What Would The Reaction To A Female Bond (007, that is) Be?
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If they had a female James Bond sleeping with every beautiful woman she comes across, I would bet that there would be quite a few people who would watch it just for that aspect alone. 
Seriously though, some people (this being the Internet) would call her a ripoff of Black Widow. Others would find her pointless as James Bond himself is an anachronism. Still I personally would like to see a suave, sexy female Bond who makes it look easy with her wits, gadgets and charm as opposed to the more visceral Daniel Craig version and Jason Bourne's ruthless efficiency. Make it believable that she's an espionage agent engaged in the Great Game instead of a highly skilled thug.
Seriously though, some people (this being the Internet) would call her a ripoff of Black Widow. Others would find her pointless as James Bond himself is an anachronism. Still I personally would like to see a suave, sexy female Bond who makes it look easy with her wits, gadgets and charm as opposed to the more visceral Daniel Craig version and Jason Bourne's ruthless efficiency. Make it believable that she's an espionage agent engaged in the Great Game instead of a highly skilled thug.
Sure I'm in, especially if they keep the character completely intact, that'd be cool. "Bond" is a codename anyway.
But I still want to see Idris Elba more because GOD. DAMN. that man is just all kinds of "Unf." for that role.
The reaction it'd have though? An explosion of MRA rage.
Do remember by the way, the cheese factor is totally intentionally funny. I'm always cackling during the older Bond movies, God that shit is hilariously dumb. And the puns man, the puns. It helps if you don't even remotely take Bond movies seriously.
But I still want to see Idris Elba more because GOD. DAMN. that man is just all kinds of "Unf." for that role.
The reaction it'd have though? An explosion of MRA rage.
It's funny when you think about when Mary Sue means, an author insert so that the author can live out his awesome fantasies, and then you remember Ian Fleming was actually a spy and probably did more awesome shit than his character did and you're just like "Oh. Huh." Somehow that's extremely amusing and humorous to me.Phasmal said:
Do remember by the way, the cheese factor is totally intentionally funny. I'm always cackling during the older Bond movies, God that shit is hilariously dumb. And the puns man, the puns. It helps if you don't even remotely take Bond movies seriously.
Gender-swapped Indiana Jones? What, you mean like...Casual Shinji said:
Lara Croft?
That's not even a joke or random comparison or anything. Go find some really old interviews.
You'll see that Lara Croft was a James Bond clone, and originally male.
This was right after the 2d to 3d transition though, and they couldn't get their character designers to avoid over-the-top physiques. (nessesary for a sprite, if you want to be clear about the gender of a character made up of a few pixels)
They kept designing male characters who looked like Arnie, which they didn't want.
So they designed Lara.
But she's basically Female Indiana Jones, as far as the idea behind it.
... As for James bond, we had Halle Berry's character.
Who really was basically just the female James Bond in all but name.
Even to the point where she was technically the one that used Bond for sex... >_>
Anyway, I agree with the general sentiment that it'd probably be a bad idea to make an actual female james bond.
But it's pretty obvious the character is one that can work, because there's examples of it, and nobody seemed overly put out by it, generally.
The character is male, there is no reason to gender swap her, this will lead to an outrage by fans.RJ 17 said:
Said outrage will be perceived as social injustice and we'll end up with some stinking pile of Social Justice approved Bond movies.
James Bond is a very specific kind of character, compare him to say Harvey Spectre(Suits).
All the Alfa's want to be him, all the ladies want to be with him (even though I can't see what's attractive about him looks-wise).
A female Bond, wouldn't be Bond.
That's because the bloody character is JAMES BOND, see the James part in that?
A much, much bigger load of people who aren't feminists would be doing this as well, though. Not sure why you'd single the feminists out.FalloutJack said:
No. I don't think we do. A new version of something old, a reboot of a reboot of a reboot is all we can hope for. You just know they'll make another Fantastic Four reboot in a few years, and it'll probably suck.valium said:
Though, you are allowed to still make books into movies, and the books can be new.
Well, unless you can gimme an idea about what other people would, I don't follow you. They'd be the loudest complaint, I'm sure.thaluikhain said:
There would be people who liked the idea.
There would be people who did not like the idea.
There would be people who liked the fact that other people did not like the idea.
There would be people who did not like the fact that other people liked the idea.
