What is your definition of art?/why do you consider video games and movies art?

[shadow_Fox81]

i think art is more a statement of quality in something which was created by human hands which is both explorative and enlightening to understanding the things which occupy a collective human consciousness.

but of course then subjectivity rears its ugly pustule ridden face from the depraved depths of popculture, someone will always argue i am wrong to make art exclusive but i won;t change that (which they can).

i guess art is about standards and exclusivity and depth of thought.

but of course art has to understand its irrelevant that it is infact a falsehood, poor art will never get this (Andy Warhol, High School musical, Twilight and i guess the majority of modern games).


picasso explains art best "art is a lie to reveal the truth", i personally just expect my art to be the best of lies and know it.

 

[shadow_Fox81]

I don't know, but I do know one thing; if you have to justify it, it's not art.

thats very interesting and i'd like it to be true but it really isn't, i'd give examples but i'll assume you know the ones i'm talking about.

 

[Brawndo]

I have trouble considering games art because of things like numerical ratings systems and hardcore fanboyism

 

[Canadamus Prime]

I don't know, but I do know one thing; if you have to justify it, it's not art.

thats very interesting and i'd like it to be true but it really isn't, i'd give examples but i'll assume you know the ones i'm talking about.

Perhaps I should clarify. I was referring mostly to the douche who put an external hard drive on a pedestal and claimed it was art. That is not art, that is a hard drive on a pedestal. None of the content on the drive was even created by him, not that anyone could see it anyway. It's like if I went to my local landfill, pointed at some random pile of trash and said "Look, art."
EDIT:

I have trouble considering games art because of things like numerical ratings systems and hardcore fanboyism

You think other things that are considered art don't have fanboys/girls. I'd wager big money that they do. I know comic books/graphic novels do, films do, and I wouldn't doubt that traditional paintings and painters do too; as well as whole artistic movements.

 

[Gloomsta]

So I created my own definition of art; Art is any self expression of emotion through media. To me art is for the benefit of the artist, and if anyone else gets something out of it that's great. If it means something to to person who made it, congratulations it's art.

If there is no regard for an audience i think id call it self indulgence lol.

This is pretty much my way of saying I really don't get some of the things that people consider Art, and that's ok because it doesn't matter if I "get" it. However this leaves me in a predicament; video games and movies are made by very large groups of people. And at the end of the day, what does a finished video game mean to one of the people that worked on it. Sure it represents months if not years of hard work, sweat and tears. But does it have a personal enough meaning to pass my definition of art? The same can be said of movies; so there must be something missing in my definition of art.

Movies potray messages and meanings. I dont really know any meaningful video games lol.

So here I am trying to expand my definition of art, to rationalize video games and movies as art.

So what is your definition of art, what is included in that, what isn't. Do you consider your self an artist? Why? What makes a person an artist?

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Also is art subjective? Can something be art to one person, but not to another? Or does one person thinking something is art, qualify it as art forever?

To me art is about perspective, a world view, a concern about something that relates to people and the world, and perhaps something that raises new questions.

Philosophy,Painting,Sculpture,Literature,Movies etc, its all an expression of how people feel(about the world, or something in life).

So Nietzche had a perspective of the world ,Van Gogh loved the poor people and their way of life so he expressed that in painting,Fight Club critises the consumerist lifestyle.

Without a perspective or a message, art is not art anymore. It just becomes Design. There is nothing wrong with design, it serves a purpose, but a diffrent purpose than art. Art isnt superior, art is simply Human expression of their concerns,beliefs and perspective about the world.

EDIT: Art is subjective in its meaning and quality, some cultures value something else more, and ones mans trash another mans treasure. I honestly do not like classical paintings despite the artists brilliant technical ability.

There are certain objective rules to design id wager, such as technicality and quality of composition (putting stuff together ,you wouldnt put all of your furniture into one corner on top of each other, most people have their furniture spread out in a balanced way).

Myself im doing art at univeristy.

 

[Gloomsta]

i think art is more a statement of quality in something which was created by human hands which is both explorative and enlightening to understanding the things which occupy a collective human consciousness.

but of course then subjectivity rears its ugly pustule ridden face from the depraved depths of popculture, someone will always argue i am wrong to make art exclusive but i won;t change that (which they can).

i guess art is about standards and exclusivity and depth of thought.

but of course art has to understand its irrelevant that it is infact a falsehood, poor art will never get this (Andy Warhol, High School musical, Twilight and i guess the majority of modern games).


picasso explains art best "art is a lie to reveal the truth", i personally just expect my art to be the best of lies and know it.

I dont think you "get" Andy Warhol, from what ive seen and read.. is that he wanted to bring in "low brow" pop culture to the art world, i think part of his art was to question the snobbery of the art world. Why should Hip Hop be considered lower than Classical music?

He was also capturing the feeling of American commercialism and obsession with Glamour, he played around with it, he admitted to loving commercialism and glamour, but i think he also questioned it.

 

[Gloomsta]

I consider art to be anything that makes me stop to appreciate it

That could easily be design. Which is diffrent from art.

 

[Gloomsta]

Art is anything that requires creativity to produce,

Does that make mechanical inventions such as a car or a toaster art? It was certainly creative to come up with those.

