What is so great about Anime?

Mr.Petey

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The Stonker said:
American telivision is crap. Really, the same shit over and over and over again.
If I see another 2 and a 1/2 man show again then I will punch something, but Burn notice is okay.
So, I can't convince you to watch anime and nobody can.
But if you're open minded then I would recommend!
1)Lucky Star (yes it's as stupid as George W Bush on crack but funny as hell).
2)Spice and wolf(different theme and very good).
3)Elfen lied.
4)Neon Genesis Evangelion. The charachters actually act as humans.
5)Chobits.
6)Everything with Studio Ghibli.

But I do admit that mainstream anime fans are disgusting....One of them was going to make out with me and possibly rape me.
I just didn't know if it was a girl or a boy ._.
Over a lot of heavy breathing perverted extreme anime weeaboos, this post is a ray of light in the fog of stupidity (for the record, it's regarding some, but not all of those in the anime community in general, not this thread) This is how anime should be introduced to people with the mindset of "If you're open minded as you say you are, then feel free to give some of these recommendations a shot"

That selection alone is a nice little collection of variety and I've heard nothing but good about Spice and Wolf.

But yeah I also hate the rabid anime fandom that demands you watch more than you've tried of a new series i.e "Oh I know you 'tried' it but you didn't see this and this which makes the series awesome!" because the odds are they are just talking about the odd plot twist that turns things around slightly but I wouldn't hold my breath on it actually putting a different spin on the entire series. Not many animes can do that (there are exceptions but VERY few, in my book anyway)

OT however, it should be admitted that some anime can fall into a predictable pattern but that's where you need to open your borders and limits to what else there can be.
I've a mecha/sci fi/comedy/fantasy preference and recently broke that narrow field with some different exceptions such as Hellsing and Ah My Goddess.
It paid off, it felt refreshing and different and gave me a little more hope in that anime, as sterile and samey as it may seem to some, can have it's appeal in the most unexpected of places.
 

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bahumat42 said:
The Stonker said:
American telivision is crap. Really, the same shit over and over and over again.
If I see another 2 and a 1/2 man show again then I will punch something, but Burn notice is okay.
So, I can't convince you to watch anime and nobody can.
But if you're open minded then I would recommend!
1)Lucky Star (yes it's as stupid as George W Bush on crack but funny as hell).
2)Spice and wolf(different theme and very good).
3)Elfen lied.
4)Neon Genesis Evangelion. The charachters actually act as humans.
5)Chobits.
6)Everything with Studio Ghibli.

But I do admit that mainstream anime fans are disgusting....One of them was going to make out with me and possibly rape me.
I just didn't know if it was a girl or a boy ._.

see as much as all the animes you said are good. You fall into the trap of doing exactly what the OP did but in reverse. Now I'll agree theres a lot of tat on US television but their are gems like the walking dead, 30 rock , lost (debatable to some but shhh),boston legal,scrubs, the first season of heroes (the rests crap i agree), how i met your mother (whilst not always hilarious its usually entertaining) hell i'm going to include SG1 because in its own cheesy way it was amazing.

But look outside of US borders and you will get a lot of varied programming being from the UK im proud of what a lot of our country produces from doctor who (yes its campy) to misfits to being human and top gear (theres a lot of panel shows that kick ass but a large amount of its local humor so i won't bring those into it. Im sure canada aus and other english speaking countries produce some good programming.
But if I may ask isn't SG-1 maid by Canadians?
But I do agree on 30 Rock, I love Tina Fey, ( sorry I just forgot about her, Boston legal made me cry loads of times, from laughter!
But I think we both know what I'm pointing my hate arrow towards, I'm pointing it towards, According to Jim, The simpsons, Friends etc etc.
And first and foremost! REALITY TV!
Except the Japanese and the English do it right.
 

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Bradax24 said:
thublihnk said:
Bradax24 said:
I'm going to put in my word again because of all the ignorant comments I see.

Anime is just another way of presenting the film medium.

