Well I only played the first game, but I dislike it because I found it boring and just couldn't get into it. Also the erotic collectible card game was kind of a turn off for me.
What do you have against The Witcher series?
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Not enough cocks.
Coming from a straight male here but seriously there's (compared to most games) a lot of observation of the female human body but not a single penis. Like, Geralt and Triss wake up, Triss is all naked and sprawling about but Geralt has his trousers on. C'mon guys, if you're gonna go for the realism thing at least have someone whip it out occasionally.
Coming from a straight male here but seriously there's (compared to most games) a lot of observation of the female human body but not a single penis. Like, Geralt and Triss wake up, Triss is all naked and sprawling about but Geralt has his trousers on. C'mon guys, if you're gonna go for the realism thing at least have someone whip it out occasionally.
I don't think I've ever seen lips either.hazabaza1 said:
Nothing. I really enjoyed the series. The first one was...different, but I enjoyed my time with it, and even plan to replay it once I finish reading the books. Love the atmosphere, Geralt's voice actor, and the graphics on the second one are superb. Combat is great, though things like alternate weapons and potions became kinda useless later on in 2.
My criticisms would be, the world should be more open. Withcer 2, though superb, kinda felt railroady, which kinda doesn't make sense with those kinda games. Luckily, Witcher 3 is fixing that. Building a new PC just for that.
Yeah, the village town and swamp sections of W1 are a massive pain. I would pick up all of the fetch quests, talk to everyone, and then head to the big bland outdoors, turn on a podcast, and wade through baddies until I could turn them all in. The monotony was a little more bearable, but still annoying. It doesn't help that the prologue section is really weak overall (the swamp is semi redeemable by virtue of having a lot of little interactions and different people to meet in there), and is 5-6 hours of disjointed padding to get you inside the city.Weaver said:
Despite those zones, I still loved the Witcher 1. I thought the writing was compelling enough (I found the explanation of second-class dwarves and elves much more believable and better handled than DA), and the story quests were fun. The main thread jumbled itself up a few times, but the characters were interesting enough more for me to finish it happily. I also liked how going neutral was a difficult, but possible course, rather than the standard Good v. Evil scale. Some of the branching quests and willingness to let the player just mess around reminded me of older top-down RPGs, specifically Shani's investigation in Chapter 2. Also, the ending chapter and sequence were enjoyable enough, and felt like a good payoff. While you still slogged through level 2 drowners, killing a dozen of them in one blow was really satisfying, and made me feel like a badass monster slayer.
Sadly, haven't gotten too far into Witcher 2, but hoping to change that later this month.
Funnily enough, you can customize your character in COD:AW, but limited to preset face and randomized equipment that you get fromsonofliber said:
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Dismissing the argument of some people wanting character creation isn't fair. True, the game never claims to have character creation, but the thread was created as "What do you have against The Witcher." Some people really like narrative driven fantasy RPGs, picked up the Witcher, and realized that they can't get behind the foreign entity they're controlling. That's okay. Geralt isn't exactly a great guy from the start, and you have to put a lot of effort turning him into a more upstanding person if that's what you want (And you still have to use Geralt's voice and Geralt's[/s] face).
The back of the box only mentions a 40+ long game, chaos gripping the land, and assassinations. The closest it gets to mentioning a dark, medieval story is the "narrative for mature players" line. At least WH40K starts with "In the grim darkness of the 41st millenium..." line.
The sexist argument I still get annoyed by (it is the medieval ages after all, and the game quickly sets you in a "realistic" fantasy similar to Westros in the first hour), but that type of dialogue and underlying tension can really turn people off of a game.
Don't get me wrong, I love my time in the games, but people might have picked it up expecting a certain fantasy experience. And it's not that type of game, but that doesn't mean its a good one for them. And the thread was written with the intent of bringing out why people dislike the series.
TL;DR - Different people dislike different things.
[quote="SajuukKhar" post="9.866889.21678207" Witcher 1 also had abysmal..... well..... pretty much everything mechanics wise, especially the combat, the combat was terrible. Witcher 2 was miles better, but it still felt really clunky.
eyond that, I found the world to be pretty generic and uninteresting overall. there was no part of the lore that really made me go "wow, this is something I've only ever seen here and is a defining characteristic of this series".