I think your confusing the words "design" and "art".

 

[pppppppppppppppppp]

According to Wikipedia, ART is an acronym for American Refrigerator Transit Company, a St. Louis, Missouri-based private refrigerator car line established in 1881 by the Missouri Pacific and Wabash railroads. It is now a subsidiary of the Union Pacific Corporation.

Hope that helps. :3

 

[e033x]

What art is is entirely subjective, but here's my view:

I consider something art when the artist tries to express something with whatever he/she is doing, and has the skill in the preferred medium to actually express it, rather than just doing it. Like a musician is creating art when hes shaping the music to the expression he/she wants, but if he's/she's just playing whats on the sheet-music, its not art.

(Hooray for gender-neutral writing!)

 

[BlackWidower]

Art is anything that requires creativity to produce,

Does that make mechanical inventions such as a car or a toaster art? It was certainly creative to come up with those.

I think your confusing the words "design" and "art".

The device in and of itself, no. The toaster and car are basically tools, and inventions used for a specific purpose and developed and designed through a logical process of scientific development, and trial and error. Sometimes a toaster can be art, if it is designed from an artistic point of view. But most often then not, no.

 

[Gloomsta]

Art is anything that requires creativity to produce,

Does that make mechanical inventions such as a car or a toaster art? It was certainly creative to come up with those.

I think your confusing the words "design" and "art".

The device in and of itself, no. The toaster and car are basically tools, and inventions used for a specific purpose and developed and designed through a logical process of scientific development, and trial and error. Sometimes a toaster can be art, if it is designed from an artistic point of view. But most often then not, no.

A toaster can be beautifully designed, but beautiful design falls short of the definition of art.

However i do agree that a toaster can be used or built for art.

But being creative can often involve being a good inventor or good designer. Design and Art are close, but still seperate.

 

[DarkRyter]

The conscious arrangement of elements for a specific purpose.

Video Games. Elements= Music, Programming, visual art, principles of design. Arranged in a certain fashion, for a certain purpose.

Edit: I'm gonna be honest, so I admit I got this definition from an episode of Spongebob.

 

[ReinWeisserRitter]

I don't consider video games or movies art.

Also, everything is subjective. Everything.

 

[Nudu]

Something which envokes some emotional reponse and/or give some insight into the human condition.

 

[GryffinDarkBreed]

I have never heard art defined. Ever, and whenever I ask an artist they always\without fail give me a really weird answer that doesn't really click with me.

So I created my own definition of art; Art is any self expression of emotion through media. To me art is for the benefit of the artist, and if anyone else gets something out of it that's great. If it means something to to person who made it, congratulations it's art.

This is pretty much my way of saying I really don't get some of the things that people consider Art, and that's ok because it doesn't matter if I "get" it. However this leaves me in a predicament; video games and movies are made by very large groups of people. And at the end of the day, what does a finished video game mean to one of the people that worked on it. Sure it represents months if not years of hard work, sweat and tears. But does it have a personal enough meaning to pass my definition of art? The same can be said of movies; so there must be something missing in my definition of art.

So here I am trying to expand my definition of art, to rationalize video games and movies as art.

So what is your definition of art, what is included in that, what isn't. Do you consider your self an artist? Why? What makes a person an artist?

Edit

Also is art subjective? Can something be art to one person, but not to another? Or does one person thinking something is art, qualify it as art forever?

Art can only truly be defined by the one consuming it. Personally yes, some games ARE art, but not all. Shovelware is not art. Gears of War, for better or worse -is-. It is dramatic, it has a story to tell, it has characters that do gradually develop, etc.

 

[ReinWeisserRitter]

According to you, anyway.

 

[Robert Ewing]

I think Movies are art, I think good drawings and painting is art, I think video games are art.

But video games take art so much further. All of the art involved in video games if you look close enough is just staggering! The concept art, the textures, the visual styling.

Now I don't want to get art confused with art forms. Like most people tend to do as at some point in the early 20th century they seemed to blend it in to make a harmonious mix.

Art forms are stuff like music, and sushi making. Art as itself is a purely visual standpoint.

I absolutely hate 'modern art.' Purely because it's the most poorly presented, pointless, un-exuberant most worthless pieces of dribble ever conceived by anything... Let's be honest, modern art only exists because of would be individual social elitists trying to act cool around their rich friends. So they show their surplus amounts of cash by buying the most 'different' thing claiming to be art. The very sad thing is, that it caught on...

And now genuine art is rather frowned upon and belittled, while rusty tin cans that are plentiful in an Indian landfill site are worth more than Belgium.

Video games, movies, painting is art, because it is a scene. It is a picture. Whether it is sending out a message of realism, or surrealism, it sends out a clear and often powerful message. Artsy films like Fight Club and V for Vendetta do it well in the film world. The Mona Lisa and The Sunflower in the painting world. And truly epic visual narratives like Limbo, Okami, Metal Gear Solid, Bioshock, Skyrim, and Minecraft. Those are the games that take art to a new level. The narrative that is told through visuals, the amount of architecture that the levels contain, the graphical fidelity, and the most important thing, the creativity of the player to make their own experience theirs.