What happened to the religion & politics forum?

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IceForce said:
Back in the GID days, both parties were unhappy in a similar fashion. Those who weren't interested in the topic had already left (having it constantly on the website front page widget didn't help matters), and those who wanted to discuss the topic and keep it prominent/relevant also weren't happy because they complained about being segregated and quarantined.

I suppose this whole saga is a lesson in the pitfalls of staying 'neutral' on matters. Because in trying to stay neutral, you often end up pissing off both sides, and nobody is happy.
This is pretty much it. This site is called the Escapist, and was a place to come to escape from the nonsense of the outside world, where geeks and gamers could come to discuss games, get news, gossip and reviews and indulge their love for geek culture and the things that go with that. R&P was so far removed that and it turned this place into a hate-filled, unwelcoming place where only one outlook is tolerated.

I was all for closing that forsaken place, but to then continue allowing Politics in Off-Topic of all places strikes me as so absurd I can scarcely believe it. I wanted to see this site return to being a place for escapism and community, but it's been taken over by the worst politics and now it's in the main forums, not even out-of-sight. Maybe the powers that be are deliberately trying to drive people away, since I honestly can't think of another logical explanation.

Politics should either have its own subforum with little or no mod oversight so that people with contrary opinions don't constantly fall afoul of the perpetually-offended, or stopped entirely (insofar as it doesn't relate directly to gaming or geekdom).
 

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KingsGambit said:
R&P was so far removed that and it turned this place into a hate-filled, unwelcoming place where only one outlook is tolerated.
Oh please. No-one ever had to enter the R&P forum, read R&P threads, or post in any of them. And many of them didn't. A discrete section used by a modest proportion of the whole user base simply doesn't have the power to turn a whole site into a disaster area. Anyone who whips themselves into a frothing rage voluntarily reading and responding to stuff that annoys them needs to take a long, hard look in the mirror.
 

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Another really annoying thing about it is that a lot of us can't even join in half the political discussions on here with any authority anyway if we wanted to because 90% of it is about USA politics. It's just clogging up off topic with stuff that users from other countries are only half interested, even if they follow politics.
 

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dscross said:
Another really annoying thing about it is that a lot of us can't even join in half the political discussions on here with any authority anyway if we wanted to because 90% of it is about USA politics. It's just clogging up off topic with stuff that users from other countries are only half interested, even if they follow politics.
Oh please. I can weigh in on US politics with 100% authority. And I say that with 10% authority that the prior statement is true.
 

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KingsGambit said:
IceForce said:
Back in the GID days, both parties were unhappy in a similar fashion. Those who weren't interested in the topic had already left (having it constantly on the website front page widget didn't help matters), and those who wanted to discuss the topic and keep it prominent/relevant also weren't happy because they complained about being segregated and quarantined.

I suppose this whole saga is a lesson in the pitfalls of staying 'neutral' on matters. Because in trying to stay neutral, you often end up pissing off both sides, and nobody is happy.
This is pretty much it. This site is called the Escapist, and was a place to come to escape from the nonsense of the outside world, where geeks and gamers could come to discuss games, get news, gossip and reviews and indulge their love for geek culture and the things that go with that. R&P was so far removed that and it turned this place into a hate-filled, unwelcoming place where only one outlook is tolerated.

I was all for closing that forsaken place, but to then continue allowing Politics in Off-Topic of all places strikes me as so absurd I can scarcely believe it. I wanted to see this site return to being a place for escapism and community, but it's been taken over by the worst politics and now it's in the main forums, not even out-of-sight. Maybe the powers that be are deliberately trying to drive people away, since I honestly can't think of another logical explanation.

Politics should either have its own subforum with little or no mod oversight so that people with contrary opinions don't constantly fall afoul of the perpetually-offended, or stopped entirely (insofar as it doesn't relate directly to gaming or geekdom).
You seem to keep yourself a bit isolated in the gaming community. For as long as I can remember RTS gamers, MMORPG gamers, MOBA gamers, even with our tabletop gaming we all frequently discussed current events and politics. I don't think I have ever played a game of axis and allies where politics didn't come up. Sure there were always plenty of nubs running around talking about fapping and boobs in our games but the rest of us were actually discussing something interesting. My first serious adult gaming guild was formed on campus at The University of Texas in Austin. We all sat around discussing all sorts things while we played. Exactly when did this gatekeeping to keep out current events actually occur?