Animation is a form of film, and anime is a form of animation. Anime does not have to have skimpy girls, giant robots, or convoluted plots; those are attributes of a few anime series that have been focused on and projected to the larger masses. It's similar to the news focusing on a game with the player beating a police officer or when they focus on a mass murderer's collection of heavy metal. In other words, when someone criticizes anime for reasons other than the fact it s animation that comes from Japan, they are stereotyping the group.

Anime is capable of presenting complex stories (Death Note), with complex characters (Cowboy Bebop), and complex issues (Wolf's Rain). Giant robots (Gundam), convoluted plots (Code Geass), and skimpy girls (...Code Geass) are just part of a big melting pot.

I enjoy anime just for the same reason I enjoy Nolan, Eastwood, and Cohen Brothers movies; because I've been satisfied by their previous works; like Wolf's Rain, Cowboy Bebop, and Deathnote (even if I do have to go through a couple bad seeds).
2 things: Anime is not film, Film's a whole other thing. That's like saying painting is another form of photography. Just isn't true.
Also: Death Note blew and Cowboy Bebop was insanely difficult to get into. Face it, there are some people who are dissatisfied with where Anime is as an art. They're not irrational, they just don't share your tastes.
2 things:
1) Your comparison is fairly accurate, but you miss the point. When I say film, I mean anything that interprets a scene through moving images. Anime fits into that category. Also, a painting and a photo basically do the same thing, they show a scene through a still image; the difference between the two is how the product is made.
2) I acknowledge that people do not share the same tastes me, but I find it hard to excuse people who pick on anime stereotypes as a means of disproving anime's credibility as a type of medium. That's what point I was trying to make.
Well then you have a completely inaccurate definition of the word 'film'. Congrats.
And if you want to argue that there aren't extremely prevalent tropes throughout the medium of Anime, you're going to be fighting an uphill battle, pal. Because there are.
 

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well, since your account was opened yesterday i'm gonna say obvious troll is obvious, but in the spirit of a 14 page topic i'll play.

Your avatar is a cowboy? how can anyone like westerns with their overblown plots and completely unrealistic set peices and gunmanship.

Anyway, it's a preference thing. I like some animes, and i like some sitcoms, it's a preference thing. some people here like racing games, i don't, i like 3d action platformers, some people here don't.

happy holidays.
 

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Everyone wants to learn the well-protected secret of indestructible hairstyles.


They never use gel, primer or wax or something like that? How does it work?!

XD
 

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Texas America Murphy said:
D Moness said:
well like they say different taste for different people.

Just as easy as to explain What is so great about books? (or movies or gaming or american animation)
But you can objectively quantify the qualities of the things. "Books are great because they allow for serious long form character explanation and a handling of emotions and sensory inputs that an otherwise constraining visual medium like film disallows."

bobby1361 said:
To be fair, watching a couple of episodes isn't enough either, your description of Code Geass, well, it explains that Britania is the worlds Super-power and are taking over Japan, also known as Area 11.
That is silly.

Sturmdolch said:
Beats me, but a lot of people like it. I personally hate it, and the entire sub-culture it's spawned of weeaboo Japanophiles that would probably get made fun of if they ever went to Japan. But it's preference, that's all. I'll laugh at you for liking it, but you might laugh at me for liking Harry Potter and Tron.

You're a film student with an avatar from an old western film. There are a lot of people that will say the same thing about westerns that you said about anime. They make no sense, they're boring, they're self-indulgent, and they go no where. Of course, I disagree, but that's the beauty of humanity: we can have individual opinions.

But one factor behind the success of anime is definitely the recent idea that anything that Japan does or makes is automatically awesome and superior to anything "western". I'm not sure where this came from. Go ahead and like anime because you enjoy the story, or the art style. But it's very annoying to hear "because it's from Japan!!!" as a reason for liking something or thinking it's better.
Right, but how did we get from "Japan is a country we nuked" to "Japan makes the bestest movies ever!"

Like, I've met some people on the internet who get really really up in arms about anime.