Witcher was just boring all around.[/quote]
I myself personally agree with OP, I only played Witcher 1 before laughing at its mechanics and going over to 2. Maybe I'll watch the cutscenes one day to get an idea of the game's storyline.
Now, as for what I've quoted, I agree with the first point. Witcher 2's difficulty was excessive, and I find it mostly had to do with the obtuseness of certain side missions - particularly the hunting ones. I think I spent three or four hours trying to find all the nekker nests before saying, "Fuck it," and moving on. But the difficulty was compounded not by the poorness of the mechanics - which I myself loved in their entirety - but by the bloody controls! They were great but using a controller is suicide. I played the PC version and the Xbox version, using a controller in each for sake of familiarity, but I found myself constantly getting slaughtered because I couldn't turn or move quickly enough to keep myself alive. With KB&M, all that faded away, and combat went from being a frustrating slog to a Souls-esque learning experience which I quite enjoyed, even if I never fully got the hang of it.
As for the lore, this is where I start to disagree. I felt Witcher did a great job of establishing lore but unfortunately was too rapt in gameplay to really get into it. What I did get into was really interesting to me, and perhaps it was generic, but its execution was masterful IMO and that's where the world's originality came from.
Edit: Now that I think about it, I feel like the potion system was original and well-woven into the world through its very unique lore. Witchers themselves, yeah, quite generic - I remember constantly thinking of Grey Wardens - but here, execution is masterful as well.
eyond that, I found the world to be pretty generic and uninteresting overall. there was no part of the lore that really made me go "wow, this is something I've only ever seen here and is a defining characteristic of this series".
Witcher was just boring all around.[/quote]
I myself personally agree with OP, I only played Witcher 1 before laughing at its mechanics and going over to 2. Maybe I'll watch the cutscenes one day to get an idea of the game's storyline.
Now, as for what I've quoted, I agree with the first point. Witcher 2's difficulty was excessive, and I find it mostly had to do with the obtuseness of certain side missions - particularly the hunting ones. I think I spent three or four hours trying to find all the nekker nests before saying, "Fuck it," and moving on. But the difficulty was compounded not by the poorness of the mechanics - which I myself loved in their entirety - but by the bloody controls! They were great but using a controller is suicide. I played the PC version and the Xbox version, using a controller in each for sake of familiarity, but I found myself constantly getting slaughtered because I couldn't turn or move quickly enough to keep myself alive. With KB&M, all that faded away, and combat went from being a frustrating slog to a Souls-esque learning experience which I quite enjoyed, even if I never fully got the hang of it.
As for the lore, this is where I start to disagree. I felt Witcher did a great job of establishing lore but unfortunately was too rapt in gameplay to really get into it. What I did get into was really interesting to me, and perhaps it was generic, but its execution was masterful IMO and that's where the world's originality came from.
Edit: Now that I think about it, I feel like the potion system was original and well-woven into the world through its very unique lore. Witchers themselves, yeah, quite generic - I remember constantly thinking of Grey Wardens - but here, execution is masterful as well.
Witcher franchise is one of my favorite RPG's of all time to be perfectly honest.
I played both games at least 5 times because I wanted to see where the different decisions will take me. I liked the choice & consequence system a lot and especially the morality in the game is never black and white but gray and you have to choose between the lesser evil or greater evil in some cases..neither with a good outcome.
I enjoyed the combat in Witcher 1 (shocker I know), because if you people actually payed attention to the dialogue (especially the one where Eskel or Lambert talks about the three stances) you would of known that Witcher's fighting style are quite unique and it takes a certain rhythm and flow with the pirouettes dodges and parries..hence why the combat is similar to a rhythm game. Witcher 2 changed that and myself am not actually relieved they did that..it was an unique combat style..W2 combat turned into a "roll and hit" tactic on higher difficulties.
I've also started reading all the Witcher books and I find the world and backstory of all these characters very fascinating and I would recommend reading them all (there are fan translated ones to the other 5 novels that haven't been licensed yet).
I find refreshing to see that they (CDPR) are the only ones who have managed to create a mature world like it used to be in the past where racism, sleeping with wenches, swearing and being religious to the point of fanaticism all hit home.
I'm sick and tired of this prudish developers (mostly from US) being afraid of showing off nudity in general...it's unbecoming how the ratio of violence vs nudity is so high on the former but God forbid the internet might implode because a naked breast is shown.
