comment. "Fuck you Nintendo/Platinum" is crazy pants. I get being annoyed, but being so contemptuous towards Nintendo and Platinum when it seems this is the only way the game would have been made is taking it a bit too far.

2. Mass Effect 3's ending: Personally, I wouldn't have reacted as strong as even the tamest of haters. But I do see where they are coming from - they did have way higher expectations than I ever did. Which were smashed to pieces while I would have been just somewhat disappointed. I'd say they are justified...I'm just a bit wary of the sheer number of people that had such high expectations to start off. I don't want to use the word with "rated" in it but it would fit here. BioWare somehow convinced many people to put way more faith in them than needed. Again, I don't want to come off wrong - I don't hate BioWare, I do think they are one of the better developers. But I thought that the "epic trilogy" that Mass Effect was flaunted as in the beginning was a bit beyond their reach. I mean, the only reason I took interest in the series was because it was going to be a trilogy and I wanted to see how BioWare would actually handle that - I had no high hopes or expectations, I even sort of expected to be pleasantly surprised
Like the Bayonetta 2 deal, it's just a case of going over the line. I'm really quite all right with even a lot of the most intense criticism towards the ending (it would be hard for me to not be all right with it, as I still participate in it from time to time). A lot of it was interesting, honestly. The Indoctrination Theory stuff seemed desperate, but I was also impressed with it at the same time. It's just the FTC, the threats, Retake Mass Effect's use of Child's Play as a PR stunt, and even the cupcake thing (harmless as it is, it just weirds me out). That represented a miniscule portion of dissatisfied Mass Effect fans. So really this was a "mostly justified, but definitely not for those people".

It was also very unprofessional for games journalists to call dissatisfied people "whiners". But most of the people who were doing such name-calling (such as Movie Bob) I don't really think ever had a pretense of being professional. Many of those people are pundits (and admit to being pundits), and it really shouldn't be shocking when they say such things. So eh...
 

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Tomb Raider/Hitman- Those two don't deserve to be put into the same category. Hitman trailers involving women dressed PURELY to be sexual being brutally beaten and killed is... pretty disturbing to me. The outcry was necessary, in my opinion.
However, the Tomb Raider thing? I'm actually on board with that. Sexual interaction IS used as a form of control and intimidation- that is a thing that happens, and not just to women. Mostly to women, but not solely. It makes the entire scene more gritty, more unpleasant, more nasty, and, yes- more real. It's NOT sexual, it's not titillating, it won't make you hot under the collar, because sexual violence is almost never about sex- it's about control, and (having experienced it first-hand) I thought that came across. It's a nasty insight into something which DOES happen, and I'm on board on shining a light on that and saying, "hey, look, it's a thing that happens." And, although obviously not under those circumstances, it happens a LOT- should we remove it because it's too "real"?

On the other hand, it's something that needs to be discussed. I wouldn't say it needs to be a "controversy" as such, but definitely a discussion. It's something that shouldn't be ignored, and shouldn't be blanked, and it shouldn't be treated as something that doesn't happen. But it does need to be done respectfully and correctly- and the only way that is going to happen is if it's TALKED ABOUT. It wasn't handled perfectly, but I've got respect for the fact that it was handled at all.

Diablo III- It was called, it was a mistake, and hopefully the outcry will help people learn and move forwards. Possibly not, but we can hope. I have no idea why Blizzard didn't see it coming, but there we are.

WarZ- I dunno why this isn't a legal issue. End of opinion.

Bayonetta 2- The fact that it wouldn't exist if Nintendo didn't want to make it for the WiiU is sort of... a thing that I can't not focus on. It does feel disrespectful to the people who liked the first game; but on the other hand, it's probably a tactic to try and drum up interest in the WiiU in the hope that people might actually buy it. I can understand the anger behind it, though.

On-disk DLC, well, that's a long on-going discussion, and it'll keep on going until it's resolved- which it may never be.

Copywrite issues- ...Why is this only coming up now? There's been a lot of copywrite stuff going on, much of which is illegal and/or problematic.
Also how are people still blind to the fact that sharing stuff online is a GOOD THING for businesses...?
I'm unsurprised at it, basically. I just hope something can change for the better, instead of for the worse.

Halo 4- Do I need to say anything...? (Other than that I'm damned glad I was never interested in the game.)

Mass Effect 3- I was surprised this wasn't number one- until I heard what number one was.
If they had put the DLC ending on the disk, I think the reaction would've been "eh, it's not a great ending, but it doesn't ruin my experience with the series." The more hardcore fans would probably still being "WHAAAAT THAT DOESN'T MAKE SENSE" but it sure wouldn't have had the massive back-lash it did.
The problem most people outside of the fan base don't seem to realise is that the ending was hated so much because it turned away from the most important aspects of the series. The writing, the way it sticks to the lore, the way it tries to have an explanation for all the science, for one major thing. For another is the focus on characters and character development.
People didn't hate the ending because it was sad, or even because it was bad- they hated it because it was so far from what made Mass Effect, Mass Effect. I felt like it was written by someone who didn't really know anything about the series, and didn't care; someone who went "okay, it's sci-fi, this works right, okay ending done let's do something more important." Even now I can't work out how the writers and quality control okay'd it.
So yeah, that was a very important controversy- and in the end, it led to an important discussion between the gamers, and the game companies. Discussion is important, and I think this one did a lot of good beyond just the ending of ONE game; it told the game companies that endings matter, that sticking to what makes a game or series unique and gives it character is important, and that if they want to listen to the fans and give them input (and they did, throughout the series, listen to the fans) then they need to KEEP doing that- and they need to understand what's important to those fans. I think that's important.

Dev imprisonment- HOW did I not hear about this?! It's... beyond bizarre and messed up. I need to do more research into that before I can wrap my head around it.


Discussion can be a very good thing; and controversies happen when people have something to say, and care about saying it loudly. That's not a bad thing- but how it's handled can be very, very bad. Still- we live, and with any luck, we learn. Sometimes.

Anyway, you asked for thoughts, there are mine.
 

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The Mass Effect 3 thing was way overblown, for every reason that people gave for complaining about it. It was certainly worthy of criticism, but not whatever the hell all that crap was that followed.

Tomb Raider controversy was completely undeserved, as was the Borderlands 2 "girlfriend mode" argument. The Hitman: Absolution one was on the money however, because it seemed clear with that trailer that they didn't really understand why Blood Money had hyper-sexualised characters.
 
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True, 2012 was unusually filled with rage, we are talking about the gaming community, we have a tendency get get angry at absolutely fucking everything. With multiple long running series getting and ending or reboot this year, it was predictable.