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LetalisK

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KOMega said:
Oh come on, I thought we went through this already.

It's not even really riffing on anyone.
And if it were it's totally those people on insisting to use silly pronouns like "leaf/leafs/leafself".

Which I think we are smart enough to differentiate between those who are choosing between actual gender pronouns.

One is gender based and the other one is thinking you were Treebeard in a past life.

I will say one thing about Tumblr. I'm impressed that they were able to take the word "pronoun" and make it feel so controversial and more complex than it is.
It's because we aren't allowed to have any gray anymore. It's black or white. Everything is acceptable or nothing is acceptable. This is the exact same thing that happened in the white guy defense force comic. "Ermahgerd! He made fun of someone who's white? He must be making fun of everyone who is white and saying they're all like this!" Just change "someone who's white" to "someone who doesn't identify with traditional genders".
 

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Gentlemen, I can't keep clicking on the BumRush comic link every 30 minutes. Your text says "Bad Dad" Issue #2 is available. It is not. Please fix this. I enjoyed the shit out of Issue #1.
 

The Wooster

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Listen, guys, I'm sure it's all meant in good fun and you're mostly targeting the people who do ridiculous stuff, but you're lumping the assholes and lunatics in with actual transgender people. Even if you've decided to just assume that tumblr is full of nonsense, you should at least appreciate that you're punching down.
White knight much?

Maybe you should look up the meaning of satire. And I'm so very sick of these "alternative, gender sensitive pronouns" that LGBT's and lefttards use and expect other people to use at every occasion, I'd start kicking after punching down in a heartbeat.
While I appreciate you defending the comic, I'd rather you didn't.
 

Something Amyss

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DaViller said:
Well I actually don't care, if you wanna talk about yourself in third person or intruduce yourself as "big daddy" go for it. You can also walk around town wearin a clowns nose if you want, do whatever floats your boat. Just don't complain if people make fun of you for it, since frankly you look and sound kinda ridicoulus.
That actually sounds like the opposite of not caring.

Sir Thomas Sean Connery said:
So it doesn't really matter to me whether the sailing thing was real. There's plenty of real silly word usage to make up for it.
It should matter, if you're using it as your example.

VanQ said:
The feed itself is just someone taking ridiculous tumblr posts and collecting them in one place for people to gawk at. I remember quite a while ago finding the actual tumblr where the person who posted it was from and they were serious about it. This is just somewhere that it resurfaced recently.
Odd, since it didn't appear when I looked up their Tumblr before I made this post. However, I did find it elsewhere attributed to other people. So it really doesn't look legit at all.

DjinnFor said:
Because in the hypothetical under discussion, this individual is making demands of other people. So, as to "who really cares", I would imagine the answer is "everyone who ever talks to this person".
No more than any other person, it's just taken for granted in most cases.
 

Something Amyss

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Olas said:
If it makes you feel better maybe he was just referring to Erin as a ************ irrespective of her preferred pronoun.
You mean regardless of ************'s preferred pronoun.
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Let's be considerate of ************'s feelings.
 
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Zachary Amaranth said:
Sir Thomas Sean Connery said:
So it doesn't really matter to me whether the sailing thing was real. There's plenty of real silly word usage to make up for it.
It should matter, if you're using it as your example.
If it's real, then it's an example.

If it isn't real, then I'm not considering it an example. There are, however, plenty of other examples.

Hence, it doesn't particularly matter to me whether it's real or not.

This isn't complicated.
 

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Sir Thomas Sean Connery said:
If it's real, then it's an example.

If it isn't real, then I'm not considering it an example. There are, however, plenty of other examples.

Hence, it doesn't particularly matter to me whether it's real or not.

This isn't complicated.
You used it as an example. It sure sounds like you don't care if your examples are real.
 
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Zachary Amaranth said:
Sir Thomas Sean Connery said:
If it's real, then it's an example.

If it isn't real, then I'm not considering it an example. There are, however, plenty of other examples.

Hence, it doesn't particularly matter to me whether it's real or not.

This isn't complicated.
You used it as an example. It sure sounds like you don't care if your examples are real.
I don't care a great deal whether that individual example is real because it isn't the entire focus of my attention as a result of other examples existing.
 

