What is so great about Anime?

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albinokid66

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'My second anime was elfen lied and i wasn't really ready for it : I got shocked and freaked out a lot. ( I didn't knew japanse were such perverts jet )[/quote]'

If you think of Elfen Lied as 'perverted' you have completely missed the point of it
 

somonels

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Given your background I can see why none of those particular shows catered to your tastes.
"Anime" is no better or worse that western and hollywood films, all mostly garbage. You need to find someone who actually knows the whole anime, I don't really know what to call it: culture, genre, output or something else, and not some mainstream cosplay fangirls. He, or she, can help you find something that you would enjoy. But if the presentation does not suit you, then you won't like anime.
 

ServebotFrank

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Why didn't you watch Cowboy Bebop? Yeah most Anime is stupid but there are some good ones just you watched the bad ones. Not that I consider Gurren Lagann bad since that show is not meant to be taken seriously until the halfway point."Who the hell do you think I am KIIIICCCCKKKKK!!!" See it's ridiculous.
 
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Cowboy Bebop Update 1:

He's smoking. On a spaceship. Despite the limited air. Also they're broke and possibly gay.

Alright, now you're just trying to be noir.
 

masterjiji

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Meh, I don't think of it as art. I think of it as 1) eye candy and 2) a good reason why I don't live in Japan. I completely agree that anime is completely bananas in the plot department, but that makes it a little fun for me. Yeah, it's a pain in the ass learning everybody's name, their family situation, dark backstory, chest hair length, etc. but once you know them it's entertaining to see how messed up a plot can get and still be coherent (with a little effort on the viewer's part, of course), as well as watching people have epic duels with umbrellas and whatnot.

What I DON'T like about anime is that it's either a romantic drama or it's a violent one that suffers from what I call "Dragonball syndrome." Remember how intense the fights were in early Dragonball, anyone? The Goku-Raditz (sorry if I misspelled that) fight was way more enjoyable than watching Frieza and... SOMEONE float above an exploding planet and talk about how the planet was exploding in between yelling at each other and looking surprised at the other's power level. An unfortunate number of violent animes do this; start out with insanely fast, high-quality fight scenes until the art department bitches enough that the director(s) resort to powering-up scenes instead of real combat. That's just the violence aspect of it, though. Character development also tends to go down the shitter from what I've seen, instead resorting to angst that takes eons to resolve any sort of interpersonal relationships. Gah.

Whatever. I still like some animes, for different reasons. I don't call myself a huge fan of it (I may well be in denial about that one), but I still enjoy it.
 
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Cowboy Bebop Update 2:

Alright. Cut from gritty blues playing bounty hunters to dangerous outlaw and beautiful mysterious dame walking into a bar and buying some drugs. But the bar is in Mexico. SPACE MEXICO.

AND THEY ARE OUTLAWS.

And then a rival gang comes and theres a shootout but this outlaw is just too fast.

Jesus Christ. It's like these writers watched Fistful of Dollars for the first time back to back with Chinatown and Blade Runner and are just so fucking excited about it.
 

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Personally I watch anime because I find it funny as well as different from american shows. Your points, while valid in the scope you may have seen the episodes, show little or no attempt at understanding what happened before or after the small pieces that you saw.
I am by no means defending bad anime, cause' there's a whole lot of that going on, but there is alot more merit to your argument if you would actually watch an entire season of a show, where all things are, in fact, explained.
Like anything else, if you pick up in the middle of everything, nothing makes sense.
 

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Texas America Murphy said:
ServebotFrank said:
Why didn't you watch Cowboy Bebop? Yeah most Anime is stupid but there are some good ones just you watched the bad ones. Not that I consider Gurren Lagann bad since that show is not meant to be taken seriously until the halfway point."Who the hell do you think I am KIIIICCCCKKKKK!!!" See it's ridiculous.
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Because i didn't know about its existance until ten minutes ago asshole that's why.
Whoa what's with the attitude I was being informative. Most popular anime is ridiculous anyway and that anime club was watching the bad ones. Don't get pissy at me for commenting on this. That sentence about Cowboy Bebop was mostly aimed at the guys at that club not at you so don't be all uptight about it when you asked us what our opinion on anime is which I said was 80% stupid. Normally I don't admit I watch anime because all the anime you listed was stupid.Next time you want an input on something let me know.
 
