Whats so bad about xbox one?

[Fox12]

Another Xbox thread, really? Can't we let it die? The Xbox is like herpes, every couple of weeks it has to come back.

I could talk about the DRM (which is decidedly bad), the spy camera, the anti-consumer policies, or the conceited response the suits gave to their fans, but all of this has been said a million times, so I'll just keep it simple.

The Xbox one doesn't have anything I want. Like, at all. It's also an inferior machine. And it costs more.

"Fuck xbone ps4 FTW" gives no explanation at all to why the xbox one sucks."
Straw men are easy to burn, aren't they?

Why do you care if people don't like your machine? Your questions have already been answered on a dozen other threads man, just let it go. If you like the Xbox then that's great, I hope you buy it and enjoy it. Nobody WANTS to hate the Xbox, they're angry because of the way Microsoft behaved.

 

[SeventhSigil]

Beyond that, I doubt you are actually telling the truth:
http://www.techradar.com/news/gaming/consoles/pax-aus-vs-comic-con-or-how-microsoft-showed-it-only-cares-about-the-us-market-1167784
http://dustycartridge.com/features/pax-australia-2013-the-pointless-presence-of-microsoft/

Quote from the articles:

"There were no screens running trailers, no pictures of the console on the wall and not even a rogue Xbox 360 to entertain our thumbs at the Microsoft stand. A Microsoft rep even confirmed that the reason the stand was empty was because Microsoft only had the single console available, and needed to use that device to power the company's Xbox One keynotes at the event. {...} To rub salt in the wound, Microsoft did announce when Australians would be able to try the console for the first time: at the EB Games Expo in October there will be an abundance of Xbox One consoles for gamers to play. "


and

"For those with poor eyesight, or for those stuck in poor seats at the back of the main theatre, Microsoft had chosen select hours during the expo to display their console, not available for public play. Just one of them, safely ensconced inside a protective shell and behind a velvet rope. Like it were the damn Pope, or something. "

And I reitirate with more emphasis:
The only person outright lying, due to excessive brand loyalty around here, is you.

Ouch ouch ouch ouch ouch ouch ouch ouch ouch ouch.

I don't think he's coming back.

Which is actually profoundly disappointing, because I was really, really curious as to how he was going to answer that. XP Going to make a mental note to bring it up if he makes another thread.

 

[Doom972]

It was a DRM nightmare that was nothing like Steam originally.

Now it's just a regular console, with slightly shittier hardware than it's competitor but $100 more expensive because of a stupid camera that no one wants.

How was it not like steam?

Steam has to compete with other PC game distribution services, which is why it has to keep innovating and have huge discount sales.
Microsoft won't have the incentive to do the same with the Xbone, since they'll have the only digital distribution service on it. Steam has some great features, but without the huge discount sales, I don't think most of its users would even consider it (I know I wouldn't).

Also, looking at their history, it's safe to assume that anything you buy there won't be available when they release their next console (since "backwards compatibility is just backwards" - some Microsoft guy), unlike Steam which can run on any PC running Windows XP or newer.

 

[Lilani]

-snip-

I'd also like to point out that nobody is asking you to not like the Xbone. If you want to get it, then fine, get it. It doesn't matter to us either way. You don't have to legitimize yourself to anyone, and you certainly don't have to convince us to "join you" so that you know we're "on your side." And if anybody here does want you to not like it, then they're being stupid and petty and you shouldn't listen to them. Just don't make the same mistake and be stupid and petty yourself because you can't handle the idea of people not liking something you like.

 

[The_Echo]

"Fuck xbone ps4 FTW" gives no explanation at all to why the xbox one sucks.
Why does it? It's fixed all the DRM that was actually going to be good. Like steam.

We get it, man.

You really fucking love the Xbone. We get it.

Stop making threads about it.

 

[Aidan(Roland)]

Most of the things wrong with the NewBox are wrong with the industry as a whole, and with console gaming in particular.

Compared to the PS4 it doesn't seem so bad, compared to the WiiU it seems pretty frickin' sweet, but compared to my 3 year old laptop.... boo. BOOO. (Granted this machine did cost as much as a second hand car... and was made by Sony...)

 

[Evil Smurf]

"Fuck xbone ps4 FTW" gives no explanation at all to why the xbox one sucks.
Why does it? It's fixed all the DRM that was actually going to be good. Like steam.

Microsoft don't know how to treat consumers, so they have rammed anti consumer DRM up all in it. No backwards compatibility, Kinect spies on you, you need to pay to play online and it is $100 more then the PS4.
If you like games get a PC, you will be able to mod the games, expand the PC and play games decades old, how's that for backwards compatibility! On top of the GOG, steam and other online distributors are amazing.

