Well, it's fanbase is ridiculously whiny, abrasive, etc...
Otherwise, idk. They take too long to release new ones?
Otherwise, idk. They take too long to release new ones?
What is wrong with the Final Fantasty series?
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I think first of all Squenix should write better, noticable music a decent plot that doesn't treat everything as a shocking development but knows its pacing.
While both suggestions may seem superficial for some, they are the reason I fell in love with the games in the first place. Both made such a big impact that I didn't mind grinding and played through every official FF game at least once. But everything after the 10th one lost big parts of the old magic. Seriously, play 'Lost Odyssey', 'The Last Story' or 'Xenoblade Chronicles' and you will see that they are a more worthy continuation of the Final Fantasy games that every official entry since part 9.
While both suggestions may seem superficial for some, they are the reason I fell in love with the games in the first place. Both made such a big impact that I didn't mind grinding and played through every official FF game at least once. But everything after the 10th one lost big parts of the old magic. Seriously, play 'Lost Odyssey', 'The Last Story' or 'Xenoblade Chronicles' and you will see that they are a more worthy continuation of the Final Fantasy games that every official entry since part 9.
That, in addition to the fact that Spoony outright says he *liked* final fantasy 7.Sheo_Dagana said:
I think The7sins is gravely missing the point of the spoony experiment. The point is a short retrospective of certain games and movies with strong highlights of their negative aspects for the sake of entertainment.
Watching Noah have a nervous breakdown over the Avatar forgetting what a paladin is is a lot more entertaining than him, say, waxing poetic about final fantasy's strong points.
Sorry to hijack the threat and whatnot, but I just had to ask.Aeonknight said:
I really, really want to give this game a chance, but seeing as there isn't a free month period (as far as I know) I just want to get some up-to-date info on this game.
Is it still as grindtastic as people claimed it was. I never really minded the level of grind WoW had.
Is it really as un-solo-able as people claim? I mean, MMO's are there to work together but some solo content is always nice.
These 20 jobs you mention, I always heard there were like 5-6 proper jobs and everything else was just terrible. Picked the wrong class, good luck getting a group.
I really want to try this game, but these points stop me.
Alot of those criticisms used to be valid years ago. The grind has been greatly reduced, along with the dependence on dedicated groups to get anything done. Things like XP have been streamlined, simply because... the grind was never that much fun to begin with.Ranorak said:
As for class priority... elitists are always going to play with the mentallity that only X jobs are important. The only jobs I can think of that are hurting at the moment are summoner, puppetmaster, and (somewhat) red mage. Every other job has it's own situational uses for different activities. No job is going to be useful EVERYWHERE, but that's what makes XI unique, you can play as many different jobs as you want.
If you want more details send me a PM, we've hijacked the thread long enough lol
Do people really think FF is really that bad? I just recently played through FF 10 for my second time and I forgot how much I liked it the first time. It made me wanna try FF 13, even though I see a lot of people saying it sucks. So yea, why do people think this series sucks?
My opinion?
The Final Fantasy franchise is as good as it always has been for me.
The ones I played (1,2,3,4,6,7,8,10,12)are all excellent games in their own rights, even story wise. Also, the story since 8 and onwards are excellent in my opinion (and 10 & 10-2's story links up very well).
The Final Fantasy franchise is as good as it always has been for me.
The ones I played (1,2,3,4,6,7,8,10,12)are all excellent games in their own rights, even story wise. Also, the story since 8 and onwards are excellent in my opinion (and 10 & 10-2's story links up very well).
Gameplay could use some innovation IMO. Something to spice things up and get people who aren't really into the series interested.
Then again they're still making money with what they're doing so it's not likely we'll see much change for fear of losing their main demographic.
Then again they're still making money with what they're doing so it's not likely we'll see much change for fear of losing their main demographic.
FF9 is my favorite game of all time because its silly and but still dark. i really do like the fixed character status, a black mage is just that, white mage, ect. games where i can choose, everyone turns into the exact same multi everything guy with the same swords/armour.
i actually liked FF12, im a person that doesnt really give a crap about story though. the game was HUGE with secrets everywhere. i played that damn game for a veerryy long time, did every quest and i STILL found hidden places and stuff. the adventure never ends haha. the battle system is hard to jump in a first but once you get the hang of it, its fun
voice acting kills it for me though for alot of games, especially Final Fantasy. i swear the english dubs are just random people Square pulled from the streets and didnt even pay them to read the script. terrible shit.
i actually liked FF12, im a person that doesnt really give a crap about story though. the game was HUGE with secrets everywhere. i played that damn game for a veerryy long time, did every quest and i STILL found hidden places and stuff. the adventure never ends haha. the battle system is hard to jump in a first but once you get the hang of it, its fun
voice acting kills it for me though for alot of games, especially Final Fantasy. i swear the english dubs are just random people Square pulled from the streets and didnt even pay them to read the script. terrible shit.