If I get gore in my mature game nudity shouldn't be censored or fade to black in sex scenes..simple as that.
I played both games at least 5 times because I wanted to see where the different decisions will take me. I liked the choice & consequence system a lot and especially the morality in the game is never black and white but gray and you have to choose between the lesser evil or greater evil in some cases..neither with a good outcome.
I enjoyed the combat in Witcher 1 (shocker I know), because if you people actually payed attention to the dialogue (especially the one where Eskel or Lambert talks about the three stances) you would of known that Witcher's fighting style are quite unique and it takes a certain rhythm and flow with the pirouettes dodges and parries..hence why the combat is similar to a rhythm game. Witcher 2 changed that and myself am not actually relieved they did that..it was an unique combat style..W2 combat turned into a "roll and hit" tactic on higher difficulties.
I've also started reading all the Witcher books and I find the world and backstory of all these characters very fascinating and I would recommend reading them all (there are fan translated ones to the other 5 novels that haven't been licensed yet).
I find refreshing to see that they (CDPR) are the only ones who have managed to create a mature world like it used to be in the past where racism, sleeping with wenches, swearing and being religious to the point of fanaticism all hit home.
I'm sick and tired of this prudish developers (mostly from US) being afraid of showing off nudity in general...it's unbecoming how the ratio of violence vs nudity is so high on the former but God forbid the internet might implode because a naked breast is shown.
If I get gore in my mature game nudity shouldn't be censored or fade to black in sex scenes..simple as that.
The item grinding for the ulti-gear in Witcher 2 was annoying. Also I felt that the cutscene ulti-skills were bugged. I kept getting the Wrong cutscene for some of them.
I dislike that I suck at the combat. I put the game away after the first fight with the kingslayer dude.
My gripes with the first is how little it fits with the books. The whole story feels like some bad fanfiction with the most random characters quoting some of the more memorible quips at the oddest times with none of the context. That bothered me. I disliked the way that certain characters who were dead got dropped into the story. The whole thing was a bloody fanfic!!!!
That said it did have its moments that I very much enjoyed. I liked the politics and the times where the choices you made would change the game. I am 3 hours into the second and it seems to have mostly fixed the contridictory lore. Most of it.
On a side note OMG CIRI IN THE WITCHER 3!!!!!!!! I have been saying that since she was shown in that trailer
EDIT: I find the claims of sexism amusing when a few particular scenes in Time of Contempt and one particular scene in Baptism of Fire exist
That said it did have its moments that I very much enjoyed. I liked the politics and the times where the choices you made would change the game. I am 3 hours into the second and it seems to have mostly fixed the contridictory lore. Most of it.
On a side note OMG CIRI IN THE WITCHER 3!!!!!!!! I have been saying that since she was shown in that trailer
EDIT: I find the claims of sexism amusing when a few particular scenes in Time of Contempt and one particular scene in Baptism of Fire exist
Ciri has just been confirmed as a playable character in TW3 which is awesomeAlex Baas said:
I'd love to read the books but only a few of them have been translated to English haven't they?
Only 4 have so far and this is criminal. The books are great and everyone who complains about some of the issues within the Witcher like the combat and potions identify themselves as have not read the booksendtherapture said:Ciri has just been confirmed as a playable character in TW3 which is awesomeAlex Baas said:
I'd love to read the books but only a few of them have been translated to English haven't they?
I don't have anything against The Witcher as a series. Well, there are a few things. It takes the whole male power fantasy thing to unbelievably juvenile levels, the writing completely lacks any subtlety in trying to deliver a message, and the combat in both games is mind-numbingly boring. Still, when it comes to specific complaints, what I have against The Witcher was probably fixed in The Witcher 2, and what I have against The Witcher 2 was just them messing up something that was done right in The Witcher.
To me, The Witcher (at least the Enhanced Edition) was actually a very engaging game. Yeah, the combat was boring once you realized the few potions that you needed to power through even the toughest of battles, but the game never seemed focused on combat and at least gave the sense of being a Witcher. I guess Chapter 2 was also a slog if you didn't allocate your traveling between Vizima and the swamp properly, but but it wasn't that bad. Overall, it had some interesting characters, a compelling (albeit preachy) story, and a fantastic world. It also had a charm that few dark fantasy games have.
