And at least F-Zero gets the "Smash memes" treatment.Drathnoxis said:
Wave Race and 1080, though, don't even get that much.
And at least F-Zero gets the "Smash memes" treatment.Drathnoxis said:
Time to close GID now, then?TopazFusion said:(As an aside, we saw a repeat of this when the GID subforum was created, because there were lots of complaints from people who were sick of seeing gamergate threads everywhere, and there were enough gamergate threads at the time to warrant their own subforum.)
*yawn* You're going to make me have to be serious about all this huh? Alright. The fact of the matter is that I think both of us are on the same side anyways, so the back and forth of any conversation is without any major conflict. We both would rather have R&P and WW open. For different reasons mind, but you're right, I shouldn't use you as a prop. Even if you're great for it.Lil devils x said:1) do not put words in my mouth. If we do not have R&P we still discuss these things, just it happened in other forums on this site, still does from time to time. Usually Mods move those threads to R&P eventually though. That is why R&P was created in the first place. R&P is not there "to find out who is racist". it is there to discuss policy implementation and current events that affect people's actual lives. You may think that is what it is for, but the people having actual discussions in there do not. I always start out from the position that people are not racist, sexist, or even an arse until they give me a good enough reason to believe otherwise.
Your entire view of "picking at people" rather than actually weighing pros and cons of different policies and expanding understating of the topics being discussed is probably why we do not see you participate more in the actual conversations as that is not what it is about at all. I generally do not treat people any different on here than I do in person. Some of those that actually do know me in person have told me that I am actually nicer online. Maybe that is because I have the delete button here and can remove what I wrote before posting it and IRL I do not.
R&P topics appearing outside of R&P does not suggest it is outside the realm of governance, but instead that topics that are considered to be R&P are intertwined in every facet of life, including gaming and numerous other subjects due to the real world impact of what our governments choose to do. There are crossovers all over he place thus why such topic appear in numerous forums as well. There is no issue " governing" R&P topics, instead the same rules apply to every other aspect of the forums.Armadox said:*yawn* You're going to make me have to be serious about all this huh? Alright. The fact of the matter is that I think both of us are on the same side anyways, so the back and forth of any conversation is without any major conflict. We both would rather have R&P and WW open. For different reasons mind, but you're right, I shouldn't use you as a prop. Even if you're great for it.Lil devils x said:1) do not put words in my mouth. If we do not have R&P we still discuss these things, just it happened in other forums on this site, still does from time to time. Usually Mods move those threads to R&P eventually though. That is why R&P was created in the first place. R&P is not there "to find out who is racist". it is there to discuss policy implementation and current events that affect people's actual lives. You may think that is what it is for, but the people having actual discussions in there do not. I always start out from the position that people are not racist, sexist, or even an arse until they give me a good enough reason to believe otherwise.
Your entire view of "picking at people" rather than actually weighing pros and cons of different policies and expanding understating of the topics being discussed is probably why we do not see you participate more in the actual conversations as that is not what it is about at all. I generally do not treat people any different on here than I do in person. Some of those that actually do know me in person have told me that I am actually nicer online. Maybe that is because I have the delete button here and can remove what I wrote before posting it and IRL I do not.
The idea that R&P would just bleed into Off Topic suggests that R&P is outside the realm of governance. That you can't keep it in check via mod control. Banning it out right wouldn't stop anyone. And if there's no agency there then it's not really modded, but only has the theater of being controlled. I feel the same would be from banning WW like this. You stop the symptoms, but the infection is still there. Giving people their own space to do something minimizes the contact you have with those conversations elsewhere. Video games have started using tools to match trolls with trolls, so this isn't an isolated incident to just here. You'd think merely not going into WW and looking at their stuff would be enough to protect yourself from whatever stupid shit they have in there. Like not going to R&P means you don't have to deal with someone arguing politics in your "Best Kool-aid flavor" thread.
The mods treat R&P as some unyielding stone here. Some fixed point in the forum that is beyond their ability to end or reel in, and that's what irks me. So many people came to the defense of WW because they thought it deserved to be there. Just like you have given reasons R&P should exist. I think removing R&P outright would sure, lead to a few bans on the onset and a lot of warnings from a mod team that'd have to focus a bit on Off-topic, but it'd bleed out of conversation on here, just like you don't talk politics to people on the street. You'd adapt to it not being there.
