what is "Hardcore" gaming?

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Savagezion

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You know, I really don't get the mass hysteria the word "gamer" instills in some people. I don't mind being called a gamer and I don't mind the term much in general. It just means someone who fancies paying games whether it be board or video. To me, there is no reason to separate those two types of people. Unless it seems necessary to separate the two. Now the term that gets under my skin is "hardcore gamer" mostly because in the industry of video games, it is used inappropriately on a regular basis.

When the industry speaks of "hardcore gamers" they usually are referring to frag addicts and achievement whores. But the problem is achievement whoring is a niche section of the gaming community that mostly has the majority roll their eyes at it. Considering 85% of all trophies and achievements are achieved by simply playing the game you planned on playing anyways and are superficial reward systems most people see right through.
As for the frag addicts, I know at least 10 people who own current gen systems solely for Modern Warfare, BlOps, and Halo. They play nothing more than Online FPS's and may dabble in another game here and there but since they don't follow the industry they get burned on crap choices in games a lot. Usually through games based off movies or playing roulette with the game wall. They are very susceptible to hype as they don't focus on the industry's gimmicks and schemes.

The problem with calling these two "hardcore gamers" is because one is a small portion of the community and the other isn't active enough to really be considered a part of the industry. When interviews come out about something and they refer to these gamers as the hardcore audience, they don't realize most of the frag addicts will NEVER read that interview. All they need is a cool looking commercial that says "our game is awesome" to decide. While the achievement whores may end up reading the interviews they are a small part of the people that will. Then they wonder why the gaming community constantly bitches that the big wigs aren't in tune with what the bulk of he hardcore audience is wanting. Or that the hardcore gamers don't know their asses from their joystick thumb.

For me hardcore gaming is when gaming has actually became your active interest. Even if you don't play 70% of the games that come out, you are familiar with the titles, their average reception, knowing if you would probably like the game or not before you get to play it because you are familiar with the pitfalls and pros to a title due to reading about 10 articles on it already. Knowing about games long before commercials advertise on television.

However, according to that alone someone could be a hardcore gamer and never play a game in his life. But there is something to that though in all honesty. However, I would then take that and attach it to this:

Twuk said:
I believe a "hardcore" gamer is one who puts all of his efforts into mastering his game, whatever game may that be. The Wii is no exception, I've got buddies who actually PREFER the Wii on certain games, making them no less of a hardcore gamer than myself.
I really like the wording there. The Wii is a perfect example for how console preference has nothing to do with what kind of gamer you are. To do that is simply profiling. Mix those two together, and you have a hardcore gamer. That is my "recently modified" definiton of hardcore gaming.
 

Ildecia

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hardcore, or casual i don't really think there's a difference.

if any its that the first spends more time and puts more effort into a game than the latter category.

my problem is with the "loud and proud" gamers.
 

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Well, it's kind of a stupid, meaningless term to begin with, so if you ask a dozen people what it means you'll get a dozen different answers, but I basically associate the term hardcore gamer with people that have forgotten to have fun while playing games. If I'm feeling nice about it at the time, anyway.

I've never really liked the term hardcore to begin with though.
 

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Calluses built up from repeated button mashing. This is one reason Wii players are overlooked. You can't really build up a callus from waving sticks at a screen. And Tennis Elbow doesn't count.

Hands frozen in a curled claw from grasping the game controller too tightly whilst earning a triple-kill.

The ripe peanut butter and Frito chip smell of the unwashed body, due to hours of not budging from you spot on the sofa.

The 5 o'clock shadow on the ten year old at 3 in the morning. Also has the vacant, bloodshot, thousand yard stare as they look not at the screen, but rather past it.

The pet who long ago gave up on being fed and has settled for hibernation.

All these things are signs that you are in the presence of a Hardcore Gamer.
 

