whats people's problem

[JerryTerry]

Despite not being into it myself, I'm completely fine with furries. But I can definitely understand some people's disgust towards the sexual side of it.
I mean, it's anthropomorphic animals. Animals. Most people see bestiality as disgusting. There's obviously a line that people draw somewhere between 'regular' sexuality and bestiality (Ranging from anywhere between a catgirl fetish to barely-human wolfmen), it's just that some people draw that line further than others. It's the same line-drawing process that takes place with pretty much every aspect of sexuality, be it gender, age, or species.

Of course, if you defend furries with justifications such as "as long as they're not hurting anyone, it's fine", or "People just don't understand", you are a complete hypocrite if you condemn any other fetish or sexual attraction (barring dangerous/harmful ones such as active paedophilia, obviously). People who're sexually attracted to actual dogs, or enjoy lolicon, or even scat. Yeah, I find all of that pretty disgusting, but I guess I 'just don't understand'.
(You may have interpreted that as me saying "don't defend furries, or you're defending lolicon and bestiality". That's not what I meant - I meant, if you defend one perfectly-safe-yet-deviant fetish, you have to defend them all. If this had been a "what's wrong with lolicon/bestiality/toaster-humping" thread, I'm sure the responses would have been much less positive)

Also, while we're on the subject, what's the deal with the general alienation of sexual attraction to MLP characters? Again, totally not into that stuff (in before "methinks you doth protest too much"), but the consensus seems to be that 'clopping' is generally frowned upon, and the brony community is often quick to compartmentalise them as the 'black sheep of the fandom'. It's essentially just stylized anthropomorphic animals, so why are furries so much more accepted?

 

[The Thinker]

What a minute, if we're going to call "furries" "anthros", then what will we call people who are turned on by anthropomorphized concepts (such as Death, Math, Hope, etc.)? You've got to think of these things before just renaming stuff, man! [/facetiousness]

OT: Assuming we're talking about yiffers, for the same reason some people hate gays?

"They want to do what with a what?!"

It's the same thing with the LGBT community. Now it's like the QLAYVUGGTAYTBT community. No offense to anyone that is, but I'm not going to remember any of that besides Gay/Lesbian/Transexual because I really don't care what you are unless I'm trying to sleep with you.

While that is a fine and noble attitude, may I suggest the acronym "QUILTBAG"? It stands for Queer/Questioning Unidentified Intersex Lesbian Transsexual/Transvetite Bisexual Asexual Gay. I think.

 

[Muspelheim]

Well, most people don't hate furries. Most probably assume that equals fursuitin' it up and going all CSI on each other, sure, but I doubt there's really alot of people that actively hate furries, considering all the other weird groups there is on the internet.

And of those who claim to hate furries, there's usually three groups:

-Good ol' trolls that have found a neverending source of jollities to the minimum amount of effort.

-All-round moral guardians or people who can't deal with things they don't get.

-People who want to justify their teenage rape hentai to themselves.

And let's be perfectly honest here... The furry community has a fair share of absolute drama queens... The trolls latched sight on this particular group for a reason. Most possible raegflam for least possible effort.

And honestly, equating it to issues such as racism and violent homophobia isn't helping... Fursecution shouldn't be a word. And remember; if someone says "yiff in hell i will find u n kill u furfag!!1" to you on the internet, keep in mind that it's as good as impossible for him to actually carry out that threat, even if he really means it. He's likely not even of age to drive, and probably on another continent.

Am I a furry? Well, I like anthro characters, and do draw them myself, but I'd never be caught dead in a fursuit. It's a bit too deep down the pit for me. I guess I'm a borderline case, eh? What does the jury here on ol' Escapist say?

But just in case the rest of my post is just noise and letters to you, let me just make one thing clear:

Fursecution is not real. Comparing it to real persecution and social issues is why furries in general aren't very liked. And for heaven's sake, don't be trollfood.

 

[Overusedname]

I suppose it's because everyone assumes they're all sexual about it. Which I know many are not.

If they are sexual about it, then you should keep that to sites where that's appropriate.

The fetish isn't 'wrong'. No one can control what they're aroused by, but there seems to be a stupid minority that loves rubbing the sexual stuff in people's faces and use some...questionable avatars.

That's when it's a little uncomfortable.