 

[Yopaz]

It was a DRM nightmare that was nothing like Steam originally.

Now it's just a regular console, with slightly shittier hardware than it's competitor but $100 more expensive because of a stupid camera that no one wants.

Pretty much this. Also it comes with a more resource demanding OS than a PC according to rumours. That's a first.

I don't really have any issues with the Xbox One. I like the media features, sadly they won't be available here so that's not a point in its favour. I don't loathe the Kinect, but I don't want to use it and the voice recognition is the reason there's no known release date for it so also not a point in their favour.

I take an issue with Microsoft and their behaviour around the whole thing. They have insulted the consumers who would be troubled by internet connection, they have been very bad at explaining the details of the features other than the TV thing (which is only for USA for the moment) resulting in a lot of confusion. Was the family sharing a demo service or something more? Could you buy used? Could you borrow your friend's physical game?

Microsoft bothers me more than the Xbox One. The Xbox One simply doesn't have anything that interests me at the moment which is something that might change with time if the games appeal to me. However the fact that Microsoft is the one making money if I buy one will raise the bar for my decision to buy one.

 

[RicoADF]

"Fuck xbone ps4 FTW" gives no explanation at all to why the xbox one sucks.
Why does it? It's fixed all the DRM that was actually going to be good. Like steam.

The reason I hated it was that it wanted to force always online to play games and the Kinect. With the fact the NSA loves to spy on us foreigners and the knowledge that M$ is their best friend that's one personal issue, especially since it breaches privacy laws here. Secondly the requirement for always online means that when (not if, WHEN) they turn the servers off it would have killed my games, all of them, on the platform. I have every game I've ever bought from PS1 - today, never sold or destroyed any. So why would I waste good money on a PoS that one day will just stop working. It has no value.

And before you say steam I counter with 2 point:
1) It's PC, so we can patch the online requirements out, if it went down, ourselves.
2) I buy games for $30 or less (usually around $10) which as stated above is because digital has no value. I pay the value I see of digital especially digital that has that weakness, when I buy physical games I pay $50-$100 AUD. Very big difference because they have value and a far longer life.

EDIT: Typos

 

[Bad Jim]

Well firstly I don't work for Microsoft I am just a 13 year old gamer.
Secondly every time I have asked "what's wrong with it" the answers have been dumb like "spy box suks" and it "sucks because its not a ps4" I just want ONE valid reason so I know that Sony has not got any more "Sony-bots" patrolling the Internet

PS4 is looking to be both more powerful and cheaper than the XB1.

Of course, it was never about the hardware, it's about the games. Unfortunately, with the XB1 only being released in about 20 odd countries, it looks like there will be far more PS4 owners than XB1 owners, and where there are more gamers, there is more money, and therefore more game development.

 

[HydroFire]

"Fuck xbone ps4 FTW" gives no explanation at all to why the xbox one sucks.
Why does it? It's fixed all the DRM that was actually going to be good. Like steam.

Microsoft don't know how to treat consumers, so they have rammed anti consumer DRM up all in it. No backwards compatibility, Kinect spies on you, you need to pay to play online and it is $100 more then the PS4.
If you like games get a PC, you will be able to mod the games, expand the PC and play games decades old, how's that for backwards compatibility! On top of the GOG, steam and other online distributors are amazing.

1: the kinect doesn't spy on you it keeps the data stored on the xbox and not on any servers. Know what spy's on you? Your iPhone, computer and your get speed on everytime you go out in public where there are security cameras.

2: all this DRM and "Microsoft not being nice to you " it won't matter at all once release

 

[HydroFire]

And also a unnoticeable lack of hardware in the xbox one get made up for by voice commands and the kinect.

Um... PS4 does voice commands too - for only $60 more (not $100) with a better base system to boot.

http://www.escapistmagazine.com/news/view/127373-PlayStation-Camera-Gives-PS4-Voice-Command-Capabilities
http://www.forbes.com/sites/insertcoin/2013/09/01/dont-worry-you-can-yell-at-your-ps4-if-you-want-to/
http://www.wired.co.uk/news/archive/2013-09/03/ps4-camera

BTW - affect - not effect.

Yes but the ps eye's voice commands will be nowhere near as accurate as the kinect's why do you think they are shipping the kinect with the xbox? -_-

And you know this because you've obviously used both of them already, right?
Weird, the only person spouting misinformation due to excessive brand loyalty around here, is you.

Yeah, ever heard of pax?

