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Matthew Jabour

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The big news, recently, is that China may be lifting its ban on consoles. As a result, some stock prices have been shooting up. But why? What effect could China have on the videogame market? And who stands to profit the most from it all? Well, let's break things down, shall we?

First of all, China is big. Huge. Gigantic. That's pretty much the main reason that this is significant. If 1% of all Chinese bought a console, that console would be the most profitable automatically. But sheer numbers alone won't do the trick. What about demographics?

Well, to start, due to China's efforts to curtail population growth, most of the population is in the 15-64 age rank. This initially sounds bad for child friendly consoles, like Nintendo, but remember, this also means the Young Adult demographic is low as well. The main 'meat' of the Chinese population is in the very middle, the 30-50 year olds, who, in this country, represent the 'casual' demographic. In addition, due to the mostly banned nature of consoles here beforehand, many of these people are not too familiar with games in general, and would be looking for a more casual start. Advantage: Nintendo.

However, it's not like they have never experienced videogames before; China maintains a strong PC gaming following to this day. On one hand, Sony and Microsoft's consoles might appeal more to these people, seeing as how it would be similar to what they know; on the other hand, they already have PCs, and would not likely see these new consoles as a big step forward. Up in the air on that one.

Now, let's get to a problem that has plagued many countries for years: censorship. This is, of course, what they're lightening up on right now, but if Australia has shown us anything, it's that governments never really give up on censoring. This, too, would seem to work in Nintendo's favor, due to their family friendly library. I'm not saying that Sony or Microsoft would be outright barred from entering the country, but when China starts banning games, they won't start with Super Monkey Ball, if you catch my drift.

Another big contributor is price. China is notorious for its low income, so a cheaper console would naturally get more widely purchased. $300, $400, $500. Need I say more?

(Side note: The handheld market, in this case, would not be particularly affected. Consoles are a luxury, but handhelds are even more so. I doubt that an average Chinese citizen, after purchasing a $300 gaming machine, would shell out another $200 for the privilege of playing games on his bicycle.)

Finally, we have cultural differences. This might be the biggest factor in all of this. Chinese will adapt much more easily to a company that reflects their national traditions. This has been abated, somewhat, in recent years, due to globalization, but in a new market like consoles, it would still be reasonable to assume that a culturally out-of-place console would struggle more. Microsoft will obviously have a hard time with this, as they are very much a Western company, but I think Sony might actually have more of a problem with this. Their recent hits have been largely western, with companies like Naughty Dog and Quantic Dream taking home the gold, and they don't seem fully prepared to adapt to a new market. Nintendo, meanwhile, has remained culturally ambivalent through all this, their Miis representing a broad, open-hearted embrace to all races and cultures. I think they'll be just fine.]

So, yeah, that's why Nintendo's stock just went through the roof. But that's just my opinion. What do you all think?

P.S. If there are any Chinese people reading this, please feel free to point out my misgivings about Chinese culture.
 

LaoJim

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Not Chinese myself, but lived there for 8 years and have a Chinese wife.

A lot of what you say is true. However one thing I don't think you've considered is the hugely negative attitude many people have towards video games. There is a lot more pressure on teenagers especially to study well and a lot of them have no free time to do anything. They will often be completely banned by parents from doing anything fun. For example my brother-in-law has a five year old boy, who is not allowed to play games with me (like Rayman for example) because his parents don't want him developing 'bad habit' when he's older. Even when they are in university, students are far more likely to persuade their parents to buy them a laptop, "because it's for study" than they are to get a dedicated gaming machine.

Still as you say even 1% of the Chinese market is still huge.

If they are going to get a games machine then don't discount handhelds. China as you say is huge and train/bus journeys of 8 hours or even 24 hours are common. Students live in dormitories of upto 8 people where there isn't space for a TV/console set up, and so a 3DS would be perfect for after lights out. Plus many Chinese are interested showing off their consumer electrics, like iPads. Easier to do with a Vita than a PlayStation.

Also remember most Chinese strongly dislike the Japanese and so may not necessarily favour Nintendo like you suggest.

Finally while Eastern RPGs are popular in China, the other big genre is FPS. So much so that the most commonly used term for paintball in China is "Real-life Counter Strike" The Chinese don't share the Japanese distaste for this genre, and Nintendo's weakness in this area is a problem.
 

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LaoJim said:
Also remember most Chinese strongly dislike the Japanese and so may not necessarily favour Nintendo like you suggest.
I can pretty much confirm this based on my Japanese history classes (I'm a Japanese major in college). There are many Chinese who do not like Japan at all, in fact a lot of Asia feels similarly. Most of it can be traced back to World War II actually. For example, after World War II South Korea had banned all Japanese "cultural items" from the country, and they could not be imported as well. It wasn't until 1998 that South Korea started to ease up on it, and then in 2004 the import ban was removed. The only way Nintendo got around this way by licensing the NES and SNES' manufacturing to a South Korea-based country, and even then it wasn't the best. After 2004's import ban was removed though Nintendo has been able to operate freely themselves in South Korea. North Korea still has a ban, but then again North Korea has bans on many things and if there is a worse tension then it's between North Korea and Japan since North Korea has been firing missiles that land off the coast of Japan from time to time.

