What are your thoughts on suicide?
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Probably an unpopular opinion, but I think if there is a right to life, there should also be a right to death. It may be selfish, it may not be, but IMO that's irrelevant - it's your life, your choice and your responsibility.
If you have a child, however difficult it may be, suicide for them is a possibility. Same goes if you befriend a person. I think (feel free to take it up with me if you think I'm wrong!) the 'it's selfish' argument comes from it affecting others negatively, but I think it's illogical to live solely for someone else's sake if a person really wants to die. Of course suicide is overwhelmingly accompanied by mental illness, which should of course be treated and suicide /is/ a tragedy, but I don't think that takes away from a person's life being that person's responsibility.
If you have a child, however difficult it may be, suicide for them is a possibility. Same goes if you befriend a person. I think (feel free to take it up with me if you think I'm wrong!) the 'it's selfish' argument comes from it affecting others negatively, but I think it's illogical to live solely for someone else's sake if a person really wants to die. Of course suicide is overwhelmingly accompanied by mental illness, which should of course be treated and suicide /is/ a tragedy, but I don't think that takes away from a person's life being that person's responsibility.
People who commit suicide tend to be the mentally ill, the unfortunate and the downtrodden. These people harmless and don't deserve to die, not by their hand or anyone else's.
Still, freedom is freedom.
Still, freedom is freedom.
No, it's the reasonable thing to say. Richard Epcar once said in relation to life "how I choose to waste it is my own damn business."phylline said:
People say suicide is selfish. You know what's selfish? Ignoring someone that's suicidal. Not like it's an easy thing to do. Science tells us suicidal people broadcast it like a fucking HBO special.
For you folks that are saying suicides are selfish, if I were you I wouldn't judge until I've been in their shoes.
As a once suicidal person, I must say, you can't truely understand unless you've been pushed to the brink like that.
I'm not saying it's a good answer to anything, I just believe it can be justifiable.
Now, let's talk about rainbows.
I'm not saying it's a good answer to anything, I just believe it can be justifiable.
Now, let's talk about rainbows.
Suicide is selfish if you do nothing to try and look at the "other side". I don't pitty those will not try help themselves, though I do believe you shouldn't judge people if you don't know the whole story. I have a friend who recently took his own life. I do not know whether or not he seeked help but I seriously doubt since no one could tell he was depressed or knew why he did it. The bottom line is be smart, think ahead and make the right choice. Try to not let depression cloud your decision making, no matter how bad the situation is.
I'm pretty lenient on it. If someone really hates their life that much they no longer want to live, then go for it I say, just don't expect any sympathy from me.
I wonder about this. Mostly because I'm the kind of person who has read lots of spiritual, religious, or philosophic texts, and has found a recurrent theme among many of them: namely, the shedding of the mortal/physical in exchange for a spiritual or celestial. We tend to see suicide as a coward's way out, and it most certainly can be that. But that's not all it can be. It can be a release for those that have no other avenues left to turn to for reprieve. If you turn to god, only to find that god isn't there for you, and turn to science, only to find explanations and not meaning, are turned away from friends and family because of the choices you or they have made, then the crushing isolation of the world would certainly weigh on you. Living for the sake of living seems shallow, then, doesn't it?Necrosis1994 said:
However, I sit curious on something: if you have found a place where you truly want for nothing, find the necessities of the world something purposelessly repetitive, find yourself unwilling to wait through a long period of unfortunate coincidences and circumstances, and feel confident in the idea of either something beyond this, something around this, returning as atoms to something else, or taking control in whatever way you can, would not removing yourself from the world, that you need not spend your time in menial unhappiness, be an elegant solution?
If you find yourself even remotely spiritual, the idea of ascendance, transcendence, or even rescendance must be either confusing or blissful for you, and if you have embraced the idea, then all that stops you is your ties here. If one were to make it clear, and on no uncertain terms, that this is your decision, that you are happy in it, and that you want to say thank you and goodbye, then it would seem to cease to be a cowards way out, and is instead someone doing the best thing for themselves, is it not?
I can understand suicide/assisted suicide if you have a degenerative disease, like one that takes your mind and body and leaves you five years to live... technically, but without memory or motive force. There are some times when it's all over but the crying, and people shouldn't be forced to stick around after they feel they're simply a burden on the people they love.
Aside from that, though, help beats the sweet release of death. If you can still act, if you can still think and feel and talk, there is redemption to be had. There's a chance to make something of your life, no matter how hopeless things look, and counseling and medication can get you there.
Just remember... by all accounts, whatever comes after life goes on forever. You'll be dead a long time, there's no rush to get there even if it is better. That step's a doozy, though, and you can't take it back.
Aside from that, though, help beats the sweet release of death. If you can still act, if you can still think and feel and talk, there is redemption to be had. There's a chance to make something of your life, no matter how hopeless things look, and counseling and medication can get you there.
Just remember... by all accounts, whatever comes after life goes on forever. You'll be dead a long time, there's no rush to get there even if it is better. That step's a doozy, though, and you can't take it back.
That's a new perspective on things, I've never seen it explained that way before. I'm not a hugely spiritual person myself but I can certainly see what you're saying and I must say it's an interesting take on things.BehattedWanderer said:
4 years ago I lost my best friend to suicide, and sometime after that my mom attempted it as well. But despite all that, I still really don't know what I think of it. I think it personally gives me a really bad taste in my mouth and I can't really stand to be around those who wear it on their shoulder. For example, I had a girlfriend once who, when we'd get into a bad argument she would say, "Nobody even loves me anyway. I'm just going to go kill myself now!" I can't stand it or any of the sort. Urgh... If you have a genuine problem, then fine but I really don't have much empathy for those people, myself.
if I didn't have such a big karmic and financial debt to pay off... I'd probably have commited suicide by now, and I've attempted it a few times, didn't work though... So I figure I'm just gonna live a life of general ill luck and general suffering.
Why kill yourself to get away from the problem, when you can kill the problem just as easily. Remember, Suicide and murder are both sins, but you can ask for forgiveness after committing murder.Necrosis1994 said:
NOTE: I do not now, nor will I ever, condone either Murder of Suicide, the above was a poor attempt at humor
