ZiggyE said:
Mikeyfell said:
I have a problem with this sentiment and I always have. If Clannad was never supposed to be a tragedy the writers are very bad at their job. People saying that holds just about as much credibility as someone saying Human Centipede is supposed to be a feel good comedy.
Translation: It didn't turn out the way I expected and/or wanted it to thus the writers are bad.
Does not compute, sorry.
The ending has nothing to do with it. If you sit down with the intention to wright something that is not a tragedy and end up with Clannad (minus the last episode) you simply do not know what the word "Tragedy" means. They got sad down to a science and beat it into us (Me only, apparently) relentlessly. There is no way that that was anything but tragic.
Yes Clannad is not an archetypical tragedy. that's why it's so good. But if you're trying to convince me Clannad isn't a tragedy why not also try and convince me that Star Wars isn't a SiFi film.
If something isn't an archetypical tragedy then it isn't a tragedy at all. Somethings need to be there for it to be a part of the genre. Clannad lacks most, if not all of these things. You're confusing archetypical with stereotypical.
^^
I never actually read the Manga, so let me get this strait. Those episodes are actually canonical in the Manga? There is actually part of the main story where he falls for Kyou and Tomoyo? I never got that impression from watching the series.
The manga is irrelevant. The source material for Clannad is the Visual Novel, which is different from the manga. But yes, the Kyou and Tomoyo arcs are canon in the visual novel, as are all the other heroine arcs which are seperate from Nagisa's arc (most of which are included as part of Nagisa's arc, minus the romance for obvious reasons, in the anime). These are allowed to be canon as both the anime and the Visual Novel explain the concept of Multiple Worlds. Each individual heroine arc allows Tomoya to collect an additional light orb and the Visual Novel cannot be completed until all of them have been achieved which allows you to unlock the True End. [/quote]
Anyway this is the interesting part
The Clannad
Visual Novels, which are not mangas, have multiple alternate timelines running simultaneously? That actually sounds pretty cool. It's a shame that that was never mentioned in the Anime series which is what I watched and am talking about. So it's not poorly written it's just poorly adapted, which makes a lot of sense because adaptations rarely ever turn out good.
but now do me a favor and step out of your little bubble where you have read the visual novels and can't function with out happy endings, and try to look at the last episodes from an outsiders perspective. Does that ending not seem out of place in a story like that.
This guy marries his sickly highschool sweetheart and ends up killing her in the act of creating a child that he doesn't know what to do with. All the while he's the only one that's standing in the way of his own happiness while everyone around him wants him to succeed. He finally gives in and accepts happiness just in time for karma to drive the final nail into the coffin of misery that he's been creating around himself and then -Click- happily ever after. What? where did that come from? It was such a jarring emotional neutralizer that, like flipping a switch, snapped me out of 6 hours of weeping into wracking my brain trying to figure out why that made any fucking sense.
I do have to admit that if I saw that end coming I wouldn't have been half as emotionally invested in the last part of After Story. So I doubt that I would like the visual novels anywhere near as much as I liked the first 48 episodes of the Anime.