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masterjiji said:
What I DON'T like about anime is that it's either a romantic drama or it's a violent one that suffers from what I call "Dragonball syndrome." Remember how intense the fights were in early Dragonball, anyone? The Goku-Raditz (sorry if I misspelled that) fight was way more enjoyable than watching Frieza and... SOMEONE float above an exploding planet and talk about how the planet was exploding in between yelling at each other and looking surprised at the other's power level.
No. I don't. Because I have NEVER SEEN WHATEVER THE HELL YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT INCOHERENTLY.
 

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Texas America Murphy said:
Jesus Christ. It's like these writers watched Fistful of Dollars for the first time back to back with Chinatown and Blade Runner and are just so fucking excited about it.
Fist full of Dollars, Chinatown, and Blade Runner...god damnit now you've gone and got me excited...
 

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Texas America Murphy said:
2xDouble said:
I like this post. Alot. This is very interesting. So basically what you're saying is that all anime is of an effectively serial nature?

Tally now stands at
CB: 1
DN: 1 because my girlfriend just voted for Deathnote.
Something like that. Different series' might feed off of each other which could explain why the entire medium tends to be so engrossing (and why it may be difficult to distinguish between various series, disregarding blatant plagiarism and imitations). I did mean to be a little more specific in that each show that many find difficult to grasp is far better as a whole (rather than implying the entire medium is connected somehow, though now that we've mentioned it... heh). Code Geass, for example, is like watching a chess game one move per episode. Some will find it fascinating, some will find it tedious, and some will be trying to figure out the overarching strategies, gambits, etc. (as if you could figure out an entire chess strategy from a single move without being able to see the entire board or all of the pieces in play...)

Put my vote down for Cowboy Bebop. Deathnote is another "chess game" soap opera that happens to contain exaggerated moral conundrums (very cool) and magical beings/artifacts (also cool). This is not to say DN is bad (it is, in fact, quite good in my opinion), but if you're looking to ease into the medium, a more episodic show like Cowboy Bebop (not to mention CB's incredible jazz soundtrack and musical references) is easier to follow (usually).

*reads previous posts* Damn. Ninja'd. heh.
 

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Lets see you've started off with 'dear nerds', you've waved your film student credentials around like we care what difference that would make to *our* opinions and you've really nicely dissed your girlfriend as apparently some brainless ditz only worthy as, what arm candy?

You've even failed in basic logic that if you start in the middle of something you are probably not going to understand a damn thing.

Yeah, troll-a-riffic.

if you dont like bebop based on its music score and animation alone then you probably have no soul :)
 

ntw3001

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Bah, okay. I ain't some kind of great anime lover, but I've watched Cowboy Bebop and Evangelion, and yeah. Evangelion probably isn't a good one if you're not sure whether you're interested, because it's so utterly... Japanese? Yeah, fine, I'll leave that description there. If anyone cares to take issue with it they can go hog wild.

Cowboy Bebop is excellent, though. It is space opera with jazz. Don't expect anything too deep; it's just outstandingly hip. You might also watch Samurai Champloo, which is by the same studio and pretty similar in tone, but this time it's anachronistic-pastiche-Edo-period Japan, featuring samurai and hip-hop.

That's all I've got.

Oh, also I'm not sure what's causing the rage reactions in this thread. It's fair to identify the huge bundle of tropes common to anime shows and take them as broadly indicative of the style (I prefer the word 'style' to 'genre' for this discussion). It'd be in the same vein to say 'I don't like Hollywood movies, they're brainless blockbusters without substance', which honestly, most people around here would probably love to hear.
 
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Cowboy Bebop Update 3? Maybe 4? I don't even care.

Oh how adorably predictable. The quiet dangerous badboy main character flirts with the mysterious and dangerous dame. Jealous boyfriend kicks his ass. Oh but wait he was just doing it to pick the dudes pocket he didn't really care about the girl.

Or does he?

Literally every single frame of this episode is trying its hardest go "HEY GUESS WHAT WE WATCH A LOT OF MOVIES YOUR DAD LIKES."
 

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Darktau said:
henritje said:
Tuckiozi said:
Blackality said:
Neon Genesis Evangelion?