If your avatar is of a fox wearing a tee-shirt, that shouldn't offend anyone.

If it's a horse with human breasts about to burst out of a bra, I can understand if people have a bad reaction.

It's a vocal minority problem.

 

[Vault101]

Some people just find them weird. I find people who watch obscure Japenese anime with questionable content weird, I wouldn't reach for my hazard suit if I met one IRL, let alone on the Internet though.

define questionable?

because unless its somthing truly niche/bizare then the usual sex/nudity/violence isn't anymore weird just becasue its in Anime form

 

[SciMal]

and you should do well to do the reverse. in the aforementioned message boards, you will see no-one, or obscenely dis-proportional numbers of people defending furries. when someone can receive so much ire for just who they are, and nobody bats an eye, that's a problem. that's a mentality of "they've always been picked on, who am i to challenge that".

The OP provided absolutely no examples for why they felt ostracized or hated. The OP's sole complaint was how 'Furry' felt like an insulting slang term to them, and that they preferred 'Anthros.' You have provided an example, and one where I agree there's a problem.

when a group of people become accepted punching bags, there is a real problem, and people like you...

Uh, I'm sorry? Was I making fun of anybody? Anywhere in what I said did I demean the OP for being a furry?

Fuck no, and fuck you for not asking for clarification on any of my statements or asking me to elaborate.

You ***** at me for being biased against people, but don't have a single problem instantly turning the tables.

...who go around making fun of people because they have a gall to stand up to their attackers, claiming "persecution complexes" are NOT helping.

I didn't make fun of the OP, I answered their questions. People have a bias against the unfamiliar. That isn't speculation; it's fact. It's a reaction, one billions of years old. Tolerance is a sign of the advancement of civilization for a reason. I told the OP as much, and that they shouldn't mistake hatred (the genuine desire to inflict pain or see another in pain) for apathy (I don't keep up with esoteric internet groups, so how could I have known you prefer 'Anthros' instead of 'Furries' when all I've heard was furries?).

before you can say that i need thicker skin, please know that i have it.

Congratulations on making it into a healthy adulthood. Everybody needs at least some skin, and I'll agree the line between slur and ignorance is occasionally ambiguous - but that's what the skin is for.

It doesn't help that lashing out isn't the right way to do things for either side, which the OP doesn't seem to realize.

i don't care what people call me, and until people start actually being violent, i can say that i don't give a fuck what you think in real life, to your face.

Apparently you do, otherwise you would not have written the next bit. I'm not saying it's bad you do - caring about the opinions of others is perfectly natural, but you're the one accusing me of actions I have not performed without confirming your suspicions before launching into a hypocritical reply.

however, i cannot stand idle as people are hated for who they are, because i do know that feeling, and it's not pleasant.

Almost everybody has to some extent. That's part of growing up; realizing people aren't all that different. You can wax dramatically about your experiences, but with few exceptions I can guarantee you I've experienced something similar (and in some cases, much worse).

perhaps all of you shouting "persecution complex" could stand a few years being universally hated for what you can't change.

Well, I'm going to say this matter-of-factly: Fetishes can change. Unlike skin color (and almost certainly sexual orientation), sexual fetishes are almost always constructs based on the cultural norms of the time period filtered through personal interpretation. I'm not saying they always change, but they most certainly can (and do) change. Do not make the mistake of equating a fetish (being a furry, here) to being born with dark skin or gay. They are not equal, and nobody will consider them equal unless science says otherwise.

That does not mean it's okay to belittle or persecute people with a harmless fetish solely for having that fetish. However, look back at the OP's post... The OP is talking specifically about a thing ("Anthro" instead of "Furry") that 99% of the world couldn't possibly know, and that even denizens of the internet who frequents fetish sites probably wouldn't know. The OP is equating the use of the word 'Furry' instead of 'Anthro' - already ambiguous to begin with - to ******. To ******, a word used to denote slaves who were hunted down and hung for centuries. The two aren't comparable, period.

Then the OP goes on about how Humans (as if the OP isn't human) hate things different from us, and how the OP hates people. The OP is a person. There's no logical argument, no appeal to any form of rationale or evidence for the OP's point. I'm not a Psychologist, I don't know enough about the Persecution Complex to diagnose anyone with it, but from a basic debate-oriented standpoint the OP fails and fails HARD.