Vault101

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Twuk said:
Vault101 said:
By mature I mean the complete oposite of mario...you know stuff ment for adults, not that somthing with a G rating is bad but mature stuff is simply what I'm drawn too for better or worse
I know what you're saying, but just because a game is "kiddy" or ment for a wider audience doesn't necessarily mean it can't have mature aspects. Look at a lot of JRPGs for example. Many games in the genre have G rated aspects but at the same time can be considered games tailored to the "hardcore" RPG player's preferences.
just for clarification my defenition of a "casual" game is somthing promoted to people outside of the standard gamer demographic and thats easy to pick up and play, like farmvillie bejeweled iphone games or some game on the wii thats made up of little minigames like wii sports,

however even if somthing has a "kiddie" image dose not make is causual I would not call Mario galaxy casual or kingdom hearts ect
 

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Savagezion said:
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Twuk said:
I believe a "hardcore" gamer is one who puts all of his efforts into mastering his game, whatever game may that be. The Wii is no exception, I've got buddies who actually PREFER the Wii on certain games, making them no less of a hardcore gamer than myself.
I really like the wording there. The Wii is a perfect example for how console preference has nothing to do with what kind of gamer you are. To do that is simply profiling. Mix those two together, and you have a hardcore gamer. That is my "recently modified" definiton of hardcore gaming.
You have some strong points there, Savagezion. I'm especially on board with you on the note of hardcore FPS gaming. The kind of player you described in your post makes up more than half of my friends who play video games. The workmanship behind the game itself can be truly bad, but it won't matter just as long as the servers are the most active and the achievements keep coming.

The terms "hardcore" and "casual" are self definitive. It's not something that you should fret about acknowledging, to yourself or anyone else. It's usually just obvious. If you've prestiged 10 times in Black Ops then it's no secret that you're a hardcore Black Ops player. I'll sit there and rack in hours upon hours in my games, does that make me hardcore for doing so? Maybe, but who cares?
 

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Hardcore gamer: a competetive gamer who spents (a lot of) time in getting better in a game (usually online multiplayer). Starcraft is one of the prime examples of a hardcore game for me.
 

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It's a loose term. Anyone can have their own definitions.

It's a bit more serious form of gaming. Interpretations vary.
 

Sarah Frazier

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There are too many factors that can define what Hardcore is.

Time played? Some people will play a game for hours at a time and still get very little done. Others may only play for an hour or two a week but somehow manage to get a lot done.

Kill count? Some people may go against weaker enemies because they are so easy to kill with no real challenge, or use some cheat that makes them impossible to kill.

Gear? Some people will find ways to cheat the system and get things without putting much skill or effort into.

Stats? With the right combo of gear and browsing the web for advice, anyone can max out stats and become a god.

Skill? This gets a bit closer, but what about games where the only real skill involved is hitting a few buttons and relying more on gear and stats to win?

So really, it all depends on what's important in the game to succeed, what the player personally considers important, and just how far people are willing to go in order to win. Putting in more and more time, mastering more and more skills, getting bigger guns to wave around, and who knows what else.
 

Zannah

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That which is commonly described as 'hardcore gaming' refers to those few people who are willing to put the amount of effort into their hobby, that is required to be good at it.
In other words, people that don't cry about balance issues, and difficulty, but suck it up and deal with it.
 

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There are casual poker players and hardcore poker players.
The difference between them is that casual players lose money by playing "just for fun," whilst hardcore players consistently make a profit.

THEN there are the people who are neither casual nor hardcore, but are just addicted to the damn game and never improve.
They like to think themselves as hardcore 'cos they play so damn much, but their very existence is the reason why REAL hardcore poker players, those who do it as a profession, are able to make enough money not to starve to death.
 

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gibboss28 said:
Its a marketing term which has worked pretty well, well that and casual gaming
That's what I figured: it's a term coined by a PR department at some publisher to make people feel more manly playing their games.

When you hear those guys next door cursing, thumping, and screaming "oh my god." That's "hardcore" ....

Seriously, I never use the term myself but whenever I hear "hardcore" I think of gay sex.
 

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HARDCORE GAMING IS FOR THE EXTREME!! It's a 15hr marathon of team fortress and star craft while knocking back cans of red bull like their skittles!

HARDCORE GAMING is climbing a mountain just to have a lan party at it's peak then make the losers climb down bare footed!

HARDCORE GAMING is playing contra on hard while surfing a 40 foot wave on the back of a goblin shark with pants make out of live parahna knowing that if you die even once you have to bail and let them devour you slow and painfully! THAT'S HARDCORE GAMING!! THE REST IS JUST POSERS!
 

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twistedheat15 said:
HARDCORE GAMING IS FOR THE EXTREME!! It's a 15hr marathon of team fortress and star craft while knocking back cans of red bull like their skittles!

HARDCORE GAMING is climbing a mountain just to have a lan party at it's peak then make the losers climb down bare footed!