Great anime, bad choice for a newcomer.
This, basically.
Also, if you're going to watch Evangelion, watch the whole thing. Please.
also dont try too watch it in one sitting (it left me in a bit of a depressed state)
Ooh I did that, it's odd isn't it? Though I felt much better about going to school the following day.
I was already pretty depressed (I got bullied ALLOT around the time I watched it)
 
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mirasiel said:
Lets see you've started off with 'dear nerds', you've waved your film student credentials around like we care what difference that would make to *our* opinions and you've really nicely dissed your girlfriend as apparently some brainless ditz only worthy as, what arm candy?

You've even failed in basic logic that if you start in the middle of something you are probably not going to understand a damn thing.

Yeah, troll-a-riffic.

if you dont like bebop based on its music score and animation alone then you probably have no soul :)
Are you calling me a misogynist, boy?
 

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Aby_Z said:
Your first mistake is going to an anime club. Those are rarely ever good.

Anime is just another form of entertainment, and just like your standard Western films, there's a lot of shit. It's also not going to make much sense if you start watching half way through instead of from the beginning.

You've got to search through for some of the better gems instead of watching the amazing amount of shit that comes out of the industry.
This.

If you want a good place to start OP, I would look no further than 10 films by a guy named Hayao Miyazaki.
 

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Texas America Murphy said:
D Moness said:
well like they say different taste for different people.

Just as easy as to explain What is so great about books? (or movies or gaming or american animation)
But you can objectively quantify the qualities of the things. "Books are great because they allow for serious long form character explanation and a handling of emotions and sensory inputs that an otherwise constraining visual medium like film disallows."

bobby1361 said:
To be fair, watching a couple of episodes isn't enough either, your description of Code Geass, well, it explains that Britania is the worlds Super-power and are taking over Japan, also known as Area 11.
That is silly.

Sturmdolch said:
Beats me, but a lot of people like it. I personally hate it, and the entire sub-culture it's spawned of weeaboo Japanophiles that would probably get made fun of if they ever went to Japan. But it's preference, that's all. I'll laugh at you for liking it, but you might laugh at me for liking Harry Potter and Tron.

You're a film student with an avatar from an old western film. There are a lot of people that will say the same thing about westerns that you said about anime. They make no sense, they're boring, they're self-indulgent, and they go no where. Of course, I disagree, but that's the beauty of humanity: we can have individual opinions.

But one factor behind the success of anime is definitely the recent idea that anything that Japan does or makes is automatically awesome and superior to anything "western". I'm not sure where this came from. Go ahead and like anime because you enjoy the story, or the art style. But it's very annoying to hear "because it's from Japan!!!" as a reason for liking something or thinking it's better.
Right, but how did we get from "Japan is a country we nuked" to "Japan makes the bestest movies ever!"

Like, I've met some people on the internet who get really really up in arms about anime.

Also Sergio Leon movies are objectively good and make perfect sense and anyone who disagrees with that assertion is scientifically wrong.
I think that Britania is just a standin for "Western world" and the thing is ruled by one guy. And that one guy wants to rule the world so ofcourse his gonna capture every country. Not so much Brittian wanting to invade Japan as one guy wanting world domination.
 
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Cowboy Bebop Update Whatever:

So just Spike ambushed the Outlaw Guy wearing a poncho and sombraro for no reason than the show writers felt the need to go "HEY YOU GUYS WE JUST LOVE SERGIO LEONE COWBOY MOVIES AND NOIR MOVIES TOO GET IT THATS WHY ITS CALLED COWBOY BEBOP!" But then Kung Fu happens and its all "BUT WE ALSO LIKE RETURN OF THE DRAGON! ARN'T WE UNIQUE LITTLE SNOWFLAKES!?"

Alright Cowboy Bebop so do I but you don't me hollering it from my goddamn roof.
 

mirasiel

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Texas America Murphy said:
Are you calling me a misogynist, boy?
No I was calling you a troll, I was just implying that you're probably not a good boyfriend.


Now Im just thinking you're a pretentious 19 year old kid who thinks because he's read some books for class he's master of all knowledge on the subject and now is looking for an internet forum to worship his e-peen.

Its cute really.