Without an inherent argument to the post, all the OP is doing is whining. Whining at anonymous people on the internet about how much their life sucks and how they dislike the people that make their life shitty.

Welcome. To. Life. It's what you make of it. Now, if the OP comes back with a story about their persecution, some sort of evidence to verify that their quibbles over the use of "Furry" instead of "Anthro" had some validity - that's different. That's being a logical, rational person.

 

[Aris Khandr]

when a group of people become accepted punching bags, there is a real problem, and people like you who go around making fun of people because they have a gall to stand up to their attackers, claiming "persecution complexes" are NOT helping.

before you can say that i need thicker skin, please know that i have it. i don't care what people call me, and until people start actually being violent, i can say that i don't give a fuck what you think in real life, to your face. however, i cannot stand idle as people are hated for who they are, because i do know that feeling, and it's not pleasant. perhaps all of you shouting "persecution complex" could stand a few years being universally hated for what you can't change.

Been there, done that. Learned discretion. 90% of the time, when I hear people complaining about "fursecution", it means "people think my fetish is weird, but I'm not bright enough to shut up about it." In general, nobody cares if your avatar is a foxgirl in a t-shirt. Heck, for a while last year my avatar was Cheetara because I was really into the new ThunderCats. No one cares. It's when people don't learn to keep things to themselves that they tend to run into problems. I don't talk about my fetishes on inappropriate sites. That's pretty much expected. If you start violating that expectation, you should expect to be judged for it.

 

[SciMal]

forgive me, as i wasn't addressing the OP specifically. what i was, however, addressing was that there was beginning to be a disturbing number of people claiming that furries have a persecution complex, and should stop whining. my post was not directed solely at you, but the one statement of your's i quoted summed up the mentality i take exception to the best, which is why i discarded the rest of your post.

Hrm. Just make your posts clearer in the future.

i've never known of people willing themselves into having or not having fetishes. yes, fetishes change in the same way the tides change, they are not static, but i would have a hard time saying that people can change the tides and i would hope you would agree.

I didn't say it was easy, but the way you wrote your post (or perhaps just the way I interpreted it) you were comparing having a fetish to being gay or having dark skin. The latter trait is biologically inherited, the second to last is probably a mix of odd sexuality distinctions of the modern era and biology combined, and the former is not biological in any way.

You can't equate to the two. There are very few traits that people find sexually attractive across cultures, and most of the world doesn't even know what a 'furry' is.

excuse me? while not generic, to my knowledge, fetish defines a person just as much as skin color or orientation. not to the outside world, obviously, but what that person enjoys and who they feel they are for enjoying that is not some light switch like mechanism. claiming anything to the contrary would reveal a great lack of understanding of how deeply sexuality plays into the human experience.

You are born with a skin color. You are not born with a fetish. You will be judged for both by other people. One can change. The other will not. Sure, both can play into how you define your personality and your internal conception of who you are - but they're not on the same level.

One is part of your biology that will end up affecting your psychology. The other is purely psychological. It's the difference between being persecuted for what you are and what you believe.

reply if you must, just know i won't reply, or even read it

First you insult me, disregard a significant portion of my argument, and then run away from the issue without so much as a civil discussion.

Not a good example, I'll say.

 

[Tsun Tzu]

I was under the impression that "furry" simply meant someone who enjoyed or created anthropomorphic artwork.

It's not necessarily sexual, nor is it limited to wanking in a fursuit (that's a small subset of a much larger community that's, honestly, quite weird in any context) or producing erotica related to cat women.

The monicker itself is generally accepted as being self-imposed, regardless. I don't consider myself a "furry", but enjoy the concept of anthropomorphized characters. I also find some of them attractive. I don't have a thing for animals either.

Personally, I blame Disney.

 

[OmniscientOstrich]

snip

Are you incensed, dear sir?

(Pro tip: Don't announce your intention to troll literally 2 posts above your attempt to do so.)

