What is to be considered an "unfair" weapon?

[fix-the-spade]

Player level 84 has put in his time and earned the instagibbing death prod.
He worked for it, he deserves it, it's fair.

That is the correct answer.

I read your post, but all I could see was "Bawww he dun played this game more than me bawww,"
More experienced players wil have better guns than you. You may not like it but you can't say it's not fair, it would be unfair the reward for their efforts and dedication was something so flawed it was practically useless.

Those Resistance perks/weapons are interesting, but a superweapon with so many flaws you may as well use something else is pointless. Where's the incentive?

 

[FireFury]

Personally, i hate the P90 in CoD4.

And no, it does not take skill to aquire (Meh, englishfail) all it takes is playing the game enough.

I also think the RPG in CoD4 is underpowered and the pistols can shoot way to fast. Face it, COD4 is no balanced game.

 

[ParkourMcGhee]

An advanced Yithian directed-energy weapon from CoCCotE. If that thing was in any other game (bearing in mind charged up it can take out mutant overpowered fishmen in one shot, has no/infinite ammo and practically no recharge timer) it would be overpowered as hell. I'd pay to see somebody be able to use that in CS or COD games.

 

[Wargamer]

I'm a retard.

That is the correct answer.

I read your post, but all I could see was "Bawww he dun played this game more than me bawww,"
More experienced players wil have better guns than you. You may not like it but you can't say it's not fair, it would be unfair the reward for their efforts and dedication was something so flawed it was practically useless.

Those Resistance perks/weapons are interesting, but a superweapon with so many flaws you may as well use something else is pointless. Where's the incentive?

You must be retarded, because not only can you not see whether something is fair or not, you also cannot see that just because something has a weakness doesn't make it useless.

Firstly, fair. Fair in gaming means everyone has a reasonable chance of success, discounting skill.

Note, that last bit is important. If you take ten players of equal skill, and assume average luck, then there should be virtually no difference in their performance. If there is a difference, and luck is not a factor, then one has an unfair advantage.

Your retarded rationale of "I played longer so I deserve to insta-gib noobs!" is fucked up. Take MGO. I have gone into games and won despite sub-optimal Skill Sets and using less than ideal weapons. That is because I was a more skilled player than my opponents; I was always one step ahead, I knew the map better, I knew the signs to watch out for and where I was likely to be ambushed. It was skill, not equipment, that won the day.

There is no way you can properly counter-balance skill, and you shouldn't. Weaker players should not get better gear to make up for it; that encourages laziness.

However, better players should not get better gear either - the combination of skill and power makes them all but untouchable for newcomers.

Now, you're probably too clueless to understand this, but let me tell you about a game called Rock, Paper, Scissors. Paper always loses to Scissors, but always beats Rock. Rock always beats Scissors, but always loses to Paper. Finally, Scissors always beats Paper, but always loses to Rock.

Resistance 2's Berserks are a variation on Rock, Paper, Scissors.
For example; Ironheart makes you harder to kill. Ring of Life trumps Ironheart because it makes you and your allies harder to kill. The Pulse Cannon trumps Ring of Life because the Ring of Life doesn't move, so you're a sitting duck. Invisibility trumps Pulse Cannon because he won't see you coming. Finally, Ironheart trumps Invisibility because he won't be able to kill you fast enough to stop you turning around and blowing his head off.

This is called "Balance".

 

[Nazulu]

I haven't come across many unfair weapon complaints, probably the first was the AWP, I can understand hate being killed in 1 shot. Then the Shield which came in CS 1.6, non of the guns could shoot through but thats all changed now.

Probably the only unfair weapons I came across was the Golden Gun in Golden Eye 64 and The Cow Launcher in South Park 64. Basically the guns that are so much better that they would be the only one you would want to go for making everything else obsolete.

 

[Soigieoto]

Rifle gernades, are kinda unfair.


At close quarters shot guns are kind of just aim and kill anything they touch.

I don't have many others to complain about.

