I would agree with this. Music makes you feel something. If an artist is good and/or lucky, it'll be what they want you to feel. That's not always the case, though.TheRealJLars said:
What exactly makes music music?
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I define music as sound intended to be listened to as entertainment, whose chief attraction as such is the expression of some or all of the Elements of Music: melody, harmony, rhythm, dynamics, tempo, timbre, and form. This means that I definitely consider dubstep to be music, albeit a relatively simple genre (not nearly as simple as "pop", though), since its emphasis is on timbre and, to a lesser extent, harmony. I couldn't care less for it myself, but whatever floats your boat.
On the opposite end of the spectrum, you've got stuff like progressive rock, in which any given piece will probably end up emphasizing at least 5 of the Elements of Music by the time it's (finally) over.
It also means that I think rap, as distinguished from hip-hop (I'll explain after), is not music, because (unless I've been misinformed) the chief attraction is the lyrics, a non-musical element of the piece (hip-hop, to me, is the result of injecting a significant amount of melody or something else musical into rap). And yes, the drums are prominent, but that doesn't mean that they're the reason you listen to it. I'm NOT saying that rap isn't art, just that it's been mis-classified. It bears more of a resemblance to poetry. Actually, scratch that. It bears more of a resemblance to Shakespeare. And I just realized how absurdly ironic that is.
On the opposite end of the spectrum, you've got stuff like progressive rock, in which any given piece will probably end up emphasizing at least 5 of the Elements of Music by the time it's (finally) over.
Generically saying what music is and isn't is all bassed off opinion (ie, dubstep isn't music because I don't like it, or country is real music because I like it, etc.)
The best definition is this: Music is the manipulation of sound.
I say this because there was a composer named John Cage who "wrote" a piece called 4'33". It's more of a theoretical piece, but basically it's 4 mintues and 33 seconds of silence. It's meant for listiners to think of background sound as music.
The best definition is this: Music is the manipulation of sound.
I say this because there was a composer named John Cage who "wrote" a piece called 4'33". It's more of a theoretical piece, but basically it's 4 mintues and 33 seconds of silence. It's meant for listiners to think of background sound as music.
Pheh, this question is like trying to define art.
It's way too subjective, way too broad. Of course there will always be people who's opinions of it are somehow of higher value to the general populace, but that doesn't really matter.
No matter how much I think dubstep just sounds like so much noise, I can never convince its fans otherwise.
No matter how much I think Pollock's work looks like it was stolen from a kindergarten for hyperactive children, I can never convince most classical art critics that the stuff is the work of a genius.
It's way too subjective, way too broad. Of course there will always be people who's opinions of it are somehow of higher value to the general populace, but that doesn't really matter.
No matter how much I think dubstep just sounds like so much noise, I can never convince its fans otherwise.
No matter how much I think Pollock's work looks like it was stolen from a kindergarten for hyperactive children, I can never convince most classical art critics that the stuff is the work of a genius.
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As has been said plenty of times before, dubstep is indeed music.
In fact, there are really good dubstep artists out there.
Burial [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IlEkvbRmfrA], Four Tet [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tpe4id7cLnU], Gold Panda [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Su1wK7iCQfQ&feature=related], Phaeleh [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6sYEF5X9xL4] and Pretty Lights [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b6T5depSysg] are all highly talented dubstep/house or... whatever you want to call it DJs.
It's too subjective though to say one random collage of sounds is music while others isn't.
If someone finds enjoyment out of it, it's music. I have no problem with it, really.
I personally can't stand this new trend of "brostep" as it just sounds obnoxious to me and kinda nerve wracking.
To me, it just sounds like someone took the sounds from the Transformers movies and edited them to a generic electro synth piano introduction, but that's just me.
Some of the more melodic variations I can tolerate, but to me, it's just jarring noise.
But my own opinion doesn't really matter.
If you like it, who cares what anyone else thinks?
I know my opinions on Japanese pop and symphonic death metal aren't the most popular but I don't care.
Disregarding opinions though, I will say this.
Who in the fuck could possibly enjoy listening to this band?
I've heard of them nonstop for the last month and I just... do not get it. At all.
In fact, there are really good dubstep artists out there.