If we go based on the governments, in the last few years alone China and Japan's governments have really been growing in tension with each other to the point in which it's starting to get nasty (although in the last few months it's seemed calmer)

The main thing though, and this was brought up in another thread, is that China could end up eventually making their own console. Many of the consoles have been manufactured in China itself, and the possibility of a Chinese company making their own console would seem more likely.
 

Pr0

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Give them all the games. Maybe they'll be too busy to call in their loans and downgrade the national credit of every nation on the planet and plunge the world into a dark age in the process.
 

Frezzato

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I think it's really a question of what Nintendo, Sony, and Microsoft will do.

I may have misread this, but I swear all related articles stated that consoles meant for sale in China must be made in China. I forget the name of the region.

Yes, here we go:
According to the temporary ban lift by Chinese authorities, foreign video game console makers such as Sony and Microsoft would be permitted to sell consoles if they are manufactured in the Shanghai Free Trade Zone.

IBT [http://www.ibtimes.com/china-lifts-14-year-old-video-game-console-ban-caveats-will-sony-microsoft-nintendo-be-attracted]
I don't know why, but I find that very interesting. I suspect that, should any of the three companies decide to set up shop there, they'd also seriously consider altering specific games for sale in China. However, the restriction on internet traffic poses an interesting question as well. Most multiplayer games would probably not work, or if they do then the respective networks would be made to work in China only--uh, probably. I also don't know what the infrastructure is like there. I don't see a market opening up overnight, but I bet that developers will be tempted by the market and create games specifically for China, if not heavily modify existing appropriate titles.

Upon reflection, I think LaoJim is right. Handhelds have pretty much universal appeal. I also think it would be really cool if Microsoft decided to enter the handheld market simply because of the potential in China, although they'll probably just try and push Windows Phone games or something.

I'm clearly just guessing wildly here, but the potential of what can happen has left me strangely, uncharacteristically, optimistic.
 

AldUK

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Both Sony and Nintendo will struggle in China since as mentioned already, the vast majority of Chinese people actually hate Japanese people and everything that comes from there. So much so that there are verified reports of Chinese people being dragged from Japanese cars and beaten by a mob that then destroys the car. There just isn't a market in China for the Japanese games companies.

Funnily enough, they don't have as big a prejudice towards the West (though there is still some) and Microsoft could definitely find a market for their Xbox in China that could massively influence the balance of power in the console wars.

Most likely scenario however, is that a Chinese company will make a new console with Chinese games for a Chinese market. That's generally how China operates.
 

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reiniat said:
I was halfway trough a post about how idiot, awful and boring should be the chinese, and then i thought on Amurica.... Fine by me, maybe chinese are up to something that really matters instead of waste their lives not doing anything and laughing at their own stupidity like it was any good :p
So ... no life at all, and likely, no control over the path your future takes ...

Is preferable to having a life, and choosing for your self your own futures path?


Interesting ...

But, I notice that's a problem Japan shares as well, 'live to work' is no life at all, course, nether is doing nothing of value with your time. But that's the trick isn't it?

How does one truly determine the value of an irreplaceable resource like time is spent?
 

Daniel-john Housley

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You sorely underestimate, (like many people) the average Chinese citizens buying power.

You should inspect the smart phone market for a full understanding of just how much of an individual's income can/will be considered disposable for purchasing treats/phones/consoles/watches.

Especially in China.

It's massive.
 

RandV80

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I'd also imagine China has problems with wealth distribution. Unlike in North America People in rural China, farmers and the like, seem to be dirt poor, but millions living in the city are going to have money. I have no idea how it all breaks down but if you ask anyone from China they have faith in their government because things have consistently been getting better for the people over the last few decades. While national average wages remain low there's gotta be a significant class of people making decent money, beyond the usual wealthy.

Now I have no idea what they may do in regards to video games, though I'd be interested in seeing them start making games themselves that could be localized over here. There more options we have the better after all, and it would be pretty funny to play a game where the American's are the bad guys for a change!
 

Fireaxe

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Chinese probably won't buy Sony or Nintendo products much, given the common sentiment in China towards Japan is basically "fuck those guys". Could be good for the Xbox I guess.
 

WWmelb

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http://www.escapistmagazine.com/articles/view/editorials/interviews/10065-American-McGee-Sets-the-Record-Straight-on-Chinas-Game-Policy

This article is worth a read on the subject of gaming in china if you missed it a few months ago.
 

LaoJim

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From the IBT article.

Another issues that may hinder the potential Chinese video game market is the rampant piracy in the country, but game developer and publishers seem to be undaunted.
This is going to be a significant problem for developers. Because of the ban, all 'black-market' consoles that are sold are already chipped and games are available for less that $1. Because I have and want to keep a legit console, it's very difficult for me to buy any games in China and I have to stock up every year when I come home in the summer holidays.

As people have said the buying power of Chinese varies wildly across the country and there are still some areas of extreme poverty. But it is increasingly common for nearly all my students to have a laptop for their studies and most houses, at least in more affluent villages, will have a flat-screen TV (not necessarily a huge one though). A lot of Chinese will spend money on electronic, if they can see a use for it, but they won't waste that kind of money on stuff they don't really need.