 

[userwhoquitthesite]

P.S and any one that wants to call me out of being furry I'm going to reported you, so watch what you say.

fuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuurry
The problem people have with furries is that furries are indelibly associated with furry PORN.
Call yourself anthro all you like, but all you are doing is saying "no, im not THAT kind of furry, i'm a totally not-creepy kind of furry!" Because you're a FURRY.
Also, FURRY isn't the "hate" slang identifier, that'd be FURFAG. Because "all furries are faggots", "all furries are perverts(furverts, to be specific)", "all furries are fursuiters", and "all fursuiters are diaperfurs"
So if someone calls you a furry, they think you fap to furry porn. Which you probably do, if you are someone familiar with the term "anthro" and so up in arms about being called a furry.
If someone calls you a furfag, they think you are a gay pants-shitting child molester. Because fursuits are creepy.

Believe it or not, there are some people that find the idea of animals fucking to be NOT erotic. In fact, there are some people who find the idea of making an animal look and sound human in order for them to fuck is JUST as creepy. And then the idea that human persons wish to explore sexual possibilities with the animals or human-animal hybrids (known as "anthro") to be even MORE disturbing than the original premise of gay horse/whale sex

In short, people are creeped out by furry bullshit because its creepy, and because there is a strong stigma of the small group who INCREASE that natural creepiness applied to the group as a whole.

So bit your quitchin', and send me links to new furry porn, because I'm bored with all mine.

 

[userwhoquitthesite]

Personally, I blame Disney.

I have a friend who blames Disney's Robin Hood for his furry predilictions AND his homosexuality.
oo-de-lally!

 

[Zaik]

It's probably got a lot to do with the victim complex.

You squirm and squeal and cry about how unfairly you're treated, rather than blowing it off or pretending not to even see it, and it makes you such a target. Nobody actually hates furries any more than other weird shit like people who think they are vampires or fake psychics or anything else that could be and sometimes is attributed to schizophrenia. You just cry so loudly that it makes it really difficult to not give you a hard time.

Spoiler

P.S and any one that wants to call me out of being furry I'm going to reported you, so watch what you say.

fuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuurry
The problem people have with furries is that furries are indelibly associated with furry PORN.
Call yourself anthro all you like, but all you are doing is saying "no, im not THAT kind of furry, i'm a totally not-creepy kind of furry!" Because you're a FURRY.
Also, FURRY isn't the "hate" slang identifier, that'd be FURFAG. Because "all furries are faggots", "all furries are perverts(furverts, to be specific)", "all furries are fursuiters", and "all fursuiters are diaperfurs"
So if someone calls you a furry, they think you fap to furry porn. Which you probably do, if you are someone familiar with the term "anthro" and so up in arms about being called a furry.
If someone calls you a furfag, they think you are a gay pants-shitting child molester. Because fursuits are creepy.

Believe it or not, there are some people that find the idea of animals fucking to be NOT erotic. In fact, there are some people who find the idea of making an animal look and sound human in order for them to fuck is JUST as creepy. And then the idea that human persons wish to explore sexual possibilities with the animals or human-animal hybrids (known as "anthro") to be even MORE disturbing than the original premise of gay horse/whale sex

In short, people are creeped out by furry bullshit because its creepy, and because there is a strong stigma of the small group who INCREASE that natural creepiness applied to the group as a whole.

So bit your quitchin', and send me links to new furry porn, because I'm bored with all mine.

I guess you aren't aware, but -fag is a suffix trolls use to identify groups of people by. It has nothing to do with the word ******, aside from trying to elicit a reaction exactly like yours to differentiate those who are mad from those who make people mad.

Here's a few others that see regular use:
newfag
oldfag
tourneyfag
christfag
samefag
sagefag
tripfag
gaiafag

and so on. You can pretty much go to any page on encyclopedia dramatica and search for fag and turn up like 5 different ones.

 

[Risingblade]

Wait it's wrong to not like people who watch animal(animalish human) porn now? Ummm you know what I draw the line here. I don't care anymore it's sick and I'm damn well entitled to think it's sick.

 

[nexi01]

"however, i cannot stand idle as people are hated for who they are, because i do know that feeling, and it's not pleasant."

Dunno who said it, it is somewhere in this thread and it is quoted so yeh, this here hits the nail on the head, not because of the statement it makes (which is a very good statement) but because of how juxtaposed it is to the point he is trying to make with it.

If you are the following, the statement is true:
-Homosexual
-Black
-Asian
-In a wheelchair
-Have lost an arm
-Young
-Old
-An "L" plate driver

These are all traits that are "who they are", shit that you can't change and being discriminated against because of any of those can be considered hate, apathy and generally not in good form for anyone.