I also would like to know where all this hate is being spewed? I am not really seeing that happen here as you suggest. It does not appear to be all that unwelcoming either unless of course you are saying it is unwelcoming to Nazis but the new management made it pretty clear the entire forums are no longer welcoming to Nazis so that should be a non issue anyways. I have always frequented Off topic and R&P and the current Off Topic is still a billion times more welcoming than it was under previous management. While yea, it is nice to have forum dividers, I also understand most gaming sites do not and these current events, including politics are discussed in off topic on those forums as well. It isn't like this is the only gaming site that has R&P in off topic or that this is something new, it is has been going on since gaming forums came into existence, it is just we usually have better discussions here than is found on most gaming sites.

EDIT: As for toxicity, I have seen more people banned and madness ensuing over arguments about Anime than I have from R&P, this is not really out of the norm for gamers, as gamers often tend to be quite a " passionate" group to begin with.

dscross said:
Another really annoying thing about it is that a lot of us can't even join in half the political discussions on here with any authority anyway if we wanted to because 90% of it is about USA politics. It's just clogging up off topic with stuff that users from other countries are only half interested, even if they follow politics.
We actually had a good number of long discussions going on European politics and Venezuela before R&P shut down though I think atm most are just cringing and bracing to see what happens with the Brexit. I am sure once things move one way or the other more will be discussed. Currently most of the discussion is on the US since there seems to be a lot going on right now, but that isn't stopping anyone from making a topic they are interested in discussing on issues other forum members are facing in their own nations. We all have things affecting our lives and things we are concerned about so it isn't limited to any one place or topic.. And no, you do not have to have "authority" to discuss what is happening in another nation, it isn't like we have authority to do so in our own nations either. Many of those posting about US politics are not even from the US and I don't see that stopping them. People should be able to talk about what they like, as long as it adheres to the forum rules to not insult anyone and treat people how you want to be treated for the most part.
 

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We actually had a good number of long discussions going on European politics and Venezuela before R&P shut down though I think atm most are just cringing and bracing to see what happens with the Brexit. I am sure once things move one way or the other more will be discussed. Currently most of the discussion is on the US since there seems to be a lot going on right now, but that isn't stopping anyone from making a topic they are interested in discussing on issues other forum members are facing in their own nations. We all have things affecting our lives and things we are concerned about so it isn't limited to any one place or topic.. And no, you do not have to have "authority" to discuss what is happening in another nation, it isn't like we have authority to do so in our own nations either. Many of those posting about US politics are not even from the US and I don't see that stopping them. People should be able to talk about what they like, as long as it adheres to the forum rules to not insult anyone and treat people how you want to be treated for the most part.
I'm probably not going to post in any politics threads anyway while it's in off topic. I'm against very heavy topics being on the main escapist forums (gaming and off-topic) and not in its own section. It's not really escapism if it's very clearly real-world depressing events. It's not that I'm not interested but it shouldn't be the focus of this forum.
 

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Lil devils x said:
We actually had a good number of long discussions going on European politics and Venezuela before R&P shut down though I think atm most are just cringing and bracing to see what happens with the Brexit. I am sure once things move one way or the other more will be discussed. Currently most of the discussion is on the US since there seems to be a lot going on right now, but that isn't stopping anyone from making a topic they are interested in discussing on issues other forum members are facing in their own nations. We all have things affecting our lives and things we are concerned about so it isn't limited to any one place or topic.. And no, you do not have to have "authority" to discuss what is happening in another nation, it isn't like we have authority to do so in our own nations either. Many of those posting about US politics are not even from the US and I don't see that stopping them. People should be able to talk about what they like, as long as it adheres to the forum rules to not insult anyone and treat people how you want to be treated for the most part.
I'm probably not going to post in any politics threads anyway while it's in off topic. I'm against very heavy topics being on the main escapist forums (gaming and off-topic) and not in its own section. It's not really escapism if it's very clearly real-world depressing events. It's not that I'm not interested but it shouldn't be the focus of this forum.
From what they said though they needed to do this to move us to the new forums. I am guessing they are using an existing format that other gaming sites use already that has these combined so it is likely going to be here to stay. There are other gaming sites that have always had Off Topic and R&P combined, so we have been luckier than most, but they are not going to keep these forums or it's format and are in the process of moving us. Since it appears it is here to stay, I pretty much feel we should make the most of it and hope it doesn't discourage participation in discussing whatever you feel like talking about.

