What do you Define as "Cheap"?
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That was my first Bolding. Yay, I did it ight my first try.TurtleBlob said:
Anyway, you don't seem like you've left sanity at all. You describe Over-Centralization, which is one of the worst problems a compeditive game can have (such as in Marvel vs Capcom 2, where your ONLY option when playing compeditively is to use characters with Infinites and to get the first hit in before your enemy does), and then how it negatively impacts those that want to play and haven't been absorbed into the "Wining is the only thing that matters" mindset.
The TF2 Engineer. I mean it's just standing round next to a super gun with aimbot.
I just don't like playing him really. But demos are always ready to obliiterate him so it's all balanced.
I just don't like playing him really. But demos are always ready to obliiterate him so it's all balanced.
Cheap for me is usually a way of playing where one player monopolizes the fun and makes the game shitty for others, usually breaking it in some way.
Some examples immediately come to mind:
1. Warsong gulch teams that rape in the first 5 minutes, score 2 flag caps, and run around with the flag for another hour farming kills.
2. Organized teams in Headquarters in any CoD game, that are winning by a margin of a couple hundred points, who coordinate their dogs/helicopters/etc, and again campu around the last headquarters without capping it, letting the game go on for-ever just so they can farm kills.
3. Paying money online for in-game items, ala Diablo 2.
I think if players who aren't using some sort of exploitative mechanic have no reasonable means of counter-acting the exploitative behavavior of the "Cheap" people, then it is cheap. Not cheap is anything that players are doing that there already exists ways around it, i.e. using stealth Characters in DotA or Eddie Gordo in Tekken, or Akimbo Shotguns in MW2.
Some examples immediately come to mind:
1. Warsong gulch teams that rape in the first 5 minutes, score 2 flag caps, and run around with the flag for another hour farming kills.
2. Organized teams in Headquarters in any CoD game, that are winning by a margin of a couple hundred points, who coordinate their dogs/helicopters/etc, and again campu around the last headquarters without capping it, letting the game go on for-ever just so they can farm kills.
3. Paying money online for in-game items, ala Diablo 2.
I think if players who aren't using some sort of exploitative mechanic have no reasonable means of counter-acting the exploitative behavavior of the "Cheap" people, then it is cheap. Not cheap is anything that players are doing that there already exists ways around it, i.e. using stealth Characters in DotA or Eddie Gordo in Tekken, or Akimbo Shotguns in MW2.
Nah man, Kirby and Pikachu from SSB, the original. That fucking block move that Kirby had still gives me nightmares. Fuckin Kirby...Christemo said:
I think this [http://shoryuken.com/?p=1145] write up at Shoryken.com says it better than I possibly could. Simply replace the words "Fair/Unfair" with "Not cheep/Cheep."
Basically as long as you are playing by the rules (AKA The game's code) then almost nothing is cheep. However if not all players have the option to either chose those characters or exploit the same tactic then it is cheep.
People are always quick to say that Sagat and Seth (huh?) are cheep, but the people picking them aren't cheep, if you have got something against it, why don't you just pick those characters? Nobody is stopping you, and you have had the option since paying for the game.
Basically as long as you are playing by the rules (AKA The game's code) then almost nothing is cheep. However if not all players have the option to either chose those characters or exploit the same tactic then it is cheep.
People are always quick to say that Sagat and Seth (huh?) are cheep, but the people picking them aren't cheep, if you have got something against it, why don't you just pick those characters? Nobody is stopping you, and you have had the option since paying for the game.
I would define cheap as:
cheap - adj:
1) Using a strategy/item that has no known countermeasure
2) Exploitation of errors, bugs, or outright cheating
cheap - adj:
1) Using a strategy/item that has no known countermeasure
2) Exploitation of errors, bugs, or outright cheating
Were it not for the bling perk I'd almost never use the launcher. As it stands, I use the launcher until I unlock the shotgun, then red dot/silencer. Then it's just the red dot until I unlock FMJ.Crystal Cuckoo said:
just anything that makes the game un-even. Like. Eddie/Christy from Tekken.
too easy to pwn with them.
