WH 40k Your best general build

[verdant monkai]

For my Dark Eldar it would be an Archon with (venom blade, ghost plate armour, shadow field and sometimes a blast pistol if it feels appropriate) Not bad for 105pts right?
5 (ws 7) attacks wounding on a 2+, turns the Archon into a killing machine. the shadow field with ghost plate armour, almost guarantees he will live long enough to kill something. If I am going up against terminators I just switch the venom blade for an agoniser (power weapon).
I have had this Archon kill Abaddon the Despoiler alone! and Daemon princes with help from incubi. Also if I add an Archon court unit, he becomes a force of nature.

I just started DE so I don't have a lot of models or games under my belt, but thus far I've greatly enjoyed taking an Archon with an Agoniser, Ghost Plate Armor, and Clone Field. Stick him in a unit of 9 bloodbrides with 3 shard nets and impalers and he's perfect for hunting independent characters and HQ's, or even monstrous creatures. They'll be hitting with 3 less attacks, the Archon can shrug off most, if not all, damage thanks to Clone Field, and he can chop away with a poisoned 4+ power weapon. Plus, he'll still be pretty darn effective at taking on units like Terminators, or other close combat units, especially with the Blood Brides backing him up. Toss them in a Raider if you want to get them in combat quickly.

When playing Tyranids, I quite like running a Hive Tyrant with wings, bonesword and lashwhip, and either scything talons or twin-linked deathspitters. Screen him with some Gargoyles and he can fly around dealing out some sweet death. Plus he has some decent psychic powers, and Hive Commander is absolutely required when running a reserve heavy list (such as a couple of spores with Devilgaunts waiting to rain down from the sky).

That is a mean unit but trust me when I say its a court full of ur ghuls you want. They dont take up a force organisation slot, 1 more attack and 1 more strength.
They are stupidly priced about £10 each so just convert some grave ghouls or bloodletters. The sheer amount of attacks will cut through pretty much anyone.

 

[MartianWarMachine]

Well, if the fluff is anything to go by, that doesn't really make a difference. The Dread would just find the nearest thing to bash in, so every sane (... sane, he says!) survivor quickly buggers off while the Dread gets tired of bashing stuff in. By which time he's unconscious (else he'd be still bashing stuff in!)

Hmm...

...Yeah, he's probably just respawn in the Warp.

If it was any other kind of Dreadnought, though... xD

How did I manage what? The Legion of the Damned crowbar or the customising?

Mostly the Legion of the Damned crowbar x3

You sure? These are the Tyranids we're talking about. You know, the ones who make enough psychic noise to drown out the warp in the area between the two prongs of their fleet.

Well, it would probably survive eating Lucius as long as he wasn't swallowed alive and whole. He could cleave his way out, I think.

Eating Typhus, though... bad idea xD

 

[repeating integers]

Well, it would probably survive eating Lucius as long as he wasn't swallowed alive and whole. He could cleave his way out, I think.

Eating Typhus, though... bad idea xD

Aye, that does seem a very Space Marine-y thing to do (Chaos or not). I once heard a tale from my local GW of a Terminator who got stepped on by a Titan, then climbed up out of the footprint.

 

[Alexander Haslund]

i would say heavy marine squards with a couple of dreads and lots of terminators.
i play spacemarines because i also reed the books

 

[MartianWarMachine]

Well, it would probably survive eating Lucius as long as he wasn't swallowed alive and whole. He could cleave his way out, I think.

Eating Typhus, though... bad idea xD

Aye, that does seem a very Space Marine-y thing to do (Chaos or not). I once heard a tale from my local GW of a Terminator who got stepped on by a Titan, then climbed up out of the footprint.

That... sounds about right xD

 

[renegade7]

WE'Z DA ORKZ AND WE'Z MADE FOR FIHTIN' AND WINNIN'! WAAAAGH!

The army I use most often is infantry focused. It has a hard core of Ork boyz-around 1200 out of a 2000 point army. I always give them shootas, because despite a shitty ballistics score, they still have a lot of firepower and can usually score quite a few kills under weight of fire alone. I then back them up with a looted tank and a squad of lootaz or possible warbikers.

In a larger army, I also make use of a fully loaded out nobz squad. 15 of the fuckers with power claws and combi-weapons are fucking NASTY. I try to fit in a dread or 2, but not always. Sometimes I go with more looted wagons for my heavy choice, really whatever I feel like at the time. Of course I add more warbikes, usually up to a single squad. Grots. Lots of grots. And of course, still having a hard infantry core.

