They actually are an organization, though. People claiming to be part of Anonymous can be shut down because they aren't Anonymous, they're just anonymous.Dastardly said:What's this, Anonymous? You're discovering you don't have control over who dons your mantle for whatever cause they see fit? Someone does something under the guise of Anonymous, and here's what happens--they suddenly act all "Wait, no we didn't."Tom Goldman said:Permalink
Yes, you did. Even if it's just a handful of Anon fans playing pretend, you did it. Even in the extremely unlikely event that WBC had the presence of mind to somehow stage this themselves, which I highly doubt judging by their history, you did it.
You created a mask that shields you from the accountability you try to enforce on others, and now some of those sort of people are adopting the mask and using it to dodge accountability in the same way. You use guerrilla tactics to "enforce" free speech, and yet you act surprised when people discover they can use those same tactics to enforce whatever limits they want to put on the speech of others.
You created the mask. You set the terms of engagement. You did this, and everything that comes after it. Welcome to the fundamental flaw of vigilantism.
That is what I am wondering. How does anyone know if Anonymous didn't send the letter? Does Anonymous always know what Anonymous is doing?9_6 said:So "anonymous" has a spokesperson now or what?
I don't think it's the actual hacking attempt he is talking about. If you make a mask of unaccountability. Everyone is invisible and can't be held to anything, no one knows what YOU'VE done or what other people are making up, it's hard to try and play "whodunnit?"Cpu46 said:Dastardly said:What's this, Anonymous? You're discovering you don't have control over who dons your mantle for whatever cause they see fit? Someone does something under the guise of Anonymous, and here's what happens--they suddenly act all "Wait, no we didn't."Tom Goldman said:Permalink
Yes, you did. Even if it's just a handful of Anon fans playing pretend, you did it. Even in the extremely unlikely event that WBC had the presence of mind to somehow stage this themselves, which I highly doubt judging by their history, you did it.
You created a mask that shields you from the accountability you try to enforce on others, and now some of those sort of people are adopting the mask and using it to dodge accountability in the same way. You use guerrilla tactics to "enforce" free speech, and yet you act surprised when people discover they can use those same tactics to enforce whatever limits they want to put on the speech of others.
You created the mask. You set the terms of engagement. You did this, and everything that comes after it. Welcome to the fundamental flaw of vigilantism.
The way the article makes it sound there was no hacking attempt or threat by anyone claiming to be anonymous. It all came from within the WBC itself to gain publicity.
I disapprove of what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it.Chezzz said:Tell me if i'm wrong but didn't Voltaire say that?Tom Goldman said:We count Beatrice Hall among our Anonymous forebears: 'I disapprove of what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it.'"
Actually it's not, just giving false testimony (as in court testimony) against your neighbor is. Common misunderstanding, but the 10 commandments aren't quite as clear as you might think.DTWolfwood said:hahaha XD
Don't these Christians know that Lying is a sin?
The Hive is in constant communication with itself. If any units splinter off and form a project group without communicating it to the collective, they effectively stand alone.squid5580 said:That is what I am wondering. How does anyone know if Anonymous didn't send the letter? Does Anonymous always know what Anonymous is doing?9_6 said:So "anonymous" has a spokesperson now or what?
Whether you consider lying a sin or not, it doesn't tend to make people happy. Ironically, if Westboro thinks of Superman as an idol, they probably consider lying a sin (which in and of itself isn't a radical belief). They should probably stop doing that, then.thethingthatlurks said:Actually it's not, just giving false testimony (as in court testimony) against your neighbor is. Common misunderstanding, but the 10 commandments aren't quite as clear as you might think.DTWolfwood said:hahaha XD
Don't these Christians know that Lying is a sin?
... you've never heard of WBC before? I congratulate you my friend, you've managed to skip over one of the most morally questionable groups of people in the history of attention seeking morons. I wish I didn't know about them.Thedarkness77 said:I have never heard of the WBC before but i hope get whats coming too them for this.
No no that isn't what I mean. What I mean is the article is implying it a prank or a hoax or a publicity stunt by the WBC. When it is just as likely that someone acted outside the Hive to push the agenda they thought would be Hive approved. You know because at first glance it doesn't sound outside of the realm of possibilities for Anonymous to do something like that.Grimrider6 said:The Hive is in constant communication with itself. If any units splinter off and form a project group without communicating it to the collective, they effectively stand alone.squid5580 said:That is what I am wondering. How does anyone know if Anonymous didn't send the letter? Does Anonymous always know what Anonymous is doing?9_6 said:So "anonymous" has a spokesperson now or what?
I assume a rough consensus was reached through mass discussion and this press release was issued spontaneously as a result of that. If you don't see another, contradictory press release then it means enough consensus was reached that nobody feels quite strongly enough to speak out.
Thing about Anon is, even though it lacks a formal leader or proper center of mass, it's frighteningly good at reaching consensus and coordinating itself.