If you are the following, the statement is false and grossly misrepresented:
-A furry
-Cosplaying
-LARPing
-A serial killer
-A person buying cigarettes wheeling a ventilator around behind them
-A person speeding in their car
-A heroin addict

These are all "things that you do", and are at least in my eyes, perfectly fine examples to make fun of or be aggravated by if they occasion arises. These are lifestyle choices which, in some way or another, make you a target for ridicule and while I am not saying that the flak you may receive won't piss you off, it is something you yourself chose to be part of when you donned the proverbial wolf costume or crashed your car into a tree at 150kmph in a 90 zone and wound up in hospital.

Personally, I don't care what you do providing it isn't endangering anyone except yourself. If your entire community is upset at the term furry and would prefer anthros then so be it, I can call you anthros but still laugh at you. If it is simply a single person getting a bit butthurt and posting on a forum, then toughen up princess =D

 

[Lyri]

excuse me? while not generic, to my knowledge, fetish defines a person just as much as skin color or orientation. not to the outside world, obviously, but what that person enjoys and who they feel they are for enjoying that is not some light switch like mechanism. claiming anything to the contrary would reveal a great lack of understanding of how deeply sexuality plays into the human experience.

So what is it then?
If it's not genetic and hard coded into your DNA and it's not a light switch you can just turn off then what are you claiming the fetish to be?

Also no, a fetish doesn't define a person at all but you can choose to be defined by your fetish if you wish to do that.
It's a difference that furries like to ignore to keep that victim card in their hand, if what you were saying was true then people with a foot fetish would be lined up to work in shoe stores (I'm sure there are some of course).
To say a fetish defines you as much as your skin colour or your sexual orientation is utterly absurd.
Again it is a selfish justification, lets take that to an LGBT community and see.
They're a little more concerned about you know, serious issues, like getting married? You think that people giggling and pointing at you as you enter furcon or whatever the hell it is, is as distressing as not being able to legally marry your longtime partner?

Protip: it is not.

 

[burningdragoon]

Well closing out your post with aggression isn't going to get people to like you any.

Also would "Anthro" be even "correct"? (Let's also ignore that a much more apt use for that is for abbreviating anthropology)

1 - anthropomorphism applies to everything nonhuman being given human-like qualities. As far as I know, being into rockpeople or robots isn't included into furrydom. Hell fucking God (depending on whether or not you believe in being created his image... or god at all, or whatever, not the point) would count under this umbrella. I could be wrong I suppose. At best "furry" would a subclass of "anthro".

2 - is the fetish/attraction/whatever to animals with human qualities or humans with animal qualities? I don't know what reverse-anthropomorphism would be called, so this could be moot anyway, but humans->animals (which dressing up as an animal is) is not anthropomorphism.

--

People have there fetishes and there may not be a "wrong" fetish to have, but so what. Being fucking eaten alive is a fetish. Perhaps one day people with a cannibalism fetish will feel persecuted and will aggressively stand up for themselves on some general forum somewhere, but that doesn't mean it's not "weird". Because it is.

 

[Something Amyss]

I don't hate furries. I don't give damn, really. What I do hate is people who spam up boards with furry porn, or constantly bring it up in every conversation. But that goes for about anyone.

Why do people in general hate a group that's different? As an agnostic, LGBT card-carrying, dyslexic, half-native, left-handed (converted by teachers), nearsighted gaming geek, I can tell you it's not unique to furry culture. Most of us figure out how to adapt to this. I've always been mystified why furries seem to think it's somehow different for them.

 

[DeadlyYellow]

So.... we just talking people dressing as animals, or the sexual connotations? The former, who cares; the latter... well, there's a time and place for sexual fetishism.

Frankly no, I'm not going to respond well to someone who basically just introduces themselves by their sexual fetishes in a public setting.

 

[Risingblade]

Wait it's wrong to not like people who watch animal(animalish human) porn now?

o noes, we accidentally corrupted someone's youth :\

Ewww...I forgot about those...wtf man why would you remind me of that? Did I not hug you enough as a child? Or many I hugged you too much....somewhere I went wrong with you.I'm ashamed of you...bad boy go to your room o.o