 

[El Dwarfio]

Fuegen and an elite squad of Fire Dragons in the back of a Falcon with a Shining Lance. I usually play against Tau / Marines so suicide charge the heaviest target with the falcon, have your fire dragons jump into cover lose to enemy lines and then proceed to blow the shit out of everything.

I find the falcon to be a bit of a glass cannon, but that's fine, it's wreckage makes good cover for the Fire Warriors.

 

[SckizoBoy]

Mostly the Legion of the Damned crowbar x3

Oh, some contrivance of a 'controlled' black rage (a la Lemartes) en masse in a successor chapter, but Astorath isn't about with his big axe, unfortunately. The current enemy du jour (a bunch of Chaos Daemons) go happy-slappy on them, but pay the price because they're all raged up. Enter Legion of the Damned, then Inquisition. Do the math! XD

Well, it would probably survive eating Lucius as long as he wasn't swallowed alive and whole. He could cleave his way out, I think.

Eating Typhus, though... bad idea xD

See that's actually a difficult one: SM armour vs Tyranid digestive juices?! LOL

 

[Paragon Fury]

Man, just reading about 40k stuff makes me wish I could play.

Though reading about 40k stuff makes my wallet start to climb out of my pocket to strangle me, so maybe its good I don't.

 

[deathbydeath]

Kinda off-topic, but are SM's on bikes (as troop choices)/White Scars be a good beginners army (for both ability to learn and cost).

By cost do you mean points or money? Money-wise, they're pretty expensive (probably about $30 for three... or thereabouts) and for White Scars, you need at least twenty-five to make it worth your while in a 1500pt army.

And unless you're into hobbying (converting & customising) I wouldn't really go for it because characters on bikes have no original models so you have to do your own (I don't think that White Scars captain from the SM codex has his own model yet). Though, you could get Sammael and have a go with him...

I was thinking about getting some Ravenwing battle forces and trimming off the DA symbols, because it's much, much cheaper that way, and you get some cool bits to play with. I had a mock list somewhere that I can't find now, but the jist was something along the lines of:

A vanilla SM captain & Command squad all decked out on bikes with melee/pistol weapons
Several (3-4?) bike squads as troops, mostly fitted with a heavy bolter attack bike
A couple land speeder squadrons in groups of two, and I think either most or all were fitted with multi-meltas and other anti-armour weapons
And maybe an attack bike squadron also all fitted with MM's to serve as backfield tank killers

 

[MartianWarMachine]

Oh, some contrivance of a 'controlled' black rage (a la Lemartes) en masse in a successor chapter, but Astorath isn't about with his big axe, unfortunately. The current enemy du jour (a bunch of Chaos Daemons) go happy-slappy on them, but pay the price because they're all raged up. Enter Legion of the Damned, then Inquisition. Do the math! XD

Erm... relatively sane Black Rage sufferers, no Astorath, pile of Daemon corpses, something to do with the Legion of the Damned, and the pesky Inquisition x3

See that's actually a difficult one: SM armour vs Tyranid digestive juices?! LOL

Well, it's more like SM weapons and strength vs Tyranid throat lining...

 

[Joshimodo]

Well, since it apparently has to be HQ choices...

My old Hive Tyrant.


Winged, so could move double distance in movement.

Scything Talons, so +2 attacks in combat.

Implant Attack gives 2 wounds instead of 1 to any creature that doesn't make a saving roll.

Flesh Hooks, giving the equivalent of Frag Grenades and making the Tyrant an impassible object.

Monstrous Creature, so ignored armour saves.

Bio Plasma, so I can get another attack that hits on a 4+ D6, ignores Weapon Skill, and hits with Strength+1 (max 10).

Warp Field, giving a +2 save.

Warp Blast, allowing a 24" ranged attack to soften up enemies before swooping in to annihilate them.





This guy would be moving across the board in 2-3 turns, heading straight for any heavy weapons or HQ/Elites, and proceed to either kill or hold units. Along with him would be 2-3 squads of Hormagaunts moving up to 18" per turn, each squad with 24-32 units. They could also Assault at ranges of 12". Behind these would come a squad of Genestealers which would absolutely destroy any vehicles or powerful single units. Or they could Deep Strike.

While all that was rushing in, Old One Eye and a HEAVILY mutated Carnifex (with pretty much the same bonuses as Old One Eye) would be lumbering ever closer. Had Warriors covering them, too.