Also remember that a lot of gaming in China is done in internet cafes. That + the ban means that all popular games made by Chinese developers are on PC. There's not going to be a huge demand for Chinese developers to port or create new products for the consoles, when the PC market is already so much larger. That'd be my guess anyway
 

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reiniat said:
Oh well, im obviously talking about USA freedom, and we all know that thing is as mythological as an unicorn, the people in USA are slaves of the market, and they are so happy to be so, and even then when they have problems they go crying to the govern "oh govern save us.... save us the job of deciding what our children should watch in tv and give money to that stupid corporation that fucked it up...". Im not trying to be mean im jut stating the truth.
In theory, freedom is better than forced duty, but in reality true freedom is incredibly scarce and often misinterpreted, and as such i tend to value more the duty and the sacrifice. :p
And thats mainly because i live in Mexico, you may hear news about how fucked up is Mexico; well yes they are true, Mexico is as fucked up as USA, open your eyes! AND GOD FUCK US ALL XD
>.>

I

as an American,

should be pissed about this.

>.>

Can't say I am though, save a few minor things, I more or less agree. Love my country, but don't love everything about it.


Anyway, firstly, 'The Market'

I can see where you'd get that idea, looking from the outside in, but there's a lot of places here where the effect it has on anything there is ether so minor or takes so long to reach us, it's not really any issue. Sure city's like LA or New York, I'm inclined to agree. Where I live though? The recession was starting to recover a little be fore we even noticed there was a problem where I live. But yes, there are problems with 'The Market' as is, but those problems can be laid squarely at the feet of Government for not regulating it and generally just letting greedy fuckers do what ever the hell they want with no regard for the effect it'll have on the country as a whole

why yes, I do think those bank CEOs should have been arrested and tried on charges of treason for fucking things up :3 thanks for asking.


and Secondly, 'The Government Will Save Us'

This .... is 'ROTFLMAO ... oh wait your serious. let me laugh even harder' levels of wrong. While there are, unfortunately, people that think the US government is 'doing a good job', but those people are the same people that basically cause the rescission in the first place, the average person like me? You'll be MUCH hard pressed to find some one who actually thinks that way. The current congress has the lowest approval rating of any congress in our history, and the president isn't doing much better (hows that 'hope' working for you?). So no, we are not 'happy' nor do we think they will save us. We actually expect things to get worse before they get better.


Where the 'complacency' comes from is that, we currently have no 'out'. Our beloved 'democracy' is being abused to such a degree that we've found our selves stuck in a very shitty position, where the average persons vote doesn't mean nearly as much as they'd like you to think it does. Case in point, 'The Majority Vote' IE, the votes from the citizens like me, means NOTHING in the Presidential Election as the Electoral votes, of which there are like 100 or so of those I think, could be more, but the point being a very small number of people have the actual power to elect a president, while the rest of us? Posting here is about as effective for casting votes. So really it less about being complacent and more about, we just don't have any better options :/

for some of us anyway, ignorant masses an all.


anyway, that's all i got to say about that, just conciser the stuff I didn't reply to as me basically agreeing.
 

kilenem

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Aparently Nintendo had succes with something called the Ique under the console ban which plays N64 games. So Mario and other Nintendo characters are known about.

Also Micheal Pachter said Nintendo produces the lowest barrier to entry with the mini at 99 dollars and they have a DS model at lower then a 100 dollars.

I don't think games have to a culture barrier. Pokemon sells like drugs world wide. If its a good game people will buy it.
 

kilenem

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Pr0 said:
Give them all the games. Maybe they'll be too busy to call in their loans and downgrade the national credit of every nation on the planet and plunge the world into a dark age in the process.
Its bad business if you call in government loans. The U.S didn't call in a lot of loans right after WW2 because countries would've gone bankrupt. We would've had less trading partners hurting our economy. When the U.S did call in Loans under Nixon we were paid in gold and Diamonds. So the U.S became the country with the most amount of Gold on earth. In response European countries went off the gold standard because there was noway they could compete with the U.S dollar being that valuable . Nixon also has to go off the Gold Standard so the U.S dollar wasn't able to compete. Aslo WW2 was caused by the World demanding Germany repay War reparations for world war 1. Plunging Germany into debt and the Jews were blamed for the country being so poor.
 

goodman528

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In a few years time China will be one of the biggest games markets like USA and Japan are today. One of the biggest effects of this will be that consoles will now get hacked a lot faster after release, and DRM for console games will experience what PC games have experienced in recent years.

The thing you need to remember about electronics in China is this is a place where you can buy anything you can buy in the west for 10% of the price and twice the functionality. E.G. in UK you buy a smart phone for £500, the mobile signal is locked to your service provider, and the app store is locked to your region. In China you buy a smart phone for Y500, it takes multiple sim cards, and can run andriod or a hacked ios depends on what you choose at start up, with the ability to pirate every app, video, and music for free.

I predict in 5 years time the consoles wars will be over. There will be a Chinese console that can play xbox, PS, and Nintendo games, all in one box.