Though tbh I have seen far more messier topics than R&P in Off Topic as even Anime tends to get heated. For many though, escapism is also being able to talk about these things without worrying about it impacting how their neighbors, friends or coworkers interact with them on a daily basis.. not unlike be burying my "Star Trek collection" under sweaters when I had my squad over for a sleepover because of how it has been viewed. Sure, there may be topics you are not interested in discussing, but that should not mean that those who are interested in discussing should have that taken away from them for others to be able to enjoy the forums as well.

It often feels like some are trying to punish people for simply discussing current events, or tell them they are not welcome to do so and that doesn't feel like escapism either. That seems far more unwelcoming than people just engaging in what they want to discuss and not engaging in what they don't rather than say "You guys can only talk about what I want to talk about and all you people who don't want to talk about that GTFO." Now I am in no way saying that is what you are saying here, hell I remember you used to post in R&P from time to time as well, but some others here have been pretty much telling people exactly that while claiming allowing current event discussion is unwelcoming at the same time. If anything, I see that as an attempt to alienate members of the community more than just allowing people to talk about these things openly. I am hoping though if we are all going to have to share this bathtub together long term we can manage to share the shampoo instead of hide it away so other's cant use it. :p
 

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Lil devils x said:
dscross said:
Lil devils x said:
We actually had a good number of long discussions going on European politics and Venezuela before R&P shut down though I think atm most are just cringing and bracing to see what happens with the Brexit. I am sure once things move one way or the other more will be discussed. Currently most of the discussion is on the US since there seems to be a lot going on right now, but that isn't stopping anyone from making a topic they are interested in discussing on issues other forum members are facing in their own nations. We all have things affecting our lives and things we are concerned about so it isn't limited to any one place or topic.. And no, you do not have to have "authority" to discuss what is happening in another nation, it isn't like we have authority to do so in our own nations either. Many of those posting about US politics are not even from the US and I don't see that stopping them. People should be able to talk about what they like, as long as it adheres to the forum rules to not insult anyone and treat people how you want to be treated for the most part.
I'm probably not going to post in any politics threads anyway while it's in off topic. I'm against very heavy topics being on the main escapist forums (gaming and off-topic) and not in its own section. It's not really escapism if it's very clearly real-world depressing events. It's not that I'm not interested but it shouldn't be the focus of this forum.
From what they said though they needed to do this to move us to the new forums. I am guessing they are using an existing format that other gaming sites use already that has these combined so it is likely going to be here to stay. There are other gaming sites that have always had Off Topic and R&P combined, so we have been luckier than most, but they are not going to keep these forums or it's format and are in the process of moving us. Since it appears it is here to stay, I pretty much feel we should make the most of it and hope it doesn't discourage participation in discussing whatever you feel like talking about.

Though tbh I have seen far more messier topics than R&P in Off Topic as even Anime tends to get heated. For many though, escapism is also being able to talk about these things without worrying about it impacting how their neighbors, friends or coworkers interact with them on a daily basis.. not unlike be burying my "Star Trek collection" under sweaters when I had my squad over for a sleepover because of how it has been viewed. Sure, there may be topics you are not interested in discussing, but that should not mean that those who are interested in discussing should have that taken away from them for others to be able to enjoy the forums as well.