The Witcher 2, though, was just...yeah. Personally, I'm baffled at how it managed to receive any critical success. I guess the lack of a "save the world" story was nice, but the writing and pacing around it was unbelievably horrible. The combat system looked better on paper, but it managed to be even more monotonous than the original game, and that takes a lot of boneheaded decisions to accomplish. The world wasn't that interesting both from a writing standpoint (which I've already mentioned) and from a design standpoint. It just always felt way too restrictive. The art style didn't really appeal to me, but that's sort of subjective. The graphics, to me at least, also felt off, like they were designed to draw attention to every little mistake in the textures and animations. I guess the voice acting improved (not that that was a hard to do), and there were still a couple interesting characters (i.e. Roche and Iorveth). Still, the game was just an absolute slog that I couldn't wait to put behind me so I could just wait for the sequel, which now I'm very unsure of because of how much I disliked The Witcher 2. All I can say is if there is a stealth section in the tutorial of The Witcher 3, I'm putting it down and never looking back. And to make matters worse, I haven't even begun to describe all the little details that made The Witcher 2 even more unbearable, but I could spend hours listing them all so I won't bother.
Overall, I don't mind The Witcher series. There are still some interesting plot threads that I'm looking forward to seeing resolved in The Witcher 3. I may even go back and play the original game on occasion, as I find it to be one of the most compelling fantasy RPGs I've ever played. But I think that the second game was awful, and I'm not sure if that's because CD Projekt didn't know where to go with the series or if they are just that bad (though it at least sounds like they've learned from their mistakes in that game). They clearly have passion for their work, but that doesn't always translate to a good result.
To me, The Witcher (at least the Enhanced Edition) was actually a very engaging game. Yeah, the combat was boring once you realized the few potions that you needed to power through even the toughest of battles, but the game never seemed focused on combat and at least gave the sense of being a Witcher. I guess Chapter 2 was also a slog if you didn't allocate your traveling between Vizima and the swamp properly, but but it wasn't that bad. Overall, it had some interesting characters, a compelling (albeit preachy) story, and a fantastic world. It also had a charm that few dark fantasy games have.
The Witcher 2, though, was just...yeah. Personally, I'm baffled at how it managed to receive any critical success. I guess the lack of a "save the world" story was nice, but the writing and pacing around it was unbelievably horrible. The combat system looked better on paper, but it managed to be even more monotonous than the original game, and that takes a lot of boneheaded decisions to accomplish. The world wasn't that interesting both from a writing standpoint (which I've already mentioned) and from a design standpoint. It just always felt way too restrictive. The art style didn't really appeal to me, but that's sort of subjective. The graphics, to me at least, also felt off, like they were designed to draw attention to every little mistake in the textures and animations. I guess the voice acting improved (not that that was a hard to do), and there were still a couple interesting characters (i.e. Roche and Iorveth). Still, the game was just an absolute slog that I couldn't wait to put behind me so I could just wait for the sequel, which now I'm very unsure of because of how much I disliked The Witcher 2. All I can say is if there is a stealth section in the tutorial of The Witcher 3, I'm putting it down and never looking back. And to make matters worse, I haven't even begun to describe all the little details that made The Witcher 2 even more unbearable, but I could spend hours listing them all so I won't bother.
Overall, I don't mind The Witcher series. There are still some interesting plot threads that I'm looking forward to seeing resolved in The Witcher 3. I may even go back and play the original game on occasion, as I find it to be one of the most compelling fantasy RPGs I've ever played. But I think that the second game was awful, and I'm not sure if that's because CD Projekt didn't know where to go with the series or if they are just that bad (though it at least sounds like they've learned from their mistakes in that game). They clearly have passion for their work, but that doesn't always translate to a good result.
For me the first game really killed it for me. It wasnt a serious grimdark fantasy RPG that I was promised. It was a juvinile, borderline sexist, and monotonous game that I really didnt like. In fact I didnt like it so much that I didnt buy witcher 2 and have no plans to buy witcher 3. The same thing for Half life 2, the first one was just not very good IMO and its killed any interest I had in half life 2 and the future half lives that will only come out on some major celestial event.