In like, an FPS it doesn't matter, everyone has the same chance as everyone else but in fighting games characters like that piss me off and there's ALWAYS one!
The annoying thing about Tekken is the best character is Yoshimitsu but he's impossible to know how to use.
too easy to pwn with them.
In like, an FPS it doesn't matter, everyone has the same chance as everyone else but in fighting games characters like that piss me off and there's ALWAYS one!
The annoying thing about Tekken is the best character is Yoshimitsu but he's impossible to know how to use.
I think cheap is best defined as "A strategy that will garantee a quick and decisive victory while giving your opponent no chance of success, no matter what his/her level of skill is."
When I first read the subject line of this thread I thought you were going to be talking about cheap games
When I first read the subject line of this thread I thought you were going to be talking about cheap games
This has to be one of the best answers I've seen for this question... though I will argue the frag grenade because there are ways to get around that. If you can see them, you can shoot them to detonate them, or throw a grenade / smoke of your own to set it off.hypothetical fact said:
in response to hypothetical fact: I think in most shooters, shooting other people is considered cheap. I mean, how else are you going to kill them? Knifing is moot. Grenades are slow. It can't be defended against.
I make a personal note of exploiting mechanisms considered "Cheap" as much as possible until a game is patched, or a later revision of the game addresses the issue. I don't think it should fall upon the community to redesign a game. The fact that people so often must attempt to means developers are not balancing the game well enough.
I make a personal note of exploiting mechanisms considered "Cheap" as much as possible until a game is patched, or a later revision of the game addresses the issue. I don't think it should fall upon the community to redesign a game. The fact that people so often must attempt to means developers are not balancing the game well enough.
I only consider bug abusing being cheap, the rest is all fair to me. A grenade launcher in MW/MW2 is counterable. Yes dual Rangers/Model 1887's annoy me, but they're easy to pick of at a distance, and a claymore kills them with ease too, seeing as they rush blindly at you without checking corners, easy kaBOOM.
Most recent example: the hide-under-a-certain-rock bug on the map Afghan in MW2. I don't know how, but there is a rock you can basically get inside of, and just pick of everyone who walks by without getting shot. I hope they fix that soon.
Most recent example: the hide-under-a-certain-rock bug on the map Afghan in MW2. I don't know how, but there is a rock you can basically get inside of, and just pick of everyone who walks by without getting shot. I hope they fix that soon.
Anything you consistently repeat in order to give your opponent no means of counterattack.
Basically, if no matter what your opponent does, it won't matter much, no matter how skilled they are, you are being cheap.
Also, spamming attacks gets REALLY F--KING ANNOYING
Basically, if no matter what your opponent does, it won't matter much, no matter how skilled they are, you are being cheap.
Also, spamming attacks gets REALLY F--KING ANNOYING
How is turtling cheap? I'm not likening it to camping, which is cheap mostly, but come on! Turtling I am assuming, you are meaning the act of walling yourself up/defending until you have built a big enough army to go fight the enemy? Because that is kind of necessary in most RTSs. Age of Empires/Mythology gameplay revolves entirely around turtling. So too can Red Alert/C&C, although speed rushing can be a winner in those games.MetallicaRulez0 said:
Seriously, turtling the way I define it is hardly cowardly, it's just the bet way to win.
Although on your other points I have complete agreement.
If you win by playing the game differently than it was intended, that is cheap. That applies to glitching/hacking/cheating.
If you play with an overpowered weapon, or if you use a weapon in an overpowered way. This applies to the M16, 1887 Shotguns etc in CoD and to quickscoping/noscoping in all games ever that aren't luckily defending yourself or a close range sniper in TF2.
Playing with tactics that are useless but for getting yourself kills, and playing with tactics that give you an unfair advantage, like camping and getting on top of structures/cover that you shouldn't be able to gt onto.
That covers most stuff.