What Defines a True man ?

[TheEvilCheese]

(Be a man)
We must be swift as
the coursing river
(Be a man)
With all the force
of a great typhoon
(Be a man)
With all the strength
of a raging fire
Mysterious as the
dark side of the moon

*listens to that song on a loop*

 

[TerribleAssassin]

A true man doesn't love a million girls.
He loves one girl a million ways.

He should also be kind and honest.

And have a tickletackle (cookie for reference)

 

[Something Amyss]

Not technically true since parts of the Y chromosome can be recombined and passed onto a X chromosome so an individual could, assuming they get the correct parts from the Y chromosome, could have two XX chromosomes in structure but still develop male gentiles. I'm not an expert but its likely that such a male would have more female characteristics then a "true male" as it were such as having pubic hair in a similar shape to that found on females.

Not to mention that one can have a female brain and a male body.

The concept of being a "real man" or woman, for that matter, is increasingly irrelevant, a vestigial and artificial enforcement.

 

[Mad Fast]

Big muscles, a buxom wench and a job that involves smashing heavy things with heavier things.

 

[messy]

Not technically true since parts of the Y chromosome can be recombined and passed onto a X chromosome so an individual could, assuming they get the correct parts from the Y chromosome, could have two XX chromosomes in structure but still develop male gentiles. I'm not an expert but its likely that such a male would have more female characteristics then a "true male" as it were such as having pubic hair in a similar shape to that found on females.

Not to mention that one can have a female brain and a male body.

The concept of being a "real man" or woman, for that matter, is increasingly irrelevant, a vestigial and artificial enforcement.

Ah really? I didn't know of this one, my knowledge of sex determination is a bit limited to the chromosome cross-overs. May I ask, if you know, how does this occur?

 

[Something Amyss]

Ah really? I didn't know of this one, my knowledge of sex determination is a bit limited to the chromosome cross-overs. May I ask, if you know, how does this occur?

What I've described is basically the definition of a transsexual, and such an instance happens because of changes in hormone development in the womb. It's thus possible for the brain and body to get separate hormonal signals (Or for one to get none and go "default").

The result is wiring that for all intents and purposes is different from the body.

Studies on homosexuals' brains post mortem also indicates that gays tend to have brains with slightly more femminized or masculine traits than the heterosexual equivalent. This is sort of an aside, but it does demonstrate a sort of deviation from the norm as it were.

I'm biologically male and wired like a female, for example. Were they to examine my brain, it would likely be more in line with a woman's than a man's, save possibly for size (large skull). A lot of people don't get this, because they don't really get that men and woman have brains that actually look different (in terms of activity...It's not like they're pink for girls and blue for boys), but we do have a gender identity wired into us. It's just not particularly obvious because most people are wired appropriately for their bodies.

But I mean, I doubt I could ever be a "true man" in any sense except chromosomal. The flip side is, I wouldn't really want to be, either.

 

[Lyx]

A lot of people don't get this, because they don't really get that men and woman have brains that actually look different (in terms of activity...It's not like they're pink for girls and blue for boys), but we do have a gender identity wired into us. It's just not particularly obvious because most people are wired appropriately for their bodies.

Careful with your conclusions there. What commonly is called "gender" is much more than you measured. An additional problem is that i know of no study that analyzed the ability of self-programming. They basically take random people that already show certain behaviour, and then look at brain patterns.

What such research tells you, is that certain behaviour in this culture often comes together with certain brain activity. "Cause" and "development" however wasn't measured, and thus you have no data about that, unless you believe in the dualistic axiom, that the mind is just an effect of the body cause (which by the way has been disproven long ago).

P.S.: I'm aware that you were only talking about choice of sexual partner. "Gender" however is a category for more than just that, and therefore statements like "we do have a gender identity wired into us" can be highly misleading and dangerous.

 

[EatPieYes]

What a man is? A miserable pile of secrets! (cookie for reference)

Oh, if I can contribute to the thread in any way? Nah...

 

[messy]

Ah really? I didn't know of this one, my knowledge of sex determination is a bit limited to the chromosome cross-overs. May I ask, if you know, how does this occur?

What I've described is basically the definition of a transsexual, and such an instance happens because of changes in hormone development in the womb. It's thus possible for the brain and body to get separate hormonal signals (Or for one to get none and go "default").

The result is wiring that for all intents and purposes is different from the body.

Studies on homosexuals' brains post mortem also indicates that gays tend to have brains with slightly more femminized or masculine traits than the heterosexual equivalent. This is sort of an aside, but it does demonstrate a sort of deviation from the norm as it were.

I'm biologically male and wired like a female, for example. Were they to examine my brain, it would likely be more in line with a woman's than a man's, save possibly for size (large skull). A lot of people don't get this, because they don't really get that men and woman have brains that actually look different (in terms of activity...It's not like they're pink for girls and blue for boys), but we do have a gender identity wired into us. It's just not particularly obvious because most people are wired appropriately for their bodies.

But I mean, I doubt I could ever be a "true man" in any sense except chromosomal. The flip side is, I wouldn't really want to be, either.

Thank you for that

 

[JesterRaiin]

Inability to recognize colors other than "black", "white" and "kind of..."

 

[PoliceBox63]

Himself. anti low post count measure bler graa oooh

 

[Treeinthewoods]

A real man appears in Old Spice commercials...

Joking aside, to me a man is someone who faces his responsibilities head on and thrives. Whatever you want to do, do it well and try not to whine too much.

Side note - I kind of agree with Chris Rock when it comes to hitting women. I won't hit a woman, but I might shake the hell out of her if she tries to take a swing at me.

 

[Jack_Uzi]

There is no such thing as a true man. Only true people, trying to be honest regardless of the circomstances while knowing the consequences aren't always in their favor when truth is told.
That needs balls, regardless of gender.

 

[Axolotl]

What a man is? A miserable pile of secrets! (cookie for reference)

It's a quote from Andre Malraux.

 

[Duskwaith]

To be a true man.

Able to admit and accept defeat, gracious in winning and a gent to all he meets regardless of creed, sex or colour and in the words of confucius: To know what is right and not do it is the worst cowardice.

 

[The Hairminator]

 

[hurfdurp]

That guy from the movie Good Dick, which surprisingly is not pornography. Be like him.

"In Good Dick the man?s power has nothing to do with his physical strength, his appearance or his social status. He is masculine in a way that is genuine; this masculinity stems from his lack of chauvinism. His chivalry is his depth of kindness."

 

[Auron225]

Haha =) I would say stuff like "Y Chromosone", but I see the 'true' discussion your trying to spark

For me, I'd say most of the Gentleman qualities would make a true man - over brawn or anything else like that any day! The ability to be understanding is a big part of it, I think anyway.

 

[Korimyr the Rat]

From Mussolini and Gentile's Doctrine of Fascism [http://www.worldfuturefund.org/wffmaster/Reading/Germany/mussolini.htm]: "... man is man only by virtue of the spiritual process to which he contributes as a member of the family, the social group, the nation..."

Confucius believed that the "perfect man"-- the ideal to which all men should strive-- was a combination of saint, scholar, and gentleman. He cultivated moral virtue in himself and encouraged it in everyone else around him. He showed respect for his superiors, his peers, and his subordinates. He paid homage to his elder relatives and to his deceased ancestors before him.

I would add to this that a real man defends what is his. He defends his family, his home, and his homeland. He defends his values, and his tastes, and his reputation.

 

[KaosuHamoni]

The ability to show emotions openly, but not let them effect judgement.
The ability to respect a woman, to see them as people and, as far as relationships are concerned, to love them for what they are, not hating them for what they arn't, and never see the as objects or abuse them.