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Ah, well, you can see where I'd be confused. Unless the formatting on this post is screwed up, in which caseMr.Tea said:
The actual quality is more or less irrelevant, though I like the movie. It's mostly its status as cinematic validation that is sought. It's revered as a classic piece of cinematic excellence, so we as a community are tripping over ourselves to find the equivlanece. I'm betting a lot of people looking for the "Citizen Kane" of gaming haven't even seen the movie, which is one of the reasons I find its actual quality to be more or less beside the point. In fact, the now-dated style and teists of the movie might leave people nonplussed and confused as to what made this such a big deal. People seek validation of their hobby and a perceived depth to the art form.canadamus_prime said:
By the same stretch, if enough people agreed that Nickelback was the Mozart of modern music, other genres might be looking for the "How You Remind Me" of their respective genre (or even medium). The quality of the song is irrelevant, as is the talent of the band.
It also makes the effort ultimately hollow, as trying to capture the success or potency of something without understanding it simply gets you Sam Raimi's career. I take this to be the meaning behind the punchline. And I'm sure someone else has explained this, but I wanted to work in jokes about Sam Raimi and Nickelback.
Personally, I think we should probably stop trying to prop up the "Citizen Kane" of gaming until we can accomplish the "Wrestlemania" of gaming.
Or, if we're going the film route, maybe something a little closer to the current heart of our media. Like trying to find a fair analogue to John Ford or Akira Kurosawa. We've already got the Michael Bays and Jerry Bruckheimers down, so maybe an advancement in smaller terms, rather than trying to reinvent the genre, doing so marginally, and claiming success.
No knock against "The Last of Us," but I doubt very much it's close to the equivalent. Most of our Citizen Kanes just aren't. which is why we need....SUPER CITIZEN KANE!
And we should win stuff for watching.McMarbles said:
But you're right. Gaming consensus is like herding cats. The difference between cinema and gaming is that while one seeks consensus, the other has entries designed to hit a wide range of audiences. Even in the relatively narrow swath that is mainstream, you have action, dramas, romantic comedies vulgar comedies, suspense/thrillers and even some horror on the periphery. In gaming, we try and turn everything into a samey brown shooter because of this illusory need for consensus. This would be like if we put most franchises under the watchful eye of Michael Bay. Imagine if Bay was in charge of the new Citizen Kane reboot. Michael Bay's The Man Who Shot Liberty Vallance. The Producers, as seen by Micha....Come to think of it, having seen the remake, that would be just about a lateral move.
It was fixed by the time I clicked on it, or I just wasn't impacted. other people saw it, so I'm guessing the former. So yeah, I didn't know it at the time and we're talking DVS Bastard, who makes puns in almost any post. I think he'd pull an "instant CSI" talking about the death of a loved one. Not bashing him, because I love his puns. However, it's not hard to make the mistake I did.1337mokro said:
Anyway, considering the crap I've dealt with with Blip the last couple of days (UI had an INFINITE AD LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOP! *cure reverb*), the metatopic of content actually being destroyed by ads certainly hits close to home. It also wouldn't be the first time I had issues with advertising and the Escapist, as some of their adverts used to hang my browser or even my computer (I think you could fry an egg on my processor when it happened). I didn't change anything, so they must have.
Which brings up the topic of ads. I don't mind them. I just wish that they didn't make them so bad that not watching the content was preferable. Blip's ads are causing me to drop shows I had no problem with supporting before.
Ah. Thanks for the clarification. I really didn't get that one. I had no idea what he was holding in the third panel either, even though I saw the movie. I guess I thought it would be bigger.Desert Punk said:
I think it's more of "We want a game to do for the games industry what Citizen Kane did for the movie industry" rather than "We want a game to ape Citizen Kane"canadamus_prime said:
Who was the first game dev who wanted their product to be like Citizen Kane? That's such an odd goal to reach for in a different industry. Now I want the Rosebud sled to be some DLC weapon or power-up. I liked the empty suit; it was like something from a Dilbert strip.
I've never seen that part...that's awesome that he added that. Everyone seems to leave it out to heighten the controversy.Ishal said:
I loved Citizen Kane. I wasn't even approaching it like a film student or from a historical perspective. I just found it to be a dang good movie.Paragon Fury said:
I would play Super Citizen Kane. Like with Dante's Inferno, the very act of making the game is the best sort of joke any developer can possibly achieve, one that continues to build on and renew itself with every moment of gameplay. The only thing that could ruin it would be if they were being deliberately comedic and making it 'ironically.'
Some Jerk spoiled the game in the Facebook comments :/.
I wish there was some sort of punishment for folks that do that kind of stuff.
I wish there was some sort of punishment for folks that do that kind of stuff.
It was the grizzled and utterly bleak world view the game holds that really reminded me of those films. Also with a bit of There will be Blood.FargoDog said:
There's also the connection that both No Country for Old Men and The Last of Us create a certain expectation from the audience regarding the main character, which it then completely breaks down and turns on its ear.
To be completely honest, the most shocking part about the comic is that Erin is seen properly working and trying as a valid, proper video-game journalist. Either that or I am just being corrupted by the various shenanigans she pulls in her working hour.
That and the fact that I didn't get the Citizen Kane reference in the first place
That and the fact that I didn't get the Citizen Kane reference in the first place
I absolutely loved Last of Us. The only possible niggle I have is entirely due to doing a PhD in medical science-y stuff:
Apart from that though, we need more games with the sort of story-telling calibre as Last of Us. Though hopefully it doesn't start a trend of strongly written post-apocalyptic games as every publisher tries to get a slice of the pie.
Cutting Ellie's head open is a tad unnecessary. A couple of tubes of blood and perhaps a bone marrow sample would give you enough material to get a good look at how her immune system is responding to the virus. While one could argue that because the infection is brain-related and that would require looking at cells forming the blood-brain barrier, the infection would still be getting targeted by the immune system and that should be your first port of call.
Apart from that though, we need more games with the sort of story-telling calibre as Last of Us. Though hopefully it doesn't start a trend of strongly written post-apocalyptic games as every publisher tries to get a slice of the pie.
I think the real problem with calling The Last of Us the "Citizen Kane of Gaming" is that to say such a thing is to profoundly misunderstand what is important about Citizen Kane. In many ways, gaming has already had the equivalent and it's been around for a long, long time. Half-Life profoundly altered how narrative was handled and many of the techniques have been used elsewhere and expanded upon. Given that Citizen Kane's place in film history is best defined by what it showed was possible with the medium, Half-Life deserves similar credit when it comes to games.
By the way most people refer to the search for such a game, it seems that they are chasing some elusive benchark of quality or immersion that's largely subjective; such a search is foolish. Just as it is foolish to declare a game of the moment will be long remembered as the great object that elevated the medium - that's something you'll lock back after the long years and see what game really made an impact.
By the way most people refer to the search for such a game, it seems that they are chasing some elusive benchark of quality or immersion that's largely subjective; such a search is foolish. Just as it is foolish to declare a game of the moment will be long remembered as the great object that elevated the medium - that's something you'll lock back after the long years and see what game really made an impact.
This is perhaps the most misunderstood comic of all time. The problem here being that there's several references shoved into one frame and too few people know the base joke to begin with. If you want to Finnegan's Wake this business, fair enough. Just don't expect everyone to know what you're talking about.
EDIT: And it's just and empty suit. Come on people. Sometimes a cigar is just a cigar.
EDIT: And it's just and empty suit. Come on people. Sometimes a cigar is just a cigar.