 

[Trivun]

Actually, I came up with a great way to win on Halo 3 Forge games against my brother (split screen). Basically, I go into Forge Mode (so basically I become the Monitor), fly to a high vantage point, spawn a sniper rifle or a Spartan Laser, then return to normal mode and use it against him. From the right spot he can't hide anywhere on most maps. Valid tactic, using the game's own tools, and it's pretty effective too. Unfair though, I have to say...

 

[sabotstarr]

opps forgot the quote...see 4 posts up

ya but if what most people are taking about is cod4 for ur argument, then u can prestige and loose ur good weapons
(please don't call the grammar Nazi's)

 

[Tyler_Durden]

any one that uses gunpowder is cheap and noobish

 

[Horticulture]

(please don't call the grammar Nazi's)

We're already watching you.

 

[sabotstarr]

Damn.....oh well time to sit in my attic then until they go away (Crouches in corner)

 

[FalloutJack]

I hear people complain about Pred Discs in AVP games. Funny story about this, actually.

Private online game between three guys, myself and another against the third...because he's kinda' good at this. Earlier on, he'd decided to go the way of the Predator, find oneof those buzzaws discs, and cut us to ribbons. Okay. We dealt with that. Don't like your foe taking the easy one-shot-kill weapons? Post a looney to break 'em. That looney was me, and more fun was had, pissing him off when we broke every disc.

Every problem has a solution.

 

[Ace of Spades]

The only weapon I consider to be a noob weapon is if you use a turret in Call of Duty 4 multiplayer. Of course this is somewhat balanced by the fact that you attract a legion of snipers to headshot you.

 

[Inverse Skies]

The newest Smash Brothers with the smash ball. Depending on which character you are, the move can be really week or stupidly overpowered to the point of idiocy.

Take sonic's smash move for example. It makes him invincible and able to play anywhere on the map, killing people just by running into them. It's hugely overpowered. In contrast, someone like DK's, is very weak and can hardly knock anyone off.

They've designed it that way to lie in contrast to the characters power (DK is strong so weak smash ball move, sonic is weak so strong smash ball etc) but they should have focused on making the characters main attacks more even as having it the way they do can skew results and bring the game down to an element of luck

 

[uberpoi]

Player Level 1 has a choice of weapons between the shittiest pistol in the game, the shittiest rifle in the game, or the shittiest SMG in the game.

Player level 84 has access to an insta-gib Rapid-Firing Sniper Rifle that can punch through walls.

Explain where 'fair' comes into this.

Games that do not, from the off, put all players on a level playing field are not fair.

Player level 84 has put in his time and earned the instagibbing death prod.
He worked for it, he deserves it, it's fair.

Exactly everyone starts at level one so there is no excuse and what game are you basing this on. lv 84 insta-gib Rapid-Firing Sniper Rifle ? what is that

 

[CaptainPommby]

That big green laser thingy from Unreal Tournament 3

 

[brainless906]

A chainsaw gun, not a lancer, no. A gun that fires heat-seeking chainsaw missiles, rapidly.

THAT would be a broken weapon.

You say broken, I say awesome.

I say awesome too, until heat-seeking chainsaws are flying at my ass. Then I say broken!

Of course your ass is broken, you got a chainsaw stuck in it.

im thinking the proper term would be "pwnd"

 

[Ezzay]

The only weapon I have a grudge against is the grenade launcher in Call of Duty: Modern Warfare.

While this weapon is attainable by everyone from the moment they set foot into multilayer, it has become widely knows as the "Noob Tube". Where it takes almost zero amounts of skill to point it in the general direction of the enemy and clock up about 3-4 kills.

I don't use it, never have, I would rather down someone with an actual gun.

 

[shatnershaman]

Not really cheap I guess since everyone has it but the M6D (Halo 1 pistol) DOES have high power and one side of map-other side range. A gun really can't be cheap if everyone can use it, but it can still be annoying since everyone WILL use it.