There were no Xbox Ones or PS4a at PAX, just the glorious PCs of the Masterrace: http://bf4central.com/2013/09/battlefield-4-xbox-one-demo-on-pc/


http://www.geekwire.com/2013/pax-xbox-ps4-face-show-floor-sorta/
so their voice control handling there is pretty moot, since it was actually a PC interpreting both.

No. There were xbox ones and ps4s at pax (Australia) I don't know about America though

Out of curiosity, what voice control features where they demonstrating at PAX? I had only heard they were bringing a selection of games, were they also allowing players to navigate menus, or whatnot? I just asked because you use your example of seeing both as an explanation as to how the Xbox's voice controls are more accurate than PlayStation's. So I'm assuming you got the opportunity to use voice controls for both? Where they game specific, or general navigation?

Kinect was for general navigation and in some kinect able games.
Ps eye was only for in game use.

Also with my experience the kinect was much more accurate than the ps eye. I was pretty disappointed in the The ps eye. The kinect was easily about 6-8 times as accurate
And I am honestly not a fan on the 360 kinect but this new kinect is awesome

 

[SeventhSigil]

And also a unnoticeable lack of hardware in the xbox one get made up for by voice commands and the kinect.

Um... PS4 does voice commands too - for only $60 more (not $100) with a better base system to boot.

http://www.escapistmagazine.com/news/view/127373-PlayStation-Camera-Gives-PS4-Voice-Command-Capabilities
http://www.forbes.com/sites/insertcoin/2013/09/01/dont-worry-you-can-yell-at-your-ps4-if-you-want-to/
http://www.wired.co.uk/news/archive/2013-09/03/ps4-camera

BTW - affect - not effect.

Yes but the ps eye's voice commands will be nowhere near as accurate as the kinect's why do you think they are shipping the kinect with the xbox? -_-

And you know this because you've obviously used both of them already, right?
Weird, the only person spouting misinformation due to excessive brand loyalty around here, is you.

Yeah, ever heard of pax?

There were no Xbox Ones or PS4a at PAX, just the glorious PCs of the Masterrace: http://bf4central.com/2013/09/battlefield-4-xbox-one-demo-on-pc/


http://www.geekwire.com/2013/pax-xbox-ps4-face-show-floor-sorta/
so their voice control handling there is pretty moot, since it was actually a PC interpreting both.

No. There were xbox ones and ps4s at pax (Australia) I don't know about America though

Out of curiosity, what voice control features where they demonstrating at PAX? I had only heard they were bringing a selection of games, were they also allowing players to navigate menus, or whatnot? I just asked because you use your example of seeing both as an explanation as to how the Xbox's voice controls are more accurate than PlayStation's. So I'm assuming you got the opportunity to use voice controls for both? Where they game specific, or general navigation?

Kinect was for general navigation and in some kinect able games.
Ps eye was only for in game use.

Also with my experience the kinect was much more accurate than the ps eye. I was pretty disappointed in the The ps eye. The kinect was easily about 6-8 times as accurate
And I am honestly not a fan on the 360 kinect but this new kinect is awesome

And you say this was at PAX Australia?

 

[Erik Zarkov]

2: all this DRM and "Microsoft not being nice to you " it won't matter at all once release

Well, that right there is another reason to not like the Xbox One.

 

[SeventhSigil]

And also a unnoticeable lack of hardware in the xbox one get made up for by voice commands and the kinect.

Um... PS4 does voice commands too - for only $60 more (not $100) with a better base system to boot.

http://www.escapistmagazine.com/news/view/127373-PlayStation-Camera-Gives-PS4-Voice-Command-Capabilities
http://www.forbes.com/sites/insertcoin/2013/09/01/dont-worry-you-can-yell-at-your-ps4-if-you-want-to/
http://www.wired.co.uk/news/archive/2013-09/03/ps4-camera

BTW - affect - not effect.

Yes but the ps eye's voice commands will be nowhere near as accurate as the kinect's why do you think they are shipping the kinect with the xbox? -_-

And you know this because you've obviously used both of them already, right?
Weird, the only person spouting misinformation due to excessive brand loyalty around here, is you.

Yeah, ever heard of pax?

There were no Xbox Ones or PS4a at PAX, just the glorious PCs of the Masterrace: http://bf4central.com/2013/09/battlefield-4-xbox-one-demo-on-pc/


http://www.geekwire.com/2013/pax-xbox-ps4-face-show-floor-sorta/
so their voice control handling there is pretty moot, since it was actually a PC interpreting both.