Also Sergio Leon movies are objectively good and make perfect sense and anyone who disagrees with that assertion is scientifically wrong.
You'll agree that Akira Kurosawa's films are "scientifically" equal to those of Sergio Leon, seeing as Leon took vast amounts from Kurosawa's films? Of course you would, logically. Great, cool, fine. Now feel free to watch some decent anime. love it, hate it, feel a great sense of shoeburryness, whatever. Or don't watch it and don't comment ignorantly on it.
 

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Anime is fun.

There. I said it. Everyone likes a different kind of fun. Anime is a kind of Fun you have to like to begin with.
 

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I'm glad to see I'm not alone in failing to comprehend anime and its following. It always has confused me.
 

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I like Anime mostly because all of western TV is bat shit retarded, and when it's not, it's pretty much the same thing over again. How is there so many cop shows? Seriously? Now, I love House and many other shows, but the fact that there's no full story, it's just not very memorable.

But seriously, Reality TV shows are popular. Are you telling me that the entire medium of Anime (which includes thousands of genres) is worse? The fact remains that Anime incompases so many genres that you really need to get lucky with your choice. Just because an anime is popular does not mean you'll like it. Same with any western show. Also, from the sounds of it, you either started watching those animes part way through or your not the most alert person. Code Geass gets very plot twisty, but if you've watched it from the beginning, you'll get it.

I'm not saying that Anime doesn't have it's share of repeats, but overall, Anime has a lot more depth to it. That's probably a combination of it generally having an actual story and them being around for so long.
 

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Anime is great because it tends to expand beyond what the west considers normal.

Face it: in all reality excluding Pixar there's really no such thing as a "mature" animated system that isn't shoved into the housing of a comedy.

You can get just about anything you want in Anime. Philosophy. Action. Drama. Romance. Thriller. Fiction. Non-fiction. You name it. Obviously there's the down sides, and some of it won't make sense if you're not understanding the backing of it (Incidently, a lot of the "pulp" anime like Naruto isn't good to begin with and generally you want to read the manga rather than watch the anime, and merely accept that eventually something that's released every single week of the year is eventually going to get bad) but beyond that there's a lot of gems to be had.
 

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Lets see you've started off with 'dear nerds', you've waved your film student credentials around like we care what difference that would make to *our* opinions and you've really nicely dissed your girlfriend as apparently some brainless ditz only worthy as, what arm candy?

You've even failed in basic logic that if you start in the middle of something you are probably not going to understand a damn thing.

Yeah, troll-a-riffic.
This this this this this, oh god, a thousand times this. Why no one posted this previously is beyond me.
 

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To start off, I haven't really read all of the posts - mostly the OP's
To begin this discussion -
medium is a style, genre is a subject - anime is not a genre - it contains genre just the same as television or books do - animation would have to be the medium or more correctly, visual motion pictures would be the medium and anime would be a top tier level or branch of that medium right alongside live action drama or television
so to the OP, I would have to say that anime is only a branch of animation and if you do not prefer animation, anime as a result would not be liked by you

Secondly, take note that there are no more original stories now - everything has been used thousands of times, however, what can be understood is how each character type or story type is presented in style or in a timeline fashion which creates a form of originality, thus if you find that a particular anime draws upon past subjects to be unoriginal, understand that there is very little to no originality in a sense left to be had in any subject.

and for Evangelion - the story revolves around a number of children who each have experienced some form of trauma and now are put into situations in which they have to quickly mature so you can expect a character like Shinji to be critical of his position - to be pushed aside by an indifferent father and now to only be there because his father 'has a use for him'
. To understand why it is happening, you must put yourself in place of the character in question and think of how you'd react to that particular situation at that specific age, do not immediately write off a character because they do not relate to you

if you're going to look at anime, not as a whole but rather as a sub-medium style - find sites which you can peer through by genre - subject - i.e. western, psychological, action, comedy, etc. simply chose what you like and look through the choices - do not judge something as a whole based on one or two examples. While I admit that there is some anime out there that are really off the wall (no examples here since I judge based upon synopsi and images to learn if I might enjoy it) this does not equate to every sample to be horrible