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So you're saying transgender people deserve to be mocked, on the basis of them being transgender, then? Because its pretty obvious that this is the main target of the strip.
Nothing makes a mockery of the transgender acceptance movement more than the bullshit that's popped up on Tumblr over the last few years. The more common these "trans-ethnic", "trans-abled", "otherkin", and people using "personal pronouns" become, the more people will lump these fools in with those who have genuine gender dysphoria. This comic in no way implied that they are the same.
Don't forget "transnigger". Yes, that's actually a fucking thing.

http://24.media.tumblr.com/1ef8dd2b0e761a424ccc1512c0feccec/tumblr_mwtydoWb3O1sdc4cvo4_400.png
 

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People are 100% free to want to be called by non-standard pronouns. Just as I am free to keep using the same ones we have been using for about 500 years.
 

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Andy of Comix Inc said:
hello i am critical miss and today i am going to make fun of trans and intersex people
Can you point out the part where he makes fun of trans and intersex people for me? I seem to have missed it and I want to be offended. By God, I love to get offended.
 

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Eamar said:
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The Wooster said:
Actually, the target of the joke is the small, but quite dangerous, culture of tumblr users who romanticize and appropriate the trappings of mental illness, as is quite clearly demonstrated in panel two.
Who are these people?
Mostly teenagers who don't know what they're talking about, but not exclusively.

I've met plenty, and not just on the interwebs.

For a while, bipolar disorder became trendy for some reason. So many people would claim to have it, or openly wish they had it, or express envy at my diagnosis. As someone who actually is bipolar, I cannot tell you how angry that made me or how dangerous that behaviour is.

The romanticisation of mental illness is nothing new though - just look at the stereotype of the "tortured artist", who's either bipolar or clinically depressed. Look at how often suicide is portrayed as some beautifully tragic, "romantic" thing.
It happens here on the Escapist, too. Every time Asperger's syndrome gets namedropped on the Escapist it becomes Asperger's anonymous because it kinda justifies bad social skills and is in pop-culture somehow associated with genius.

Edit: Whoops... I quoted you, kept on reading the thread and it already happened... Though I chalk up the lack of a whole bunch of people with Asperger's posting to the circumstance that it only happened on page 4.
 

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Zachary Amaranth said:
The Wooster said:
Actually, the target of the joke is the small, but quite dangerous, culture of tumblr users who romanticize and appropriate the trappings of mental illness, as is quite clearly demonstrated in panel two.
Who are these people?
I hope you don't mind me quoting you from a two day old post, with a video that is far from eloquent. But I think it takes a good example of the kind of people that take serious medical and mental conditions and romanticize them or use them as simply a way to draw attention to themselves to really appreciate this strip. Internet Aristocrat, like I said, is far from eloquent in his delivery, but I think the video includes good examples of the kind of people this comic is targeting.


He has other videos in the "Tumblrism" series that he points out several other kinds of dangerous people that congregate on tumblr. Watch them to the detriment of your own sanity.
 

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VanQ said:
Andy of Comix Inc said:
hello i am critical miss and today i am going to make fun of trans and intersex people
Can you point out the part where he makes fun of trans and intersex people for me? I seem to have missed it and I want to be offended. By God, I love to get offended.
the whole thing is left kind of open to interpretation

but "made up pronouns" could mean anything from actual made-up pronouns to the ones they just don't understand and choose to believe are made-up like "they/them" as related to neutral gender identities

without that being defined we can assume the strip is targeted at everyone who identifies with different pronouns than the author
 

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MarsAtlas said:
Its that attacking people for certain reasons is the unacceptable behavior.

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So you're saying transgender people deserve to be mocked, on the basis of them being transgender, then? Because its pretty obvious that this is the main target of the strip.
I wonder if it is objectively an attack though. Would this not be more satire? Personally, I was completely unaware of any reference to any trend as to how a group of people wanted to refer to themselves (and I consider myself completely sympathetic with the promotion of equal treatment and dignity of all people). I took the strip completely at face value, figuring, hey someone on tumblr must have made a meme or something about grammar. Maybe my Tumblr exposure is more limited than that of other people. So to say it was obvious - I have to admit I was clueless of this aspect as I read the strip.

I hate that people who don't fall into conservative society's strict narrow boxes are mistreated and ridiculed. I dispise any form of dehumanisation or societal exclusion. So now I feel a little bad for laughing, dispite my naive (maybe even innocent) innitial reading. However, is it still a bona fide attack? The author of the strip didn't name any one particular goup anywhere in the strip. From the history of this series I haven't seen the author be directly hostile to the causes or concerns of the marginalized. I can't help but read it as satire. Is there a reason I shouldn't read it as such? Am I missing another reference that is especially hurtful? Communication requires only the transmission and reception of information. Context aids in interpretation. But Interpretation is subject to change depending on whom receives the communication - to a degree. And intent can be misconstrued or even lost all together. I'm not saying that language and communication are arbitrary, but there is variation. Have you ever given someone -- I don't know -- some kind advice, maybe on their outfit, intending to be helpful and yet hurting the other person's feelings despite your intent? Something as simple and innocuous as that can lead to someone getting hurt. Comedy is infinitely more complex a method of communication, so I can only imagine the varied ways to receive it. You and I certainly received the joke communicated in this strip in two immensely different ways; and I wouldn't be willing to say that either one of us (you or I) is wrong.

