Is back story likely to affect your choice at all? Just out of curiosity, seeing as I'm well versed in most Warhammer 40k lore
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Space Marines - Ideal for beginning players new to 40K tabletop. Jack of all trades, master of none, good toughness and close combat ability
Orks - Unstoppable in melee with a cheap cost, allowing them to be fielded in large numbers. Good close combatants, with comparatively poor ranged units.
Eldar - An army of fast, lightly armoured, highly specialized troops requiring skill to use. All vehicles are maneuverable skimmers. Many units possess fearsome psyker abilites. Low toughness.
Dark Eldar - See above
Imperial Guard - Large squads of weak, inexpensive troops effective when massing their firepower. Great leader units, wide array of vehicles, wargear, and assassins
Necrons - Mid-range shooting army of unparalleled toughness. Expensive, powerful units difficult to subdue and keep down. Features a leader unit with many unique and powerful abilities.
Tyranids - Numberless horde with powerful close combat potential and fearsome leader units. Use your weak, inexpensive troops as a living shield while you swamp the enemy with unstoppable melee units and infiltrators.
Tau - Exceptionally mobile, long-range shooting army. Expensive troops and maneuverable battlesuits with guns that can reach across the table. A well positioned Tau army is difficult, if not impossible, to outshoot. However, Tau suffer in close combat.
Orks - Unstoppable in melee with a cheap cost, allowing them to be fielded in large numbers. Good close combatants, with comparatively poor ranged units.
Eldar - An army of fast, lightly armoured, highly specialized troops requiring skill to use. All vehicles are maneuverable skimmers. Many units possess fearsome psyker abilites. Low toughness.
Dark Eldar - See above
Imperial Guard - Large squads of weak, inexpensive troops effective when massing their firepower. Great leader units, wide array of vehicles, wargear, and assassins
Necrons - Mid-range shooting army of unparalleled toughness. Expensive, powerful units difficult to subdue and keep down. Features a leader unit with many unique and powerful abilities.
Tyranids - Numberless horde with powerful close combat potential and fearsome leader units. Use your weak, inexpensive troops as a living shield while you swamp the enemy with unstoppable melee units and infiltrators.
Tau - Exceptionally mobile, long-range shooting army. Expensive troops and maneuverable battlesuits with guns that can reach across the table. A well positioned Tau army is difficult, if not impossible, to outshoot. However, Tau suffer in close combat.
Yeah, of the group of guys that I've been going with; One plays Chaos, Two play Orks, Three play Marines, One plays Necrons and Tau, and the other is Tyranids. I've also seen Daemon Hunters, The sisters, and a Dark Eldar force.Wolvaroo post=18.69106.650177 said:
That would be Chaos, my friend =). Khorne, to be exact. Chaos is almost always outnumbered, and with the Blood God, you have monstrously powerful melee units with high durability and fair mobility. They have access to all the heavy armour of the Space Marines, plus a Defiler (can act as long range bombardment or melee platform). They have an armoury almost capable of matching the 'nids for customization, and of course lots of potential for conversions.MightyMoose post=18.69106.650110 said:
I'd have to recommend necrons(kind of fit your stated preference, although they are hardly considered 'underrated') or Orks(Orks are just fun to paint and play!) to you. Mostly because I heavily dislike Space Marines(overused) and [Dark]Eldar(Basically just Space Elves... It's a Dwarven thing...)
Edit: Chaos too!
Edit: Chaos too!
My current standing of choices are ranked in this order;Plasmar post=18.69106.650188 said:
1. Eldar
2. Chaos
3. Imperial Guard
4. Tau
5. Dark Eldar
6. Tyranids
7. Space Marines
8. Orks
9. Necrons
From a purely painterly point of view, I say go for something like Chaos Space Marines, or just your plain old regular Space Marines. The models have loads of nifty little details and with Chaos you can really go crazy on color schemes. It's chaos, they're supposed to look a little insane. Besides, I've always had a bit of a soft spot for those wacky, fun-loving heretics they call Chaos Terminators.
Game-wise, I'm afraid I'm not of much use since I don't actually play the game.
Edit: Like one of the guys above me said, converting Chaos Marines is a blast. Tentacles and skulls go .. erm .. everywhere
Game-wise, I'm afraid I'm not of much use since I don't actually play the game.
Edit: Like one of the guys above me said, converting Chaos Marines is a blast. Tentacles and skulls go .. erm .. everywhere
tau have a 50/50 chance of hitting, yes they do have a good basic gun... but they suck at aiming
the crisis suits if build properly can be pretty wicked close combat units with Armor Saves of 3+ which in my opinion is great. get a shield generator and you get another +1 to your AS.
the hammerhead is definitely a nice tank, large blast radius, powerful explosions.
XV22 (i think its 22) Broadside is default equipped with a Railgun which uses a small blast template (perfects against nids) with a strength of 10. and when the target is with in range it can use its smart missle system which launches 4 rockets, each with a strength of 6 and small blast template
so if you want explosions, i suggest tau
tau can still be converted to melee, just make sure you use properly equipped crisis suits, and maybe Kroot for cannon fodder.
the crisis suits if build properly can be pretty wicked close combat units with Armor Saves of 3+ which in my opinion is great. get a shield generator and you get another +1 to your AS.
the hammerhead is definitely a nice tank, large blast radius, powerful explosions.
