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And would PLAY IT AGAIN!!!!! HAHAHAHA.

Look these newer ones are trying to flaunt their 4 year college education in economics for me keep it simple. But the dungeon crawling is basic I will give you that.
Maybe you should? I really liked the game when it first came out and I played it in high-school, but I never beat it. Then I thought I'd correct that so I replayed it in 2019 and found that it was not nearly as good or innovative as I had initially thought and actually was a total slog to play to the end. The dungeon crawling is like 80% of the game too.
 

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You should check out Moonlighter (dungeon crawler + store management sim) and Dredge (fishing game + management sim). Neither is terribly complex regarding the management part but they feed the other half of the game in a fun, natural way.
I did play Dredge, it was fun too. I will check out Moonlighter.
 
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Re4make, made it to the island in under 3 hours. On top of being the shortest section of the game the island is basically skip central since it rarely locks you in fights, and when it does there's usually a workaround. There's a laser grid fencing the first big fight which you can bypass by tricking an enemy into it and using him as a shield. There's a bunch of scripted sections where an NPC has to go through the motions of tearing down a wall or destroying a turret which you can skip by grenading the hell out of them. too bad they patched the chapter 14 gate skip though.

Just made it to Chapter 15 in 3 hours 40 minutes. I definitely slowed down after making it to the castle in hour twelve and stopped stressing about the 5 hour mark.
 

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Started on Hades. Yeah, I can see why this was so popular. I'm still not the biggest fan of the gameplay, but the presentation sure was sweet.
Hades is the game that made me understand that I don't like rogueli*es because I loved the presentation and the gameplay but then I got resentful having to beat the same bosses over and over.
 

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Hades is the game that made me understand that I don't like rogueli*es because I loved the presentation and the gameplay but then I got resentful having to beat the same bosses over and over.
Have you tried out Double Dragon Gaiden yet? It's a rogue-like with tons of accessibility and easier difficulty options. You can make the game as easy or as hard as you want. Though if you want to get all the best unlocks, you have to play on the hardest or near hardest difficulty. The best part is that the game doesn't punish you either way for playing on whatever difficulty you like. You can still get the true ending regardless of difficulty.

The game has kick-ass music too.

 
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Whatever, just wash your hands.
Hades is the game that made me understand that I don't like rogueli*es because I loved the presentation and the gameplay but then I got resentful having to beat the same bosses over and over.
I would still say that while Hades is fantastic, the definitive roguelite/like is still FTL or Binding of Issac.
 

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Have you tried out Double Dragon Gaiden yet? It's a rogue-luke with tons of accessibility and easier difficulty options. You can make the game as easy or as hard as you want. Though if you want to get all the best unlocks, you have to play on the hardest or near hardest difficulty. The best part is that the game doesn't punish you either way for playing on whatever difficulty you like. You can still get the true ending regardless of difficulty.

The game has kick-ass music too.

No but I'll keep it in mind for sure if/when I'm in the mood for a brawler/fighting thing again (I'm on a whole 'nother wavelength right now)
 
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I would still say that while Hades is fantastic, the definitive roguelite/like is still FTL or Binding of Issac.
The definitive Roguelike is clearly Nethack. FTL and BoI barely even know what it means to be like Rogue.

But yeah, Hades is really good in combat and story, but the procgen is completely lacking.
 
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Hades is the game that made me understand that I don't like rogueli*es because I loved the presentation and the gameplay but then I got resentful having to beat the same bosses over and over.
Yeah, the whole starting over each time aspect was bugging me. I had a good groove on with Athena's powers and my muscle memory kept fucking me over when I ended up with Zeus or Poseidon's powers.

I do have to say though, the lore and worldbuilding of why this game is a roguelike makes so much sense, major kudos to the devs for realizing that.
 
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Whatever, just wash your hands.
The definitive Roguelike is clearly Nethack. FTL and BoI barely even know what it means to be like Rogue.

But yeah, Hades is really good in combat and story, but the procgen is completely lacking.
Nethack is for people who are turned on by asci.
 

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Finished Re4make on Standard difficulty in 4 hours. S+ ranking. Gonna take a break and then do it again on Hardcore for the Platinum.
 
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Sure hope nobody steps on you. :sneaky:

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This was indeed the presentation I was talking about.

Anyway, it's been a longgggg time since a game made me physically painful lol. My right hand is no slacker but I've forced myself to give the poor guy a rest.

I've gotten as far as defeating the Minotaur, and yeah, definitely starting to weary of the repetitiveness.
 

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Tried to play non-VR non-Steam games on my PC over my Meta Quest 3 and using Meta apps, have been unable to do so. Today I tried Virtual Desktop and Virtual Desktop Streamer and that worked. Not as sharp as just looking at my 1080p 60 mhz LED Vizio TV that I'm using for a monitor so I'll have to mess with my Quest 3 apps some more. But I played some Forza Horizon 4 and Halo 4 from the Xbox PC app over the headset and it is like sitting 4 feet from a 100" screen.

 

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Rogue. It's in the damn name. If Nethack was the definitive game, they'd be called Nethack-likes.
Rogue isn't like Rogue, it is Rogue! Nethack defines just what it means to be like Rogue, but not Rogue.

Nethack is for people who are turned on by asci.
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Now that's hot!
 

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I check the latest page and @Worgen 's post is the first thing I see. STOP, I grew out of that phase!

Anyways, I have been playing Tactics Ogre Reborn for a bit, and you know what? It definitely is a copium for FFT not having an official port on pc.

It's not FFT and nothing will ever replace my love for that game, but TOR gets close enough. It does sometimes get annoying because this game loves to put emphasis on elevations, and your view gets blocked and you have to awkwardly switch the camera between isometric view and top-down view
 
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