What the hell Civ V AI?
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You can liberate the captured city states. I think that other civs might even vote for you if they are wiped out and you liberate them.Spygon said:
first of all i loved Civ games, there is not a feeling like nuking a civilization that just discovered gunpowder. that said i think that the best AI (or the least retarded) is the Total war series (rome total war, total war Empire.....ets) what do you guys think?
I knew the AI sucked just back when I played the demo. Wiped out Rome on the other side of the map without a sweat on Emperor within the 100 turn limit.
That shouldn't happen on the 2nd highest difficulty for a player just barely getting familiar with new system.
That shouldn't happen on the 2nd highest difficulty for a player just barely getting familiar with new system.
I hate it when my scouts trespasses territories like it's their own, almost every city-states are angry at me now lol
I usually try to stay on good terms with the AI controlled Civs, but it feels pretty much impossible. And it seems like they are only interested in one thing when it comes to talking with me: what is my score? If I got 400 points and they got 200, then they either automatically call me a war monger (regardless of what I have done) or want me open my borders and trade with them. These trades are rarely of any great benefit, as the AI really wants everything and the kitchen sink for every single luxury import.
I have progressed to playing on Prince (level 4), but it's starting to be a little hard to get on with everyone. I don't get nearly as many luxury items near my cities compared to the lower difficulty settings and everyone else is unwilling to trade with me, except with those previously mentioned exorbitant prices. It almost seems like the way they keep churning out Wonders, offering me crap trade deals and insulting me, like the game AI wants me to go on the warpath. Just conquer everyone one civilization after another!
I mean, seriously, how do you keep your own Civ's happiness from going negative when you don't have that many luxury items, no one will trade you for them and the buildings that produce happiness start adding up a whole lot of upkeep? I can usually make five or six cities on my own, but after that my economy and happiness are in the crapper without much else to do except wait for Wonders and money producing buildings to finish building.
I got to go read a strategy guide for this game...
I have progressed to playing on Prince (level 4), but it's starting to be a little hard to get on with everyone. I don't get nearly as many luxury items near my cities compared to the lower difficulty settings and everyone else is unwilling to trade with me, except with those previously mentioned exorbitant prices. It almost seems like the way they keep churning out Wonders, offering me crap trade deals and insulting me, like the game AI wants me to go on the warpath. Just conquer everyone one civilization after another!
I mean, seriously, how do you keep your own Civ's happiness from going negative when you don't have that many luxury items, no one will trade you for them and the buildings that produce happiness start adding up a whole lot of upkeep? I can usually make five or six cities on my own, but after that my economy and happiness are in the crapper without much else to do except wait for Wonders and money producing buildings to finish building.
I got to go read a strategy guide for this game...
Warmongering. This is why alliances simply don't work in Civ 5. In one game I had formed a nice relationship early on with Mahatma (we go by first names in the friend zone). I couldn't afford an engagement ring expensive enough for him to agree on a defensive pact and a few turns later I was noticing he was losing a war against Bismarck (surnames in the enemy zone).
Bollocks to that, I thought as I routed half my army through India and hit germany in both her flanks. Hoping it would provide me with the grounds to marry... sorry, "write a pact" with Gandhi, I gave him all the 11 cities. He probably thought that declaring war on someone's enemy then giving away the captured land is something you do for sports, not for allies, and after that he regarded me and my people as barbarian filth.
Bollocks to that, I thought as I routed half my army through India and hit germany in both her flanks. Hoping it would provide me with the grounds to marry... sorry, "write a pact" with Gandhi, I gave him all the 11 cities. He probably thought that declaring war on someone's enemy then giving away the captured land is something you do for sports, not for allies, and after that he regarded me and my people as barbarian filth.
Hah, the AI is very weird. On my last game I was playing as Japan, I owned an entire area consisting of a good 10+ cities odd, with an insane army, and China, who had 1 city and hardly any army because of Irquois I think it was who pretty much took all their cities, kept on mocking my pathetic army. I would have loved to have taken her final city, but it would have meant crossing the entire map and I wasn't trying for a domination victory. Was actually trying for Diplomatic. Although that ended up failing because City States are as you say, so god damn annoying. Didn't have enough money to constantly buy each city state per turn. Majority of their missions are just "KILL CITY STATE X!!". With the exception of the odd 'Friendly' City State. Sending troops hardly gives you much reputation points with the state either. In the end I just won via a points victory.
Indeed the AI needs an upgrade when it comes to teamwork. It tends to suddenly shift to hostile for little apparent reason, bugs me when I build a city anywhere near them but has no qualms about setteling right between my cities, often start demanding every luxery resource you have in exchange for one of them, and never seems to want to offer you anything for going to war against their enemies (although they bug you about wanting to declare war on someone they don't like. Then after you both defeat that civ and each take some cities, they declare you're too close to them and attack the cities you captured.)
The only time they're really generous is when the war they declared is going badly and you're marching on a city they have. Then they basically give you everything they have. Sometimes.
And I find the best way to get a diplomatic victory is to liberate city states and civs. It's much cheaper then keeping good relationships with them.
And the Kill city state X quests are annoying, especially since the city states tend to band together against you if you do it to often.... but that doesn't stop them from STILL ASKING you to kill another city state. Damned if you do, damned if you don't
The only time they're really generous is when the war they declared is going badly and you're marching on a city they have. Then they basically give you everything they have. Sometimes.
And I find the best way to get a diplomatic victory is to liberate city states and civs. It's much cheaper then keeping good relationships with them.
And the Kill city state X quests are annoying, especially since the city states tend to band together against you if you do it to often.... but that doesn't stop them from STILL ASKING you to kill another city state. Damned if you do, damned if you don't
You can liberate them, capture them from the civs that took them and liberate them instead of annexing/making them a puppet.Spygon said:
That will guarantee their vote in the UN no matter what, unless they are captured and re-liberated by another civ.
WoW.. This games AI sounds utterly retarded.. I have not tried the game myself, but always wanted too.. But now im not sure anymore..
@ Corpse XxX: Well, I can still recommend the game. It's fun and addictive. But if you want to see some consistent intelligent opponents, you'll have to go for multiplayer
Ya I was playing as Hiawatha and Bismark and I were taking on a city state together. I deal the final blow and take the city, then Bismark goes and calls me "the bloodthirsty one". Oh and he was the one that first attacked the city state.
Oh well I still love that game to death.
Oh well I still love that game to death.
The Federation declared war?thenumberthirteen said:
*sighs*
The Federation...
...declared war?
I know it's a strategy game, but the federation doesn't declare war.. They defend against insurgents, and sometimes war is declared upon them, but they don't declare it.
But doesn't allow any of the real-life bloodthirsty rulers...yeah, that's the one.Kheapathic said:
I know. The game AI is generally quite true to the race's personality, and there are all sorts of modifiers in place that punish and reward you to play in that style (the federation gets a big morale drop if you declare war, whereas the Klingons get a boost). I play as Romulans since they are a devious race and you get good morale boosts for both peace and war, and you don't get penalised as badly for breaking a treaty.Altorin said: