BreakfastMan said:
This idea has been thrown around a lot in a number of threads here, and seriously, I don't get it. I don't get why a person who accepts that all people are equal also has to accept those who think that black people are sub-human. And why should I? Why should I accept the neo-nazis, the klansmen, and the westboro baptist churches of the world? Should I not call out their vile shit as vile shit, and let them know that they are wrong for holding such views? I mean, not all views are created equal. Some of them are awful, and need to be addressed.
Because if you think that a neo-nazi is bellow you then you clearly dont consider all people equal - your excluding neo-nazies.
On the other hand you can be tolerant and dont think all people are equal. you for example can think that person X is stupider than you and still dont go on a rampage against him.
There are no "Wrong" views. they are all different views and people are allwoed to have them. What people are not allwoed to do is to harm others, which sometimes thier views lead to (for example KKK). As long as they realized that they should not at any case harm others they can think whatever they want.
MrFalconfly said:
I mean we don't see a law that forbids hate-speech as an opening for completely abolishing free speech (I mean what kind of looney lawyer would even try to do that).
Its not like Europe lack examples....
Palademon said:
E.g. "You can't deal with my disagreement about the gays"
How tolerant of me to entertain your idea that an entire group of people should not be tolerated or treated equally.
"I deal with your disagreement about the gays and you have to deal with my criticism of your standpoint" is how i always respond to these people.
Palademon said:
In your opinion. My opinion is also that bigotry is wrong, but its very easy to play devils advocate with statements like these.
dylanmc12 said:
I understand everyone's got their own opinions.
Then again, some are just wrong. The opinions that 2 isn't actually a number and instead a space alien is wrong, because humans made 2 and the space aliens actually made us (and "this" world and all of you are actually just figments of feverish imagination because I'm in a coma in the "real" world and thus I'm technically God and can conjure Dr. Pepper whenever I want, with only the foreskins of babies that I found in the street. I'm still working on it, though.. which also means I created mathematics.. but I can hardly do basic arithmatic.. but I'm a genius for making it!).
You do realized that we created the symbol "2". We could have been wrong while doing it and in fact back then we were. for many hundreds of years we did not have negative numbers and in fact it was though that any operation that would result in negative nubmers was wrong and in error. Later somone invented negative numbers, and suddenly all of those "wrongs" turned to "Rights".
There are no "Wrong" opinions. there are different opinions, and when that opinion falls into "i dont like" category for great many of people, they tend to automatically dismiss it as wrong. it would be quite hard to live without such assumptions.
Combustion Kevin said:
only a sith beliefs in absolutes, my friend.
this is a paradox, becuase the statement itself is an aboslute.