Well, the tedious combat in the first one, click click click click click click and perhaps click
Also, that they got rid of the nice looking menus in the first one and replaced them with boring excessively minimalistic UI
The story is a bit uninteresting and limp in the second one, no one seemed particularly interesting except perhaps saskia or iorveth
Also the fncking 10 second town background noise loop
AND ROLLING, SO MUCH ROLLING
Also, that they got rid of the nice looking menus in the first one and replaced them with boring excessively minimalistic UI
The story is a bit uninteresting and limp in the second one, no one seemed particularly interesting except perhaps saskia or iorveth
Also the fncking 10 second town background noise loop
AND ROLLING, SO MUCH ROLLING
Honestly this is the thread I've been waiting for, because I have wanted to get this off my chest for a while.
The Witcher 1 was a pretty bad game, The Witcher 2 was Mediocre with some good features. SO WHY THE BLOODY HELL IS EVERYONE HYPED FOR THE WITCHER 3? I see it winning tons of most anticipated game awards(which is a rant for another time), getting praised universally across the board by people who haven't played it and the trailers of the game are getting millions upon millions of views.
Now I'm sure some people liked the Witcher 2 a lot more than me, however you can't say it was the second coming of christ and you can't reasonably get this hyped for a game when there is nothing to back that hype up.
Anyway I don't hate the Witcher series, I put a lot of time into Witcher 2 and I'd give it a 6 or 7/10 since I had a decent amount of fun with it. However there's just nothing to backup the suggestion that the Witcher 3 will be anything other than another fairly well made and fun action RPG.
The Witcher 1 was a pretty bad game, The Witcher 2 was Mediocre with some good features. SO WHY THE BLOODY HELL IS EVERYONE HYPED FOR THE WITCHER 3? I see it winning tons of most anticipated game awards(which is a rant for another time), getting praised universally across the board by people who haven't played it and the trailers of the game are getting millions upon millions of views.
Now I'm sure some people liked the Witcher 2 a lot more than me, however you can't say it was the second coming of christ and you can't reasonably get this hyped for a game when there is nothing to back that hype up.
Anyway I don't hate the Witcher series, I put a lot of time into Witcher 2 and I'd give it a 6 or 7/10 since I had a decent amount of fun with it. However there's just nothing to backup the suggestion that the Witcher 3 will be anything other than another fairly well made and fun action RPG.
Because it looks promising and unlike you some people really liked Witcher 2 and so have high hopes for 3?Edl01 said:
This ain't rocket science.
Also it looks real purdy. Mmm, dem pixels!
Keep in mind I never played the first game so...
The Witcher 2 was about as average as the word average.
There's nothing really wrong with the game play or story, it's just there's nothing there to keep me personally interested. Sure it's nice not to have every step of a mission pointed out to me, but sometimes I like not having to consult a wiki to understand what the fuck I have to do next. Also, forced stealth missions and missions requiring you to either a) know backstory. or b) give you vague and undefined directions/instructions are just kinda frustrating. And while this may be a small annoyance, the game does not strictly follow Polish folklore, and it's extremely jarring when mythological creatures from another people show up in the game, though this criticism is probably more against my mates who threw me onto Witcher 2 than the game itself...
Look, the game is not bad, it is actually quite solid, but it's very much a you'll love it or hate it type of experience.
The Witcher 2 was about as average as the word average.
There's nothing really wrong with the game play or story, it's just there's nothing there to keep me personally interested. Sure it's nice not to have every step of a mission pointed out to me, but sometimes I like not having to consult a wiki to understand what the fuck I have to do next. Also, forced stealth missions and missions requiring you to either a) know backstory. or b) give you vague and undefined directions/instructions are just kinda frustrating. And while this may be a small annoyance, the game does not strictly follow Polish folklore, and it's extremely jarring when mythological creatures from another people show up in the game, though this criticism is probably more against my mates who threw me onto Witcher 2 than the game itself...
Look, the game is not bad, it is actually quite solid, but it's very much a you'll love it or hate it type of experience.
Love the series so far, I think TW2 was a tad hard to get into because of all the lore-specific dialogue & history, and I think the TW1 gets very dull in parts, but they're minor grumbles for what's otherwise THE RPG franchize of the past few years for me.
The Witcher 2 is simply stunning, and I hope we see a return to branching story arcs again at some point. The replayability of the game is jaw-droppingly superb, with each playthrough better than the last so far for me (just finished my 5th)
The Witcher 2 is simply stunning, and I hope we see a return to branching story arcs again at some point. The replayability of the game is jaw-droppingly superb, with each playthrough better than the last so far for me (just finished my 5th)