I think this would cover the majority reactions to changing James Bond into a female lead instead.
There would be people who did not like the idea.
There would be people who liked the fact that other people did not like the idea.
There would be people who did not like the fact that other people liked the idea.
I think this would cover the majority reactions to changing James Bond into a female lead instead.
Going to disagree with you there. In my experience, it's almost always not feminists slutshaming people.FalloutJack said:
Not to say that feminists don't slutshame, but they get drowned out by people who aren't.
Yeah but if you are going to change the race or gender of a major character like Bond. A character who lives in a world similar to ours. A war were there is discrimination and prejudices the character has to change. He can still be the suave and cool person that he/she is but something has to be added or subtracted from the current Bond in order to make the character believable.Phasmal said:
I think it's just kinda...lazy.
James Bond fills a certain set of characteristics for what 'James Bond' is in popular culture. Change a character so dramatically (and yes, changing a gender IS a dramatic change no matter what some people may think about it being an 'artificial construct) makes you ask why would you do it? Taking it back to it's end point, I can't help but see it as deeply patronizing and insulting to women since the idea says at it's core 'a woman can't be a secret agent' or 'nobody's going to watch a movie about a woman spy' so they have take the James Bond role so you can actually write a story with a developed character and simply swap out the gender so that you get a 'woman secret agent' who's really just James Bond with different genitalia.
It's not an open minded and forward thinking concept, it's a patronizing cash grab at best, and a thinly veiled misogynist's plan at worst.
A good writer could create a story about a female secret agent without simply hijacking an already established character.
James Bond fills a certain set of characteristics for what 'James Bond' is in popular culture. Change a character so dramatically (and yes, changing a gender IS a dramatic change no matter what some people may think about it being an 'artificial construct) makes you ask why would you do it? Taking it back to it's end point, I can't help but see it as deeply patronizing and insulting to women since the idea says at it's core 'a woman can't be a secret agent' or 'nobody's going to watch a movie about a woman spy' so they have take the James Bond role so you can actually write a story with a developed character and simply swap out the gender so that you get a 'woman secret agent' who's really just James Bond with different genitalia.
It's not an open minded and forward thinking concept, it's a patronizing cash grab at best, and a thinly veiled misogynist's plan at worst.
A good writer could create a story about a female secret agent without simply hijacking an already established character.
Uh, why? I'm not sure what you're getting at. I don't see anything particularly exclusive to white men about Bond's character, maybe that's just me.Nathaniel Grey said:
I think I just had a bad introduction to the whole thing really, through my ex boyfriend who took it way too seriously and didn't get why I found the whole thing so silly. And then a few years later I went and watched the first Daniel Craig Bond film and it bored the crap out of me. I don't get why but there's something I just dont -get- about the Bond films.Cowabungaa said:
They probably wouldn't need to use the Bond name. I'm sure there is a book somewhere just waiting to be adapted into a film.
http://www.goodreads.com/shelf/show/female-spy Or they could just finally make a damn Black Widow movie.
http://www.goodreads.com/shelf/show/female-spy Or they could just finally make a damn Black Widow movie.
It would be odd to say the least. Bond's entire character is based around him being uber macho and manly. He always wins in a fight, he can bang any woman he lays eyes upon (and never see them again!) and he gets to play with all kinds of cool cars and gadgets. It's going to seem really out of place gender-swapping him.
Of course, if you made the character more cerebral like Jason Borne and and them solving problems with wit instead of fists, bullets and penises, that could work.
Of course, if you made the character more cerebral like Jason Borne and and them solving problems with wit instead of fists, bullets and penises, that could work.
I might actually care about Bond for the first time in my life. Being a female minority living in the United States there isn't much that I could relate to the classic Bond.
Besides the franchise is so old, I honestly think it would be a nice twist.
Besides the franchise is so old, I honestly think it would be a nice twist.
World War 3...
Either that or all the "undesirables" in the world would just have a heart attack at the sheer gall of someone making a movie that acknowledges that a literal half of the population is capable of doing spy stuff as well.
But the more important question would be... does anyone who matters actually give a fuck?
Either that or all the "undesirables" in the world would just have a heart attack at the sheer gall of someone making a movie that acknowledges that a literal half of the population is capable of doing spy stuff as well.
But the more important question would be... does anyone who matters actually give a fuck?