Hmmm...I can give you a few reasons, although my perspective is admittedly skewed. I haven't played a FF game front-to-back since VIII (I rented XIII, though). I watched a playthrough of XIII-2 online to see if it was worth checking out. Here are my guesses as to what's wrong:
1) Back in the 90's, when you picked up a Final Fantasy, you could be reasonably certain that the game you bought was the only story set in that universe/timeframe/etc. Beginning with VII, the popularity of the series demanded spinoffs, sequels and tie-ins that diluted the power and drive of the main story.
2) There's a...drive to the narrative that seems to be missing from most of the recent installments. Maybe it was Sakaguchi's departure, but when you played most of the older games, you had this driving storyline with lots of twists that felt organic to the plot, yet encouraged you to keep striving for the goal. That sense of thrust and purpose seems to be scaled back in most of the modern installments - XIII is a slogfest that only opens near the end of the game, and XIII-2 has you puttering around various eras until the plot forcibly kicks you back in during the last two missions.
3) This "sucks to be you" attitude from Square, both in the content of their games and their current DLC scheme. I can't be the only one who noticed the "secret" ending of Caius mocking Serah/the player by saying that what they've done means nothing - that's your reward for hundred-percent completion? Not to mention that the story is resolved in the Lightning DLC - got attached to Serah? Whoops, she really did die! It smacks of heavy-handedness and a callous disregarded for story progression when the company does everything in its power to make the player as irate as possible.
4) Square, much like Bioware and several other RPG developers these days, seems to have a knack for taking gameplay elements that work and either unnecessarily messing with them or removing them entirely.
5) The plots in the recent games just seem to be more of the same old "end of the world" routines. Plucky hero/heroine has to escape imminent destruction, teams up with squadmates that are borderline too quirky for their own good, the requisite third-act plot twist and a giant nonsensical boss battle before 20 minutes of droning cutscenes that barely resolve anything. I miss the Final Fantasy VI-type ending, where you were working to save the world after it had been destroyed, and every character got closure and hope without it being too maudlin (as evidenced by XIII-2's ridiculous pop song finale).
That's all I've got.
1) Back in the 90's, when you picked up a Final Fantasy, you could be reasonably certain that the game you bought was the only story set in that universe/timeframe/etc. Beginning with VII, the popularity of the series demanded spinoffs, sequels and tie-ins that diluted the power and drive of the main story.
2) There's a...drive to the narrative that seems to be missing from most of the recent installments. Maybe it was Sakaguchi's departure, but when you played most of the older games, you had this driving storyline with lots of twists that felt organic to the plot, yet encouraged you to keep striving for the goal. That sense of thrust and purpose seems to be scaled back in most of the modern installments - XIII is a slogfest that only opens near the end of the game, and XIII-2 has you puttering around various eras until the plot forcibly kicks you back in during the last two missions.
3) This "sucks to be you" attitude from Square, both in the content of their games and their current DLC scheme. I can't be the only one who noticed the "secret" ending of Caius mocking Serah/the player by saying that what they've done means nothing - that's your reward for hundred-percent completion? Not to mention that the story is resolved in the Lightning DLC - got attached to Serah? Whoops, she really did die! It smacks of heavy-handedness and a callous disregarded for story progression when the company does everything in its power to make the player as irate as possible.
4) Square, much like Bioware and several other RPG developers these days, seems to have a knack for taking gameplay elements that work and either unnecessarily messing with them or removing them entirely.
5) The plots in the recent games just seem to be more of the same old "end of the world" routines. Plucky hero/heroine has to escape imminent destruction, teams up with squadmates that are borderline too quirky for their own good, the requisite third-act plot twist and a giant nonsensical boss battle before 20 minutes of droning cutscenes that barely resolve anything. I miss the Final Fantasy VI-type ending, where you were working to save the world after it had been destroyed, and every character got closure and hope without it being too maudlin (as evidenced by XIII-2's ridiculous pop song finale).
That's all I've got.
I'm just going to ignore your complaints and talk about my own beefs with the series.
I still love some of the older final fantasy games, like 5 and 6. They were epic fantasy games with characters that were developed enough to avoid being cardboard cutouts, and with a pretty good story behind them. They also had consistent and solid game mechanics and combat systems. Unfortunately they started getting the balance all wrong in newer games. Either the story would be really interesting but the game mechanics would suck (FF12), or the mechanics would be solid but the characters would be beyond irritating (FFX) or you'd have innovative mechanics that didn't quite work out in practice (FF8)[footnote]The junctioning and GF system were interesting ways to make a magic system. Not particularly GOOD ways in terms of fun gameplay as it means all your best spells aren't really useful, but I give them credit for trying[/footnote]. I can't speak for 13 or 13-2 as I stopped buying into the series after getting sick of 12's ridiculous excuse for a combat system.