XV22 (i think its 22) Broadside is default equipped with a Railgun which uses a small blast template (perfects against nids) with a strength of 10. and when the target is with in range it can use its smart missle system which launches 4 rockets, each with a strength of 6 and small blast template
so if you want explosions, i suggest tau
tau can still be converted to melee, just make sure you use properly equipped crisis suits, and maybe Kroot for cannon fodder.
This describes the Necrons, I argue.MightyMoose post=18.69106.650162 said:
1) It's an immutable law that they're always outnumbered.
2) Comparatively low numbers, but high combat ability. Your average Necron does well in shooting and close combat. Necrons are also an excellent tank hunting army.
3) With their We'll Be Back rolls, not to mention the Lord's Resurrection Orb, this is the force the 'comeback' potential.
Sounds like you're looking for Chaos Marines, specifically, Khorne. Basically you've got the WH40k equivalent of viking hordes who charge into battle raping and pillaging. Since you'd be going as Marines, you'd be outnumbered, fielding a group of people whose primary method of attack is "whack you with an axe", the fact that they've got those coveted 3+ saves means you won't have to worry about losing everyone while moving towards the enemy, all the while enjoying the simple color-scheme of Red, Red, and more Red.MightyMoose post=18.69106.650110 said:
No matter which army you pick, I'd suggest grabbing your models of Ebay. You can save a fortune!
http://search.ebay.ca/_W0QQsassZdiscount_games_store
Is one of my favorite WH ebay stores. Little harder to nab superb deals as he's gotten quite popular it seems!
http://search.ebay.ca/_W0QQsassZdiscount_games_store
Is one of my favorite WH ebay stores. Little harder to nab superb deals as he's gotten quite popular it seems!
"Paint it red! It'll go faster" - 'Why?' - "Cos it's red!"John Galt post=18.69106.650229 said:
Sorry, that's what your last line made me think of.
Thanks for the link! That'll help a ton.Wolvaroo post=18.69106.650233 said:
My friends were thinking about selling our 3rd Edition D&D books (over 25 of them) to help fund our armies.
First time posting here, so I'll try and keep it simple.
If you're looking for an army with a lot of customizable options and interesting bits, but don't want to go with the Games Workshop Poster Child Army of Space Marines, god bless your soul,
then I'd suggest the new Imperial Guard.
Even though their main weapons do posh for damage, and they get torn apart by everything, you can feel secure in the fact that you'll outnumber your opponent at least 2:1
and on top of that, all the special rules for the customized armies, such as Drop Troops, Mechanized, Close Order Drill, and the like make it capable for you to make a completely unique and capable army.
Failing that, I'd suggest Orks, Chaos Space Marines, or Daemonhunters.
And yes, that was short.
If you're looking for an army with a lot of customizable options and interesting bits, but don't want to go with the Games Workshop Poster Child Army of Space Marines, god bless your soul,
then I'd suggest the new Imperial Guard.
Even though their main weapons do posh for damage, and they get torn apart by everything, you can feel secure in the fact that you'll outnumber your opponent at least 2:1
and on top of that, all the special rules for the customized armies, such as Drop Troops, Mechanized, Close Order Drill, and the like make it capable for you to make a completely unique and capable army.
Failing that, I'd suggest Orks, Chaos Space Marines, or Daemonhunters.
And yes, that was short.
Space marines are a good all-rounder race, as are Chaos. Imperial Guard are really for those with a tank/ artillery fetish, since you'll need a lot or armour to be effective against most races. Haven't played the other races (I started with SM when i was 13, moved on to Chaos, might start a new army soon, unsure what yet) but I have played against them.
Personally i found the Tau lend themselves to cheap tactics, or they did before the new rules at least(hoverships used to be nigh-on impossible to destroy before that. Devilfish are not meant to fly around the battlefield killing everything.)Crisis suits are still a pain if you've not fielded any artillery, as they tend to be jumped in, fire, jump back behind cover. If you've got an assault team armed with jet packs that can get close enough to jump on them without being shot to death it helps too. I strongly recommend getting some artillery though, as Tau Firewarriors have an annoyingly long range.
Necrons can be daunting to face if you don't know what you're doing- many players panic and try to take out the big bads first, like the monolith. The best way to beat them though, is to kill as many of their Necron warriors as possible- at 60% losses they automatically lose.
Orks tend to get written off by a lot of players as crap, but in the right hands they can be very effective, plus there's so many of them they can swarm an opposing army. Mostly theyre a lot of fun to play, with some hilarious abilities.
Personally i found the Tau lend themselves to cheap tactics, or they did before the new rules at least(hoverships used to be nigh-on impossible to destroy before that. Devilfish are not meant to fly around the battlefield killing everything.)Crisis suits are still a pain if you've not fielded any artillery, as they tend to be jumped in, fire, jump back behind cover. If you've got an assault team armed with jet packs that can get close enough to jump on them without being shot to death it helps too. I strongly recommend getting some artillery though, as Tau Firewarriors have an annoyingly long range.
Necrons can be daunting to face if you don't know what you're doing- many players panic and try to take out the big bads first, like the monolith. The best way to beat them though, is to kill as many of their Necron warriors as possible- at 60% losses they automatically lose.
Orks tend to get written off by a lot of players as crap, but in the right hands they can be very effective, plus there's so many of them they can swarm an opposing army. Mostly theyre a lot of fun to play, with some hilarious abilities.