 

[SckizoBoy]

I was thinking about getting some Ravenwing battle forces and trimming off the DA symbols, because it's much, much cheaper that way, and you get some cool bits to play with. I had a mock list somewhere that I can't find now, but the jist was something along the lines of:

A vanilla SM captain & Command squad all decked out on bikes with melee/pistol weapons
Several (3-4?) bike squads as troops, mostly fitted with a heavy bolter attack bike
A couple land speeder squadrons in groups of two, and I think either most or all were fitted with multi-meltas and other anti-armour weapons
And maybe an attack bike squadron also all fitted with MM's to serve as backfield tank killers

If you're going for a themed army, cool.

If you're going for a competitive army, not so cool. The problem with bikes is that they (for their points) just don't have that much impact. Endurance, yes, but not much impact, since they are just T5 marines when they charge, something I think they need to review (make them slightly more expensive but give them a special rule along the lines of 'Impact Hits' when they charge). Given their cost (which is actually pretty cheap now, thankfully), you need to have fifteen bikes roaming around to stomp on enemy units, which I don't really like the idea of, as they don't have enough attacks or powerful enough attacks to make telling blows in combat.

The thing is, bikes make brilliant line troops for a speed based army, but they're useless as both a hammer unit (high impact killing force) and as an anvil unit (bullet magnet). So you need to make them a stand off-ish & shooty army, which can be done, but it plays very badly and opponents won't really enjoy it unless the get the jump on isolated units and I don't think you'd enjoy it either. I'd recommend complementing a core force of bikes with a couple tactical/dev squads in Drop Pods.

Me personally, here is the core of my bike army:

Kayvaan Shrike
SM Captain on Bike
Command Squad on Bikes (+ Champ & 2+ PW's)

7 Assault Terminators
20+ SM Bikes

See what I did there?!

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Well, now that we've hijacked your thread into a '***** unit' thread, I'll return it to OT with the following: (and I'll precis this by mentioning that when I remembered this, I jumped up and down with idiotic enthusiasm like a little schoolboy...) -_-

Kayvaan Shrike, surrounded by Assault Terminators!!

Purely for teh lulz! One of my friends suggested this to me and leant me his converted squad: the GW Kayvaan and Terminators converted to make it look as though they're tiptoeing around, absolute genius!

 

[SckizoBoy]

Erm... relatively sane Black Rage sufferers, no Astorath, pile of Daemon corpses, something to do with the Legion of the Damned, and the pesky Inquisition x3

Yeah, well, who said it had to make sense?! XD

 

[SckizoBoy]

EDITED OUT & INTO EARLIER POST - sorry folks...

 

[MartianWarMachine]

Erm... relatively sane Black Rage sufferers, no Astorath, pile of Daemon corpses, something to do with the Legion of the Damned, and the pesky Inquisition x3

Yeah, well, who said it had to make sense?! XD

It's Warhammer! Nothing makes sense! xD

 

[verdant monkai]

Well, now that we've hijacked your thread into a '***** unit' thread, I'll return it to OT with the following: (and I'll precis this by mentioning that when I remembered this, I jumped up and down with idiotic enthusiasm like a little schoolboy...) -_-

Kayvaan Shrike, surrounded by Assault Terminators!!

Purely for teh lulz! One of my friends suggested this to me and leant me his converted squad: the GW Kayvaan and Terminators converted to make it look as though they're tiptoeing around, absolute genius!

ha ha I would love to see that would you be able to post an image of it?

 

[SckizoBoy]

ha ha I would love to see that would you be able to post an image of it?

Unfortunately no... 'twas a friend's squad and it wasn't painted, which is a pity. Still isn't, I think. Though moving them around the board was silly, making stupid sounds of TacDreadArmour trying to be quiet!

 

[Ultrajoe]

Played a few 1000 point games this afternoon, using a chaos space marine force with marines and zerkers in rhinos, a lasdread, laspred and lashing demon prince. I carved the blood angels up into pieces with my lascannons and the berserkers, my abundance of rhino chassis let me control the battlefield to my benefit.

The next game, against tyranids, I lost my demon prince early to some shrikes and after that I simply couldn't undo the enemy swarmlord.

 

[TimeLord]

The next game, against tyranids, I lost my demon prince early to some shrikes and after that I simply couldn't undo the enemy swarmlord.

Swarms. I hate 'Nid swarms. One of two armys that my Dark Angels just can't muster enough firepower to deal with before getting torn apart in close combat.