It often feels like some are trying to punish people for simply discussing current events, or tell them they are not welcome to do so and that doesn't feel like escapism either. That seems far more unwelcoming than people just engaging in what they want to discuss and not engaging in what they don't rather than say "You guys can only talk about what I want to talk about and all you people who don't want to talk about that GTFO." Now I am in no way saying that is what you are saying here, hell I remember you used to post in R&P from time to time as well, but some others here have been pretty much telling people exactly that while claiming allowing current event discussion is unwelcoming at the same time. If anything, I see that as an attempt to alienate members of the community more than just allowing people to talk about these things openly. I am hoping though if we are all going to have to share this bathtub together long term we can manage to share the shampoo instead of hide it away so other's cant use it. :p
Well, that's not the way I, or many people, look at it. I mean, I think most people on here ARE interested in politics. I am actually quite active in politics very in my local area (in the UK), so I would consider myself more than just an armchair political philosopher. It's just that that's not what a lot of people come here for - they come here for an Escape from real life. There are better places to discuss politics that an Escapist forum, in my opinion.

Also, politics, by its very nature, can be quite fiery. And OK, people argue about more trivial subjects like games or TV, but no-one really cares about that after a few days, ultimately. BUT SOME people get REALLY upset over politics and can hold grudges etc and I don't want to deal with that sort of thing, personally when I go onto the escapist (I'm sure that's not true of you - but it defo happens).

It was great in its own section because the people who were interested could dip in and out as they chose. I know they still can in terms of threads, but now it's pretty in your face in off topic.
 

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For real?

Aw, man. I am just learning how to be compassionate in religious and political matters.

Wanted to practice with the good chaps in R&P.

If any of my displaced brethren wish to join me, I'll be exodusing to Reddit/worldpolitics until this forum is restored.

Good day, friends.
 

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secretkeeper12 said:
For real?

Aw, man. I am just learning how to be compassionate in religious and political matters.

Wanted to practice with the good chaps in R&P.

If any of my displaced brethren wish to join me, I'll be exodusing to Reddit/worldpolitics until this forum is restored.

Good day, friends.
Welcome to the New Age, friend.
 

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KingsGambit said:
This is pretty much it. This site is called the Escapist, and was a place to come to escape from the nonsense of the outside world, where geeks and gamers could come to discuss games, get news, gossip and reviews and indulge their love for geek culture and the things that go with that. R&P was so far removed that and it turned this place into a hate-filled, unwelcoming place where only one outlook is tolerated.
Oh please.

You literally think that minority characters existing in geek media are leftist propaganda. You can barely go a single post without talking about your weird political beliefs.

Add to that that, based on your (sadly, mostly deleted) post history, you seem genuinely willing to judge and hate anyone different from you, and not even for their opinions, and don't seem to feel the slightest shame about that.

If you think R&P was toxic, at least have the courage to admit that you were part of that toxicity.
 

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KingsGambit said:
This is pretty much it. This site is called the Escapist, and was a place to come to escape from the nonsense of the outside world, where geeks and gamers could come to discuss games, get news, gossip and reviews and indulge their love for geek culture and the things that go with that. R&P was so far removed that and it turned this place into a hate-filled, unwelcoming place where only one outlook is tolerated.
Oh please.

You literally think that minority characters existing in geek media are leftist propaganda. You can barely go a single post without talking about your weird political beliefs.

Add to that that, based on your (sadly, mostly deleted) post history, you seem genuinely willing to judge and hate anyone different from you, and not even for their opinions, and don't seem to feel the slightest shame about that.

If you think R&P was toxic, at least have the courage to admit that you were part of that toxicity.
Before you get too incensed, that post was from June of 2019. KingsGambit may still very well stand behind what he/she said, but rebutting now goes beyond picking the scab to reopening the wound.
 

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Xprimentyl said:
Before you get too incensed, that post was from June of 2019. KingsGambit may still very well stand behind what he/she said, but rebutting now goes beyond picking the scab to reopening the wound.
Oh, I see the date on the thread now.

Eh, you're right, that was overly harsh even if it wasn't a necropost.