So yes, I realize I'm using "ban R&P" in more a "Modest Proposal" sense, I don't think it SHOULD happen. What I think is that R&P is seen as inevitable so no one chooses to touch it even if it is the reason for the most bans in this forum, and creates lasting grudges that bled over into WW as call out threads. Most any pros and cons made to R&P's continued existence could be made for WW. Shitposting exists, it had a place for it that wasn't in Off-Topic. They're not going away.
As far as my participation in R&P, occasionally I'll find something that amuses me and for little else will I post. Mostly because my philosophy is that it's a crutch. It's a crutch used by those without the ability to change their situation to vent in a means that accomplishes nothing. It's popping bubble wrap rather then using that moment posting here to participate in the actual world at your local level. You might get a minor consideration on the rare occasion from a forum member, but so often it's become a miasma of tribalism and talking into your own asshole. So why take it seriously? Posting news as it shows up, and collectively bitching about it is cathartic.
IRL I take money from all political parties to make up the signs and banners and what not all the time, and have come to realize that the only real ideology I have is "don't hurt the most amount of people you can, while still making money." That's it. That's as deep as I get usually. I wouldn't have to pay it any more attention then that if it was functioning in any sort of capacity, so I tend to be a bit more broad stroked about things.
Shutting down WW like this wasn't fair play. It wasn't aligned with the communities response.
I think you have a somewhat narrow view of anime. I consider myself a weeb, I love the stuff... even though the things you've mentioned tick me off (except for some waifus maybe). Those are also not the only issues with anime, sexism is rampant in general - the moe archetype in particular is both widespread and, if you think about it, pretty damn toxic, and the problems continue behind the screen, where female VAs are paid significantly less from what I hear, racist/jingoist stereotyping is much more common in anime as well, aside from writing which sometimes achieves downright mythical levels of shittery, some tropes are also stupid AF and important research is sometimes just not done (IE any time I've heard philosophy of law discussed in anime so far, it's crucial to the plot and I would've been better off... not hearing it, I guess?) and don't even get me started on some titles that serve as thinly veiled commercials for one particular branch of Japanese industry or another...Souplex said:No, if you take out the Waifus, fanservice, and bad writing, it'd be Fire Emblem again. Most people play it because they like the gameplay, and they merely tolerate the weebery.
Well, I'll get to the rest of that later. My gut response would be "I don't have to talk about the justifications of the Banana Wars to enjoy my fucking banana", but beyond that. This is.. Are you doing a skit where you agree with me by disagreeing? Cause it sounds like your defense of me saying banning all R&P would work is "Everything's political, man." which means it's not possible for people to separate R&P from discussion. Meaning it's going to leak through other forums regardless of the rules.Lil devils x said:R&P topics appearing outside of R&P does not suggest it is outside the realm of governance, but instead that topics that are considered to be R&P are intertwined in every facet of life
No, being the first game to actually be advertised, and coming out when there wasn't really anything else for the 3DS is what saved the series. Awakening would've sold just as well if not better without the Weeb taint.LostGryphon said:The weeb shit is literally what saved the series.Souplex said:Weebery is ultra-niche too. Let's get it out of that niche so it's more accessible to the public.American Tanker said:Two of those things are what enabled the series to become as popular as it is today. You really want to take those out? Just because you don't like them?Souplex said:*SNIP*
The bad writing, that's mostly because "localizers" don't understand their place and are trying to push agenda bullshit instead of translating accurately. That needs to be dealt with. But outside of that one issue that's not really the fault of the developers, you're really saying that you want the series to go back to being ultra-niche?
And no, translating shit badly is not what makes it shit. FE 7-10 had stories and writing that ranged from solid to amazing
I don't mean in terms of quality. I mean in terms of sales.
Good grief, Soup, really? You think the advertising would have been remotely as effective WITHOUT the waifus?Souplex said:No, being the first game to actually be advertised, and coming out when there wasn't really anything else for the 3DS is what saved the series. Awakening would've sold just as well if not better without the Weeb taint.
Yes. Advertising wouldn't make Conception II not a niche weeb waifu-fest.American Tanker said:Good grief, Soup, really? You think the advertising would have been remotely as effective WITHOUT the waifus?Souplex said:No, being the first game to actually be advertised, and coming out when there wasn't really anything else for the 3DS is what saved the series. Awakening would've sold just as well if not better without the Weeb taint.
That just doesn't compute.
Really. Huh. Well, about that [http://www.escapistmagazine.com/forums/read/18.1055208-Hey-guys-Im-a-furry?page=3#24239736]....Souplex said:At the bottom we have Weebs, Furries, Militant PC gamers, Larpers, and any other group that could be classified as "Chan Scum".