maturity may not equate to being good it is simply put the age range that it would fall to and the most likely candidates who would understand it and/or find it interesting

childish may not always equate it to being a children's show- rather it could mean that it contains excess comedy and that those who review such items will label it as such due to their personal preferences

so, all in all, don't judge a work based upon small samples but judge based upon the whole, there are always diamonds amidst the coal - however, based upon Cowboy Bebop - as I understand it - is a series of separate stories in each episode that involve the same 4 and eventually 5 characters. so before you spout any criticism on a work simply from one or two episodes - at least watch it in its entirety before presenting criticism which is the whole point of working in media study - observe the whole and not entirely the individual - after all the otaku and fanboys and girls do not represent Japan's culture as a whole just as ghettos (mostly portrayed in media) and Hollywood modeltypes including junkfood such as McDonalds do not represent Americans as a whole

I know I wrote a lot and some may not be correct, but these are all my personal opinions of the matter at hand - but out of the matter at hand - do not judge me based simply upon this post
 

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Texas America Murphy said:
Cowboy Bebop Update 3? Maybe 4? I don't even care.

Oh how adorably predictable. The quiet dangerous badboy main character flirts with the mysterious and dangerous dame. Jealous boyfriend kicks his ass. Oh but wait he was just doing it to pick the dudes pocket he didn't really care about the girl.

Or does he?

Literally every single frame of this episode is trying its hardest go "HEY GUESS WHAT WE WATCH A LOT OF MOVIES YOUR DAD LIKES."
Lol it seems like you're trying to hard to not care, but that last line was hilarious. Yeah the very little anime I have watched has been pretty lame, although I've heard great things about Bebop from others, so I might check it out. Also try watching a movie that's anime, or something like that. Ghost in the Shell is pretty popular, only seen bits and pieces myself.
 

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One more thing I'll chime in with on the Naruto thing:

Most everyone here has pointed out how Naruto is a great example of not-so-representative anime. And it's true - imho, although anime based on ongoing manga stories must perforce wait on the manga in order to move forward, Naruto and Bleach are both waaaayyy too drawn out simply to keep the franchise alive. 10 wasted viewer minutes per weekly episode adds up to a LOT of extra weeks of advertising and merchandising revenue ;)

That being said, there ARE some actual good Naruto episodes, esp. towards the beginning. Although I won't now watch Naruto by choice, I WILL watch eps 48 - 50 anytime (the Rock Lee fights Gara eps) 'cause damn, that was a fun set of eps.

Not too coincidentally, of all the chars the Naruto author draws, Rock Lee is his #1 favorite :)
 

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maybe the artist enjoys Bruce Lee
but I do disagree with most people who hate Naruto but seem to enjoy other shows or forms of media that appear the same. The basic thing that most people must realize and never actually see is that "ninja" does not always mean "assassin" - the term ninja means mercenary, thus they can be used for assassinations but tend to be soldiers or workers for hire
Naruto just happens to take place in a setting in which that form of employment is much more prominent and revered than most other lines of work since it equates to the old WWI style of thinking - heroic and triumphant, or at least that's how I view it
and each character comes from different albeit similar backgrounds and must adapt to that setting if they want to achieve their own visions of what is 'heroic' and 'triumphant'
 

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Well first for the particular examples:
Naruto: it is not great, but is very popular and not horrible in my opinion. And like many other 30 minute animes it does not have time for plot or character development in all of its shows (many shows will simply be a big battle) but it doe make up for this during other episodes.

Code Geuess: I actually really liked this show, but you cannot just jump right in in the middle.

Anime is very diverse, and I am sure their is some you would love if you tried it, in particular some of the movies are amazing, and I have really only liked some of the less well knows series.

The problem that newcomers have is that many animes, particularly the popular ones, really seem/are [like] kid shows. I am not exactly sure what age they are targeted for but even the worst of them I have found to be more entertaining then any western kid shows.
 

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Answer the Thread Title: That it turns out stuff like this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uAo7IAvgCgk

Most of anime is crap, but most of -everything- is crap so that doesn't make it much different than anything else.