Burial [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IlEkvbRmfrA], Four Tet [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tpe4id7cLnU], Gold Panda [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Su1wK7iCQfQ&feature=related], Phaeleh [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6sYEF5X9xL4] and Pretty Lights [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b6T5depSysg] are all highly talented dubstep/house or... whatever you want to call it DJs.
It's too subjective though to say one random collage of sounds is music while others isn't.
If someone finds enjoyment out of it, it's music. I have no problem with it, really.
I personally can't stand this new trend of "brostep" as it just sounds obnoxious to me and kinda nerve wracking.
To me, it just sounds like someone took the sounds from the Transformers movies and edited them to a generic electro synth piano introduction, but that's just me.
Some of the more melodic variations I can tolerate, but to me, it's just jarring noise.
But my own opinion doesn't really matter.
If you like it, who cares what anyone else thinks?
I know my opinions on Japanese pop and symphonic death metal aren't the most popular but I don't care.
Disregarding opinions though, I will say this.
Who in the fuck could possibly enjoy listening to this band?
I've heard of them nonstop for the last month and I just... do not get it. At all.
Not much for me to do here. Most people get that it only takes something to be arranged with pitch, tones, and melody to be music. For a prime example, obsurve the first minute of this video.
Todd takes some music(horrible music IMO, but still music) and plays it on a traditional instrument. That way, you know making that took some organization. You can do the same thing with any dubstep track.
It doesnt matter if its being done with Live 8 or a guitar, its music all the same.
If the sound of dubstep is unpleasant to you, thats just your personal preference. But you cant denie its music.
Todd takes some music(horrible music IMO, but still music) and plays it on a traditional instrument. That way, you know making that took some organization. You can do the same thing with any dubstep track.
It doesnt matter if its being done with Live 8 or a guitar, its music all the same.
If the sound of dubstep is unpleasant to you, thats just your personal preference. But you cant denie its music.
Y'know, I have the same attitude about all these kinds of things...art definitions. I would grudgingly say that music is organised sound designed to induce a feeling or atmosphere, although on an admittedly biased and personal level I don't call some music 'music' in the same way I don't call all modern art 'art'. Music I like doesn't come from all one genre, although there are some with higher concentrations of music I like than others, I often like individual pieces instead.
But to get to the question that is the issue at the centre of this thread: yes of course dubstep is music. If modern composers can base music off maths, which for me induces nothing but cringing and falls far short of appreciation at the clashing tremolos, and I have to consider that music, dubstep is music.
But to get to the question that is the issue at the centre of this thread: yes of course dubstep is music. If modern composers can base music off maths, which for me induces nothing but cringing and falls far short of appreciation at the clashing tremolos, and I have to consider that music, dubstep is music.
Rap goes under rhythm alone, akin to african drumming. Would you say african drumming isn't music?Aiedail256 said:
Also, everyone has different reasons for listening to a certain piece of music. My brother really does not care too much about the lyrics of the song. He does however like the beats within the song. For example, the riffs created within the song, the chopping up of mowtown tracks etc.. It doesn't have to be the intended reason, but I don't think that matters really.
Finally, the thing that distinguishes rap from something like "free form poetry" is that rap has a heavy emphasis on rhythm in the vocals. It doesn't matter how fast, slow, accurate or inaccurate the rhythm is, you cannot deny it being there.
If poetry has a form of rhythm to it, I count it as music. It's basically a song, I really don't see a difference except there may not be a melody.
I agree with you 100%. When I first listened to it, I called it simultaneously the most awesome and terrifying thing I've ever heard. And then I proceeded to give myself a migraine listening to the rest of the album.garjian said:
I'm not a huge fan of the "listen to it properly" argument simply because people have different ways that they perceive and listen to music and frankly, some very good music is very difficult to listen to. Sometimes it just takes multiple listens, but people don't always have the patience to do that.
"Good" music is entirely subjective, there are tons of good dubstep tracks, as there are good songs for every genre. Also a lot of people confuse dubstep and electronic music in general. But just saying something is not music because you don't like it makes you look like an idiot.TestECull said:
If you go back far enough in time you can guess that people from the past would certainly not consider some of the sounds we make now as music. Yet to us they awe fantastic "Music". So maybe its really just about where our minds are, what our culture gives us to respond to. Meanwhile Oliver Sack wrote a book called Musicophilia digs deep into ideas about this. http://musicophilia.com/