(Please understand any comment or inquiry I've made is in the spirit of being genuine; I'm not in any way attempting to be snarky or sarcastic).
 

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Andy of Comix Inc said:
VanQ said:
the whole thing is left kind of open to interpretation

but "made up pronouns" could mean anything from actual made-up pronouns to the ones they just don't understand and choose to believe are made-up like "they/them" as related to neutral gender identities

without that being defined we can assume the strip is targeted at everyone who identifies with different pronouns than the author
And that group is big and varied and growing as we speak. And considering the usual opinion of the comic makers, which should be quite easy to figure out, is very much liberal and pro-LGBT rights, how do you single out the transgender people as the intended targets here? I mean I can kind of see it if you want to think "************" as a sexual orientation, but considering the whole feel of the comic, that interpretation really has little ground to stand on. Hell, one could even reason that comics point is to make fun of people who are making up stuff to stroke their ego, at the expense of people who are doing it for legitimate causes.

If I were to say humans are dumb, does that mean I make fun of all the possible LGBT-people, and minorities with one sentence? Oh boy, I love efficient multitasking!
 

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Andy of Comix Inc said:
VanQ said:
Andy of Comix Inc said:
hello i am critical miss and today i am going to make fun of trans and intersex people
Can you point out the part where he makes fun of trans and intersex people for me? I seem to have missed it and I want to be offended. By God, I love to get offended.
the whole thing is left kind of open to interpretation
Yes, but could we just for ONCE not immedeately assume that the author is making fun of transgenders? Why is it that some people read this comic and instantly assume the author is sitting in a leather chair, with a fluffy cat going:

"Mwahahaha, another marvellous strike against the transgender community!"

Im sorry, but on the very first page we have someone that wants to be reffered to by "boat" pronouns.

FREAKING.

BOATS.

You can actually google this stuff and find people that go similiar roads of wanting to be called a variety of other silly things. How can you NOT make fun of sh*t like that? Can we just this one time assume this was just plain old comedy for the sake of a good laugh, instead of secret Anti-Transgender/homosexuality Propaganda?

This isnt meant as an insult towards you. But its getting tiresome how paranoid-ridden this whole stuff becomes.
 

Andy of Comix Inc

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ERaptor said:
This isnt meant as an insult towards you. But its getting tiresome how paranoid-ridden this whole stuff becomes.
When you live in towns like mine it just kind of becomes common parlance. I kind of assume the worst of people when they make even a tangentially gender-related joke. I apologize.

I do think the comic is far too open to interpretation, but I admit I jump the gun on this stuff all the time. I'd rather do that and be proved wrong than not and be proved right.
 

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Andy of Comix Inc said:
ERaptor said:
This isnt meant as an insult towards you. But its getting tiresome how paranoid-ridden this whole stuff becomes.
When you live in towns like mine it just kind of becomes common parlance. I kind of assume the worst of people when they make even a tangentially gender-related joke. I apologize.

I do think the comic is far too open to interpretation, but I admit I jump the gun on this stuff all the time. I'd rather do that and be proved wrong than not and be proved right.
That sounds a lot more reasonable. Its just that I think people assume the worst a bit too quickly. I mean, people = shit nonetheless. But its not quite as bad as some people make it out to be. And honestly, how would you tackle making the comic less open to interpretation? A bottom line saying "It's a joke!" or a specific sideline that this isnt aimed specifically at Group X? I think the Author made it pretty clear that it's aimed at the more...questionable Tumblr-people.
 

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ERaptor said:
And honestly, how would you tackle making the comic less open to interpretation? A bottom line saying "It's a joke!" or a specific sideline that this isnt aimed specifically at Group X? I think the Author made it pretty clear that it's aimed at the more...questionable Tumblr-people.
I'd look to Penny Arcade, who very much make their point exactly known and if it's in any way open they usually have attached a several paragraph-long blog post to sum up the thought process and circumstances under which the strip was created. I don't even like Penny Arcade, but I'm impressed by their brash, to-the-point demeanour. There is never any doubt as to what Penny Arcade is saying with their jokes.