No. There were xbox ones and ps4s at pax (Australia) I don't know about America though

Out of curiosity, what voice control features where they demonstrating at PAX? I had only heard they were bringing a selection of games, were they also allowing players to navigate menus, or whatnot? I just asked because you use your example of seeing both as an explanation as to how the Xbox's voice controls are more accurate than PlayStation's. So I'm assuming you got the opportunity to use voice controls for both? Where they game specific, or general navigation?

Kinect was for general navigation and in some kinect able games.
Ps eye was only for in game use.

Also with my experience the kinect was much more accurate than the ps eye. I was pretty disappointed in the The ps eye. The kinect was easily about 6-8 times as accurate
And I am honestly not a fan on the 360 kinect but this new kinect is awesome

Nevermind, you answer to someone that it would be. Would you mind coming up with any corroborative evidence? Even an article stating that either the Kinect or the Xbox One console would be playable at Pax Australia? The reason is I'm done extensive research, and haven't found a single article to outright state that it was available to play at that event. On the contrary, I found several articles stating that its presence consisted of a glass case that was sporadically empty. No mention of either sides cameras being displayed or tested by users.

 

[Caiphus]

The kinect was easily about 6-8 times as accurate

I'm honestly impressed by the level of accuracy with which you can compare two camera inputs.

Like, seriously.

They should just box you up with the Xbone and have you watch people make dancing motions.

And then you give them points and yell an advert at them. Standard operating procedure and all that.

Splendid.

 

[Evil Smurf]

2: all this DRM and "Microsoft not being nice to you " it won't matter at all once release

Do you not like being treated with respect? When I buy a product I like to know I will be treated with dignity and respect.
You might buy a product just out of Fanboyism but I look at the company behind it. Microsoft is bad with consumers, we are consumers, Microsoft is bad with us. Have you not used GFWL? Have you not seen the adverts on the Xbox live dashboard? Far out man.

 

[SeventhSigil]

And also a unnoticeable lack of hardware in the xbox one get made up for by voice commands and the kinect.

Um... PS4 does voice commands too - for only $60 more (not $100) with a better base system to boot.

http://www.escapistmagazine.com/news/view/127373-PlayStation-Camera-Gives-PS4-Voice-Command-Capabilities
http://www.forbes.com/sites/insertcoin/2013/09/01/dont-worry-you-can-yell-at-your-ps4-if-you-want-to/
http://www.wired.co.uk/news/archive/2013-09/03/ps4-camera

BTW - affect - not effect.

Yes but the ps eye's voice commands will be nowhere near as accurate as the kinect's why do you think they are shipping the kinect with the xbox? -_-

And you know this because you've obviously used both of them already, right?
Weird, the only person spouting misinformation due to excessive brand loyalty around here, is you.

Yeah, ever heard of pax?

There were no Xbox Ones or PS4a at PAX, just the glorious PCs of the Masterrace: http://bf4central.com/2013/09/battlefield-4-xbox-one-demo-on-pc/


http://www.geekwire.com/2013/pax-xbox-ps4-face-show-floor-sorta/
so their voice control handling there is pretty moot, since it was actually a PC interpreting both.

No. There were xbox ones and ps4s at pax (Australia) I don't know about America though

Out of curiosity, what voice control features where they demonstrating at PAX? I had only heard they were bringing a selection of games, were they also allowing players to navigate menus, or whatnot? I just asked because you use your example of seeing both as an explanation as to how the Xbox's voice controls are more accurate than PlayStation's. So I'm assuming you got the opportunity to use voice controls for both? Where they game specific, or general navigation?

Kinect was for general navigation and in some kinect able games.
Ps eye was only for in game use.

Also with my experience the kinect was much more accurate than the ps eye. I was pretty disappointed in the The ps eye. The kinect was easily about 6-8 times as accurate
And I am honestly not a fan on the 360 kinect but this new kinect is awesome

And you say this was at PAX Australia?

We've already established that his pants are clearly on fire (3 posts within 2 minutes of each other catching his lie) - though he has oddly decided to sweep this under the rug and continues to operate as if nobody noticed. He operates like my 3 year old son in many ways. Or maybe he's told the lie so often, he's starting to believe it. Either way, we all know that there is no way he played an Xb1 at PAX Australia.

In a way, it's kinda sad to watch his foot slide further down his throat, all for a company that doesn't even respect him as a consumer.

Yeah, I know. I was trying to find some clever way to maneuver him into actually addressing it, enough rope to hang one's self as it were, though that doesn't seem likely to happen. xP At this point I mostly Curious about why he's lying so blatantly. The initial reaction might be Microsoft shill, but frankly anyone working for Microsoft wouldn't make that big and obvious a mistake. Could it literally be a fan who's so attached to the brand, they find it necessary to construct complete fabrications in an effort to garner support?