HARDCORE GAMING is playing contra on hard while surfing a 40 foot wave on the back of a goblin shark with pants make out of live parahna knowing that if you die even once you have to bail and let them devour you slow and painfully! THAT'S HARDCORE GAMING!! THE REST IS JUST POSERS!
Do you work for Spike TV?
 

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Being a hardcore gamer doesn't take place over a week or a month. It happens when you spend a significant amount of time over time playing games as a hobby.

EDIT: You can be a hardcore gamer and only play singleplayer
 

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Twuk said:
NickCooley said:
There's no such thing as a hardcore gamer, only obsessives with self worth issues.
I disagree. Although certain people take the term out of context completely at times, it's just a way to identify with people how interested you are in gaming. Not in the "YEAH MAN HARDCORE!!!" sense, but more of a "Yeah man I'm into that kind of game, like hardcore". Not exactly the best choice of terms, but it's much better than saying that the word has no meaning and all who associate with it are "obsessives with self worth issues." I myself game many hours everyday, so one could identify me as a "hardcore" player. Am I an obsessive? No. Am I full of self pity and loathing? No. Do I enjoy playing games and putting work into them? Yes.
This is what it meant, unequivocally, when I was a kid, and this:

Savagezion said:
You know, I really don't get the mass hysteria the word "gamer" instills in some people. I don't mind being called a gamer and I don't mind the term much in general. It just means someone who fancies paying games whether it be board or video. To me, there is no reason to separate those two types of people. Unless it seems necessary to separate the two. Now the term that gets under my skin is "hardcore gamer" mostly because in the industry of video games, it is used inappropriately on a regular basis.

When the industry speaks of "hardcore gamers" they usually are referring to frag addicts and achievement whores. But the problem is achievement whoring is a niche section of the gaming community that mostly has the majority roll their eyes at it. Considering 85% of all trophies and achievements are achieved by simply playing the game you planned on playing anyways and are superficial reward systems most people see right through.
As for the frag addicts, I know at least 10 people who own current gen systems solely for Modern Warfare, BlOps, and Halo. They play nothing more than Online FPS's and may dabble in another game here and there but since they don't follow the industry they get burned on crap choices in games a lot. Usually through games based off movies or playing roulette with the game wall. They are very susceptible to hype as they don't focus on the industry's gimmicks and schemes.

The problem with calling these two "hardcore gamers" is because one is a small portion of the community and the other isn't active enough to really be considered a part of the industry. When interviews come out about something and they refer to these gamers as the hardcore audience, they don't realize most of the frag addicts will NEVER read that interview. All they need is a cool looking commercial that says "our game is awesome" to decide. While the achievement whores may end up reading the interviews they are a small part of the people that will. Then they wonder why the gaming community constantly bitches that the big wigs aren't in tune with what the bulk of he hardcore audience is wanting. Or that the hardcore gamers don't know their asses from their joystick thumb.
is what it arguably means now. I think a lot of it has to do with the influx of new people that joined the hobby last gen thanks to Halo and its clones. What was once a hobby pretty much exclusively held by nerds became something that another demographic -- the one that watches Spike TV for things aside from the James Bond movies, Star Wars movies, and reruns of Star Trek -- also considered its primary hobby. This has led to the marketing departments of various publishers redefining "Hard Core" to mean the ridiculous thing it means now, and in the process creating the "war" between hard core and casual, instead of being a simple statement that gaming took up a significant portion of your time, and you kept up with the industry. I qualify under the old definition, but I don't even want to qualify under the new one.
 

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unswervingly committed; uncompromising; dedicated: e.g. a hard-core segregationist.

There you have it. The other non-definitions are merely inventions to slander the dedicated and committed gamer. No doubt these same people take the word bulky to mean "a person who takes my lunch money" and cheerleader to mean "***** who never put out no matter how many times I did her homework."

I prefer more precise terms though. "this game is complex/challanging/competetive" rather than "hardcore."
 

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Hardcore gamer: A person dedicated to one genre of gaming or one game series or one title. He/she believes that their preferred game is better than the rest.

Gamer: A person who is willing to try all genres and enjoys playing games in general.

That's my definition anyway.
 

Twuk

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mParadox said:
Hardcore gamer: A person dedicated to one genre of gaming or one game series or one title. He/she believes that their preferred game is better than the rest.

Gamer: A person who is willing to try all genres and enjoys playing games in general.

That's my definition anyway.
What about a person who enjoys all different types of games and genres, and excels remarkably well in them due to time and practice? Shouldn't a seasoned video game player be able to adapt well?