IMO what Squeenix has repeatedly failed to do is present a balanced package of enjoyable gameplay and decent story and characters. They don't even manage to be bland about it either, if one aspect seems good, the other will be way off into the endless mountains of fuckupdom where they can at best be barely tolerated and at worst make the game unplayable.
I still love some of the older final fantasy games, like 5 and 6. They were epic fantasy games with characters that were developed enough to avoid being cardboard cutouts, and with a pretty good story behind them. They also had consistent and solid game mechanics and combat systems. Unfortunately they started getting the balance all wrong in newer games. Either the story would be really interesting but the game mechanics would suck (FF12), or the mechanics would be solid but the characters would be beyond irritating (FFX) or you'd have innovative mechanics that didn't quite work out in practice (FF8)[footnote]The junctioning and GF system were interesting ways to make a magic system. Not particularly GOOD ways in terms of fun gameplay as it means all your best spells aren't really useful, but I give them credit for trying[/footnote]. I can't speak for 13 or 13-2 as I stopped buying into the series after getting sick of 12's ridiculous excuse for a combat system.
IMO what Squeenix has repeatedly failed to do is present a balanced package of enjoyable gameplay and decent story and characters. They don't even manage to be bland about it either, if one aspect seems good, the other will be way off into the endless mountains of fuckupdom where they can at best be barely tolerated and at worst make the game unplayable.
wait... So there were voice actors for the first 9 games?Cedric Rolle III said:
I must have either missed that, or be selectively deaf.
after all the first 6 were the best, 7 was alright, and 9 was decent... 8 was just... different...
YES, someone else feels it to. It's now like I want the male character to be like gears of war. I want the to not complain, moan and graon in the middle of the fight for their lives.Rawne1980 said:
What went wrong... they tried telling people what they want rather than listening.
Seriously i tried, REALLY TRIED to play FF13 but after 3 hours of mashing "auto" and having to put no thought into the fights i couldn't be fucked.
Not to mention the story was horrendus to begin with
For me personally the last final fantasy i played to the end and enjoyed was 10 and even ff10 was pushing it abit for me :/.
Seriously i tried, REALLY TRIED to play FF13 but after 3 hours of mashing "auto" and having to put no thought into the fights i couldn't be fucked.
Not to mention the story was horrendus to begin with
For me personally the last final fantasy i played to the end and enjoyed was 10 and even ff10 was pushing it abit for me :/.
I have FF 13 also. The auto is so awful. It just makes me mad! I want choice and options.Rastien said:What went wrong... they tried telling people what they want rather than listening.
Seriously i tried, REALLY TRIED to play FF13 but after 3 hours of mashing "auto" and having to put no thought into the fights i couldn't be fucked.
Not to mention the story was horrendus to begin with
For me personally the last final fantasy i played to the end and enjoyed was 10 and even ff10 was pushing it abit for me :/.
To bring my point home... i spent £3 on Rain Slick Precipise of Darkness 3 and i have played this for 12+ hours and i fucking love the combat in this game (mostly because its based off grandia).Cedric Rolle III said:I have FF 13 also. The auto is so awful. It just makes me mad! I want choice and options.Rastien said:What went wrong... they tried telling people what they want rather than listening.
Seriously i tried, REALLY TRIED to play FF13 but after 3 hours of mashing "auto" and having to put no thought into the fights i couldn't be fucked.
Not to mention the story was horrendus to begin with
For me personally the last final fantasy i played to the end and enjoyed was 10 and even ff10 was pushing it abit for me :/.
Old school graphics no voice acting no CGI cut scenes and imo its VASTLY superiour to FF13 which in itself is depressing :/
Rastien said:To bring my point home... i spent £3 on Rain Slick Precipise of Darkness 3 and i have played this for 12+ hours and i fucking love the combat in this game (mostly because its based off grandia).Cedric Rolle III said:I have FF 13 also. The auto is so awful. It just makes me mad! I want choice and options.Rastien said:What went wrong... they tried telling people what they want rather than listening.
Seriously i tried, REALLY TRIED to play FF13 but after 3 hours of mashing "auto" and having to put no thought into the fights i couldn't be fucked.
Not to mention the story was horrendus to begin with
For me personally the last final fantasy i played to the end and enjoyed was 10 and even ff10 was pushing it abit for me :/.
Old school graphics no voice acting no CGI cut scenes and imo its VASTLY superiour to FF13 which in itself is depressing :/
Is the game only for PC or is it on PSN & XBLA?